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The Final Dakar
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Sep 2, 2011, 01:16 PM
 
Haven't heard someone offhandedly say they hadn't and it got me curious.
     
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Sep 2, 2011, 01:19 PM
 
Never seen it. Nor Bambi.
     
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Sep 2, 2011, 01:20 PM
 
Spheric, dropping an air of legitimacy on this thread. Kudos.
     
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Sep 2, 2011, 02:03 PM
 
Yeah, and she's a babe.

     
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Sep 2, 2011, 02:40 PM
 
Yeah, I blame air pollution for all that grey snow.

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Sep 2, 2011, 07:57 PM
 
Recent UK TV show...

Seven Dwarves - Channel 4

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Sep 2, 2011, 07:58 PM
 
Nope, never seen it.
     
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Sep 2, 2011, 11:06 PM
 
A little late to start a Friday thread, no?
     
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Sep 2, 2011, 11:51 PM
 
Seen it, and a bunch of out-takes.

Fully animated out-takes. Hours upon hours of work.

Seeing those was one of the things which convinced me I didn't want to become an animator.

The other was the system is designed such that you spend years and years becoming a great animator as an assistant, and then when you finally get to the next level, you stop doing what you just spent the last ten years learning. You draw keyframes and hand the actual animation off to assistants.

WTF?
     
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Sep 3, 2011, 07:58 AM
 
Animation directors go from the tedium of all the inbetween work to the more creative end of developing the film in the first place. Plus, there are a number of different levels of "assistant" that you don't mention: The assistant draws important parts of the motion between key frames, while "inbetweeners" draw the more tedious three or four frames that get from key frame one and "assistant's important frame" one... Further, with a lot of animation work now done on computers, more animation directors are doing far more of the work because it takes a lot less time-and they are expensive assets.

Chuck Jones loved working in animation, and started as a "cel washer," a person who used solvents to clean the old art off of used cels so they could be reused. (Blasphemy for hard core animation fans, but that's how he started.) Then he did inbetween work, and later assistant work until he showed enough creativity to get Schlesinger to set him up with his own team. He never stopped animating, but he did more and more "writing" and less and less tedious drawing-unless he really wanted to draw more of the cartoon. Perhaps the industry is more structured today, but really good animators can do pretty much what they want with their cartoons.

Another thing about Disney cartoon production that was really well settled by the Snow White production was "character animation." They started putting teams on animating individual characters to get more consistent and smoother character art-particularly since they did a whole lot of rotoscoping for Snow White's movement. Nowadays producers use "character animators," "effects animators," "set and location animators," "machine animators..." etc. to put the right artists on the right parts of the project. These specialists are really essential to the look and feel of each feature.

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Sep 3, 2011, 09:11 AM
 
I've seen enough clips over the years to make me think I've seen it, but I honestly don't know if I have. I don't really remember seeing it as a child, unlike some of the other disney movies (like Fantasia and Song of the South - yes I've actually seen it).
     
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Sep 3, 2011, 10:35 AM
 
I've seen Snow White, many times. And bambi was the first I remember seeing in a theater.
     
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Sep 3, 2011, 06:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Animation directors go from the tedium of all the inbetween work to the more creative end of developing the film in the first place. Plus, there are a number of different levels of "assistant" that you don't mention: The assistant draws important parts of the motion between key frames, while "inbetweeners" draw the more tedious three or four frames that get from key frame one and "assistant's important frame" one... Further, with a lot of animation work now done on computers, more animation directors are doing far more of the work because it takes a lot less time-and they are expensive assets.

Chuck Jones loved working in animation, and started as a "cel washer," a person who used solvents to clean the old art off of used cels so they could be reused. (Blasphemy for hard core animation fans, but that's how he started.) Then he did inbetween work, and later assistant work until he showed enough creativity to get Schlesinger to set him up with his own team. He never stopped animating, but he did more and more "writing" and less and less tedious drawing-unless he really wanted to draw more of the cartoon. Perhaps the industry is more structured today, but really good animators can do pretty much what they want with their cartoons.

Another thing about Disney cartoon production that was really well settled by the Snow White production was "character animation." They started putting teams on animating individual characters to get more consistent and smoother character art-particularly since they did a whole lot of rotoscoping for Snow White's movement. Nowadays producers use "character animators," "effects animators," "set and location animators," "machine animators..." etc. to put the right artists on the right parts of the project. These specialists are really essential to the look and feel of each feature.
Well, I simplified a little. Also, this was 20 years ago, so computer horsepower wasn't what it is now.

Chuck Jones illustrates the problem I'm talking about though. I'm sure he would have done all the animation if the business model could accommodate it. With live action film, if your interest is photography or lighting, even at the pinnacle of the industry you're still more or less doing photography and lighting. Sure, you have assistants, but they're each individually responsible for a whole lot less. An assistant can't point to an entire frame and say "I did that".
     
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Sep 3, 2011, 10:08 PM
 
I prefer Pinocchio.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:47 PM
 
Probably as a little kid? I don't remember if I have or haven't.

I know I saw Fantasia in the theater when it was re-released in 1990, when I was seven.

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Sep 6, 2011, 12:58 PM
 
Assuming I have kids one way, I wonder if they will ever see Snow White.

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Sep 6, 2011, 01:17 PM
 
How does Clutch Cargo's mouth work?


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Sep 6, 2011, 01:22 PM
 
Now seems like a germane moment to point out my joke thread is doing better than subego's serious thread. Finally, someone who makes worse threads than me.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 01:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Finally, someone who makes worse threads than me.
This is bullshit.

I've been making worser threads for years.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 01:53 PM
 
Perhaps in quantity.

And I'm referring only within the Lounge.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 02:13 PM
 
I'll try harder.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 02:26 PM
 
God help us all.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 02:55 PM
 
Unlikely.
     
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Sep 6, 2011, 03:04 PM
 
This thread needs more snow white.

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Sep 6, 2011, 05:38 PM
 
Has anyone seen Snow White... on weed?


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Sep 7, 2011, 01:21 PM
 
I not only seen her, I did her. And her sister too.
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Sep 10, 2011, 06:11 AM
 
I thought this thread was about coke.
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Sep 10, 2011, 10:52 AM
 
Originally Posted by PB2K View Post
I thought this thread was about coke.
If you scroll down, we have that thread too.

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Sep 10, 2011, 11:48 AM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Never seen it. Nor Bambi.
Same here. You can add the following Disney classics:
Snow White
Dumbo
Pinocchio
Alice In Wonderland
Peter Pan
The Jungle Book
Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
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Sep 10, 2011, 01:19 PM
 
I've seen all of those and more. None of the recent ones, but up through Beauty and the Beast and Little Mermaid. I even re-watched 101 Dalmations when the live action film came out (check out who played Jasper, the taller henchman, in the live action film!).

This interest in Disney's animated films isn't entirely because of bringing up a child, either. As stilted and "remagined" as Disney's stories were, they were all very entertaining and well made.

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