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Michaelm8000 · Jul 31, 2002, 11:06 AM

I am a fan of keeping the Aqua buttons.

SwarmyCurve · Jul 31, 2002, 11:09 AM

I believe the buttons on the left side of the preview image are for inactive windows - aqua is still there in the active windows.

sadie · Jul 31, 2002, 11:24 AM

Sounds like you need to produce two versions: not at all aqua, and only slightly aqua.

I repeat: Apple, hire this guy.

Brien · Jul 31, 2002, 11:41 AM

How about the X, + and - being set into the metal and glowing blue on rollover? I'll post a mockup later.

bOOzo · Jul 31, 2002, 11:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sadie:
Sounds like you need to produce two versions: not at all aqua, and only slightly aqua.<hr /></blockquote><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/brushed15.jpg" alt=" - " />

The buttons on the top (one of them) could be for the completely brushed theme (mockup). The aqua buttons is how it looks right now (not a mockup). And on the bottom is the small scrolls.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> If you want to split the porting to Jag duties you could send me a copy of the Extras file and I could start that. <hr /></blockquote>Is Apple finished with the Extras.rsrc file in Jaguar? If they are, you could send it to my so I can look at it and figure out how hard it is to port it.. I rather do the port myself, but you can do a test port of it and show it to me so I can learn from it (and let others try it in 10.2).

Timan · Jul 31, 2002, 12:52 PM

That is AWESOME DONT LET THEM PORT THIS OVER TO XP!!!

dazzla · Jul 31, 2002, 12:54 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timan:
That is AWESOME DONT LET THEM PORT THIS OVER TO XP!!!<hr /></blockquote>Agreed, I know you let KoL port Milk and the first iteration of Brushed, where do you stand on this one?

Just to let you know though, KoL has already been to work at it:

<a href="http://www.alexkelm.com/hosted/kol/tmp/brushed.jpg" target="_blank">KoL's Brushed for Windows XP</a>
<a href="http://www.alexkelm.com/hosted/kol/tmp/brushed1.jpg" target="_blank">Another one</a>

[ 07-31-2002, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: dazzla ]

codywalton · Jul 31, 2002, 01:54 PM

on the window widgets, i prefer the non-aqua ones on the mockup before last. the one's that look like they are indented into the metal instead of buttons on top of the metal. They should be blank, the then show the x - + on rollover.

the aqua buttons look great too. You've done a great job of making them fit into the brushed visual. It's just that I'm tired of aqua, I like alternatives that aren't just derivitaves of it. That's why Izawa's themes kick so much booty.

can we get an ETA on release?

KoL · Jul 31, 2002, 02:02 PM

hehe thanks Timan

I converted to XP 3 of bOOzo themes, Brushed, Milk and Smooth Stripes all with bOOzo permission. Im working with Brushed update for XP but Im not going to release it until MAX give me permission.

MAX know that the only one that is doing ports of his theme its me, and I try to make it look as much as possible to the original OSX theme.

sorry for my English guys and MAX great work on the new Brushed looks GREAT

Mac Guru · Jul 31, 2002, 02:05 PM

I hate to break it to all you "no XP version" people, but there's REALLY no way to have an open, free trade theme community and have it exclusive unless there was a way to have a locked file that is only editable by the author. Until that day when Themes have a sort of "source code" and the theme we get is a compiled "sort" or file, if ever, there will be no way for us to stop the XP'ers. They own macs too and by simply using an app like ThemeShop, they have complete access to all of our widgets etc. to EASILY port to XP. I don't think it's even remotly possible to stop them.

Mac Guru

dazzla · Jul 31, 2002, 02:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:
I hate to break it to all you "no XP version" people, but there's REALLY no way to have an open, free trade theme community and have it exclusive unless there was a way to have a locked file that is only editable by the author. Until that day when Themes have a sort of "source code" and the theme we get is a compiled "sort" or file, if ever, there will be no way for us to stop the XP'ers. They own macs too and by simply using an app like ThemeShop, they have complete access to all of our widgets etc. to EASILY port to XP. I don't think it's even remotly possible to stop them.

Mac Guru<hr /></blockquote>You're right there isn't, but over at Neowin where a lot of mac themes get ported, if you don't have permission, you can't post anything. That's enforced pretty harshly (now), boozo just has to say the word and I'll stop them from posting it.

Anyway, back onto the theme, for the non-aqua widgets, you said pick one or the other, can we not have the square and the embedded metal round ones as "Blue" and "Graphite" in the General properties?

Timan · Jul 31, 2002, 02:22 PM

kol, ur screenie over at neowin is awesome with ur current process of the theme just from mock ups too

bOOzo · Jul 31, 2002, 03:10 PM

I DO NOT want this theme ported to XP. People like kol makes me want to keep all my themes to myself, he is such an *ss! They've done it once again, exactly what I didn't want to happen.. And why does he port the theme BEFORE he asks??

KoL · Jul 31, 2002, 03:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
I DO NOT want this theme ported to XP. People like kol makes me want to keep all my themes to myself, he is such an *ss! They've done it once again, exactly what I didn't want to happen.. And why does he port the theme BEFORE he asks??<hr /></blockquote>take it easy man
Im doing this for personal use only, Im the only one that have the theme. I wont release the theme. If I have your permission I'll release it if not I'll respect your decision

dazzla · Jul 31, 2002, 03:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
I DO NOT want this theme ported to XP. People like kol makes me want to keep all my themes to myself, he is such an *ss! They've done it once again, exactly what I didn't want to happen.. And why does he port the theme BEFORE he asks??<hr /></blockquote>Grab me on MSN when you can b00zo, I'm a mod at neowin and if you don't want it released for XP, just tell me. I've sent you a private message with my MSN details.

Still looking forward to this amazing theme

RGB · Jul 31, 2002, 03:54 PM

I can't wait for this theme to hold me over till Jaguar...

but I just tried your Jaguar Aqua, Smooth Stripes, and Milk themes with Duality 3.1 and all were found to be incompatible with my 10.1.5 system. Any help?

SwarmyCurve · Jul 31, 2002, 04:19 PM

I have had many problems in the past with installing Max's themes with Duality.
In fact, the reason I joined this message board was to ask Milk-installation questions!

What I found to work is using Metamorph X to install one of his themes. After that point, Duality will fully swich theme files again. Some people dont like using Metamorph X, just so you know. Once a theme is chosen from Metamorph, it is basically the new default OSX appearance. Because of that, I would use it to install Milk, then install the default Apple aqua, and finally go back to Duality and choose whatever you want. This has worked for me when nothing else would.

RGB · Jul 31, 2002, 04:25 PM

Oh, I'd also like to voice support for the aqua widgets

bOOzo · Jul 31, 2002, 05:39 PM

If you have trouble switching, try using the latest Duality version:
<a href="http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/DualityInstaller.dmg.gz" target="_blank">http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/DualityInstaller.dmg.gz</a>

I would also like to rewrite the .themes into .dlta but I'm waiting for the catalyst final.

[ 07-31-2002, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: bOOzo ]

RGB · Jul 31, 2002, 05:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
If you have trouble switching, try using the latest Duality version:
<a href="http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/DualityInstaller.dmg.gz" target="_blank">http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/DualityInstaller.dmg.gz</a>

I would also like to rewrite the .themes into .dlta but I'm waiting for the catalyst final.<hr /></blockquote>What version of Duality is that? I downloaded my copy on Monday.

jdbon · Jul 31, 2002, 09:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
 <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/brushed14.jpg" alt=" - " />

Ok, two suggestions for title bar widgets and a mockup of the progressbars I'm going to use. Do you like the title bar widgets or should they be something completely different?<hr /></blockquote>I agree that there should be two versions: 1 with the Aqua buttons so it blends in with the iApps, and another metallic version. I like the lower left hand version, however I think you should remove the circles and just have the signs + - x in black for the widgets. When pressed they could could show that really nice blue shadow. Another suggestion would be to keep the same buttons but make them chrome like the iMac/iPod.

wr11 · Jul 31, 2002, 10:43 PM

I actually want this theme ported to XP.

I know, I know. I have recently become a PC/MAC technician, and now sadly have a P4....of course, its just my DVD player, completely headless and controlled from my iMac.
Being a Mac user and a lover of all things good-looking I bought a brushed aluminum case for my PC...and well the brushed theme is just so suited to it.

On that note I cant wait for my Jaguar to come in the mail, ahhh smoother PC integration over my 100baseT switched network, I can then use the PC as a backup too. My $1600.00 DVD/backup device.

..and to finnish off, I also respect the wishes of the author to not let it go to the dark side...

mrtew · Jul 31, 2002, 11:30 PM

Until a couple of weeks ago I would have said don't let the Windoze users have your cool themes too! That was until I became one myself. Not by choice of course, but that is what I have to use at work now... and believe me there is no choice. I fought it all the way. Windows sucks more that I ever heard here. Every little thing is a PAIN IN THE ARSE and my life has become a living hell. The one thing that could make it a little better would be to use a theme like this that would at least let me look at something pleasing while I suffer. I use WindowNT though and I'm not sure I could even install it since I don't have admin priv. but just recognize that not all Windows users are Windows users by choice, that are trying to rip off the Mac. Some of us are Mac users that should be pitied.

zazou · Aug 1, 2002, 01:51 AM

Aqua Buttons, but the Ice color like QT6 or IT3 buttons. It is as close to fusion as it gets.

Amazing

Please say it works with 10.2

[ 08-01-2002, 01:55 AM: Message edited by: zazou ]

bOOzo · Aug 1, 2002, 04:11 AM

I'm sorry, but I still DO NOT want it ported to windows. I just hated it when I gave the people at Neowin permission to port milk, because then they where all over it and there were no way to insure that it looked the way I wanted and I'm not pleased with the result. SO no windows port, end of discussion..

Anyway.. This is how the metallic buttons look right now (not a mockup):

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/brushed16.jpg" alt=" - " />

Tell me what you think. This is the last thing before I release a preview.

dazzla · Aug 1, 2002, 04:20 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
I'm sorry, but I still DO NOT want it ported to windows. I just hated it when I gave the people at Neowin permission to port milk, because then they where all over it and there were no way to insure that it looked the way I wanted and I'm not pleased with the result. SO no windows port, end of discussion..

Anyway.. This is how the metallic buttons look right now (not a mockup):

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/brushed16.jpg" alt=" - " />

Tell me what you think. This is the last thing before I release a preview.<hr /></blockquote>Looking sweet, but is there a way to make the blue more subtle, perhaps the same shade as your previous screenshot:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/brushed12.jpg" alt=" - " />

The Graphite section.

[ 08-01-2002, 04:24 AM: Message edited by: dazzla ]

Necrocool · Aug 1, 2002, 04:23 AM

bOOzo, can you make the x - + signs not 100% black? for example, 80%?

bOOzo · Aug 1, 2002, 04:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Necrocool:
bOOzo, can you make the x - + signs not 100% black? for example, 80%?<hr /></blockquote>They are 75% black already..

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Looking sweet, but is there a way to make the blue more subtle, perhaps the same shade as your previous screenshot:
<hr /></blockquote>If you use graphite it will be more subtle.

dazzla · Aug 1, 2002, 07:36 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> Looking sweet, but is there a way to make the blue more subtle, perhaps the same shade as your previous screenshot:
<hr /></blockquote>If you use graphite it will be more subtle.<hr /></blockquote>

Sweet!

RGB · Aug 1, 2002, 09:15 AM

Please release it with the Aqua buttons you showed earlier in the thread!

codywalton · Aug 1, 2002, 09:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
I'm sorry, but I still DO NOT want it ported to windows. I just hated it when I gave the people at Neowin permission to port milk, because then they where all over it and there were no way to insure that it looked the way I wanted and I'm not pleased with the result. SO no windows port, end of discussion..

Anyway.. This is how the metallic buttons look right now (not a mockup):

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/brushed16.jpg" alt=" - " />

Tell me what you think. This is the last thing before I release a preview.<hr /></blockquote>Those are PERFECT! ...release it now.

bOOzo · Aug 1, 2002, 10:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Those are PERFECT! ...release it now.<hr /></blockquote>Ok! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I finished this a couple of hours ago, and it took me the whole day to get it uploaded some where... iTools was messing with me, said it would take 2 hours for 4 mb..! Anyway, I think I have it uploaded now.

<a href="http://hem.netlink.se/~sfp6297/brushedcollection1.6.dmg" target="_blank">Download here (4,1 MB) - Choose "save as..."</a>

The theme include 3 versions, one with everything brushed, one with aqua widgets and one with all aqua buttons.

Oh, and I'd like any last minute opinions before I release the final.

And I must say thank you to all of you here for your great suggestions on this theme, you made it what it is and I appreciate it.

[ 08-01-2002, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: bOOzo ]

mpmchugh · 06:19 PM

Looks great. The only thing I've noticed is that the column resize widgets didn't change. I used the latest Duality to switch themes:

FinderScreenSnapz001.jpg

Also, has anyone released a utility or a hack to change the background color of column and list views? It's be nice to be able to make them gray at least.

Thanks,
Michael

codywalton · Aug 1, 2002, 11:44 AM

ditto on the resize widgets and column backgrounds....looking good

i also had to download the new Duality to use it. When did they start charging for Duality? (not that I mind that much, I just still thought it was free)

bOOzo · Aug 1, 2002, 12:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> The only thing I've noticed is that the column resize widgets didn't change. <hr /></blockquote>I noticed the same thing, I thought it was only happening on my machine though.. I don't know why it won't switch..

Timan · Aug 1, 2002, 01:20 PM

Damn u bOOzO now u made me get rid of Jaguar's AQUA!! AH ur theme is sooo purdy! awesome work!

bOOzo · Aug 1, 2002, 02:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timan:
Damn u bOOzO now u made me get rid of Jaguar's AQUA!! AH ur theme is sooo purdy! awesome work!<hr /></blockquote>Thanks

I figured out what was wrong with the resize handles, the path was misspelled (missing an .app from Finder.app). This will be fixed in the final release which is due tomorrow.

SwarmyCurve · Aug 1, 2002, 03:40 PM

Amazing work once again. I really didnt think Milk could be topped... but this Brushed variation is so complete and finally makes the iApps look consistant with the rest of the system.
If you still didnt get .mac, I bet people in the macnn forums could raise $50 for you.

dazzla · Aug 1, 2002, 04:28 PM

Beautiful. My personal favorite is the Aqua Graphite embedded into the metal with the alternative brushed metal menu. Perfection.

Well, almost, 99.999% there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> The graphite zoom button on the mousedown state turns into a minimise mousedown.

Still, you've created my all time favourite theme. Thanks

translator · Aug 1, 2002, 04:30 PM

Bellissimo!

Thanks for the consistently most usable themes out there.

I was however, unable to change the apple menu icon as per your instructions. Tried 3 times. Hm.

Great work!

translator

kmkkid · Aug 1, 2002, 05:55 PM

hm no offense boozo, but it sounds as if you're being the ass.... For one thing, Brushed is Apples, not yours. You have only modified what was already there. So if people want to port it to XP (which BTW I DESPISE Mac themes on XP, cause XP ISNT a DAMNED MAC!) they can. If you want to be arrogant though, go ahead, but I'm sure windows users can be just as arrogant and deny permission to port their themes to your platform. And dont say that you dont want XP themes, or you wouldnt have ported luna... and ChsoenOS wouldnt be on the porting board (by others), so to speak. I'm sure MS isnt knocking on your door crying about how you "ripped" their theme. This is just plain silly, to say people can't port a theme just because of the platform? Like how old are you exactly? Your themes are brilliant, and very nice, but your attitude on porting sucks, which reflects badly on your artwork

This isnt pointed directly at you boozo, but to all the people who share your attitude towards porting aswell.

Anyways sorry if I sound harsh, but honestly, themes should be experienced by as many people as possible, why wouldnt you want people praising your work on another platform aswell?

I'm rambling now..

Chris

mrtew · Aug 1, 2002, 07:06 PM

I think it would be nice to have it on Windoze too. But if he doesn't want people copying his themes, he can say so. It's not like he's filing a lawsuit or something.

Boozo, the themes look GREAT! Good job! I just wish you could have resisted putting in XPblue menu highlights. Oh well... time to break out the sprocket! Thanks for the great theme!

Gatorzx2 · Aug 1, 2002, 09:05 PM

Just downloaded the update, this is quite a superb theme. I really dig the new widgets. Kudos on a excellent design!

LeeG · Aug 1, 2002, 09:22 PM

This is the first theme I have changed from Pez for - I'll probably go back and forth, but this theme is incredible. The blue highlighting is perfect. It makes the iApps so much more appropriate and everything looks great - anyone else think proteus looks sweet?

Lee

Synotic · Aug 2, 2002, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by kmkkid
hm no offense boozo, but it sounds as if you're being the ass.... For one thing, Brushed is Apples, not yours. You have only modified what was already there. So if people want to port it to XP (which BTW I DESPISE Mac themes on XP, cause XP ISNT a DAMNED MAC!) they can. If you want to be arrogant though, go ahead, but I'm sure windows users can be just as arrogant and deny permission to port their themes to your platform. And dont say that you dont want XP themes, or you wouldnt have ported luna... and ChsoenOS wouldnt be on the porting board (by others), so to speak. I'm sure MS isnt knocking on your door crying about how you "ripped" their theme. This is just plain silly, to say people can't port a theme just because of the platform? Like how old are you exactly? Your themes are brilliant, and very nice, but your attitude on porting sucks, which reflects badly on your artwork

This isnt pointed directly at you boozo, but to all the people who share your attitude towards porting aswell.

Anyways sorry if I sound harsh, but honestly, themes should be experienced by as many people as possible, why wouldnt you want people praising your work on another platform aswell?

I'm rambling now..

Chris

You honestly think that anyone can take -his- interpretation of a theme? Anyone on XP is free to take Apple's interpretation of the theme, this is his, you can't take it, the person who had ported understood that. Simple as that. He's not Microsoft.

mrtew · Aug 2, 2002, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Synotic
You honestly think that anyone can take -his- interpretation of a theme? Anyone on XP is free to take Apple's interpretation of the theme, this is his, you can't take it, the person who had ported understood that. Simple as that. He's not Microsoft.

You don't really think that "anyone on XP is free to take Apple's interpretation of the theme" do you? That's REALLY copywrite infringement!

starfleetX · Aug 4, 2002, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by bOOzo:
Will do. Unfortunately Jaguar is released almost the same time as I go back to school, so it might take a while.

Actually, i've already converted it to work with Jaguar, and added the "forward" button to the Finder. Don't worry, this version is STRICTLY FOR PERSONAL USE and I will not distribute it AT ALL. The conversion was rather simple, though a lot of the patterns had to be redone to draw properly and some IDs were changed. Once Jaguar is officially released, I'm sure you won't have much trouble converting it all. I did it all in just about an hour.

swiz · Aug 4, 2002, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by starfleetX:
Actually, i've already converted it to work with Jaguar, and added the "forward" button to the Finder. Don't worry, this version is STRICTLY FOR PERSONAL USE and I will not distribute it AT ALL. The conversion was rather simple, though a lot of the patterns had to be redone to draw properly and some IDs were changed. Once Jaguar is officially released, I'm sure you won't have much trouble converting it all. I did it all in just about an hour.

StarfleetX, was it just a matter of opening it with Resorcerer and copying all the PXMs resources and pasting into the Jag extras file or have the id's been changed in Jag too? If they have, then this is the first time they have been since the PB I think. If they have not, then any current theme could be ported to Jag in about 10 seconds.

starfleetX · Aug 4, 2002, 12:12 PM

Most of the resources are the same IDs (all of the pxm#s are the same), but several of the PPATs are different. Also, I had to fix the size on the Util Window Title resources because I was getting HUGE title bars sized up to 128 pixels. There may be other bugs I haven't found yet.

Several of the PPATs also had to be redone by hand because Aqua was choking on the large 128x128 size and the large number of colors.

RGB · Aug 4, 2002, 01:40 PM

This new Brushed theme is the first theme I have actually run since OS 8, as I'm actually a big fan of Aqua. It's a well done change from the norm for me, but I'm sure I'll go back to Aqua when I get Jaguar. Thanks for the great theme, Max!