[Saddam H.]

They suppress freedom of the press with some lame 'protecting the public' excuse.

What's next for that frozen wasteland of socialism--book burnings, jailing political 'dissidents', and banning reporting on government scandals and corruption, all in the name of protecting the public and jury system?

Pathetic excuse is what it is.

[Wiskedjak]

It's a good thing the US doesn't control it's media
http://www.cbc.ca/news/iraq/canada/c...man030407.html

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's a good thing the US doesn't control it's media
http://www.cbc.ca/news/iraq/canada/c...man030407.html

Interesting how you flat-out ignore the topic at hand by tossing out some accusation against the US media.

Canada still censors and oppresses, whether you're in denial or not.

[eklipse]

So does every other country in the world.

Welcome to Earth.

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by eklipse:
So does every other country in the world.

Welcome to Earth.

So nice of you to excuse their repression and tyranny against freedom by saying 'everyone else does it.' That's top-notch intellectualism and independence there.

If every country in the world was sending their Muslims off of bridges, would you excuse that too? (If they were Jews, you probably wouldn't mind.)

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's a good thing the US doesn't control it's media
http://www.cbc.ca/news/iraq/canada/c...man030407.html

There's a big difference between censorship of battlefield reporting that ensures the protection of troop position/movement information, and the censorship of reporting on the local, mass serial murders of 31 (and counting) women.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
So nice of you to excuse their repression and tyranny against freedom by saying 'everyone else does it.' That's top-notch intellectualism and independence there.

I didn't excuse anything. If you wanted to discuss censorship and repression in general you could have started a less specifically-titled thread and omitted your customary mouth-foaming.

If every country in the world was sending their Muslims off of bridges, would you excuse that too? (If they were Jews, you probably wouldn't mind.)

If I figure out what the hell you're ranting about I might reply further. Don't hold your breath on that one.

[macvillage.net]

The US censors more than most countries.

In most countries, you see dead bodies on the news. You see (and appreciate) what our soldiers are doing. You see an actual war.


In the US, by law the only thing we are shown are press release video. Shots of soldiers posing for the camera's.

That's not censorship.

[FeLiZeCaT]

I find difficult to respond, as a canadian, yes, but especially as a human being, to polemicists who deform voluntarily information.

First of all, Fox News cannot be considered an objective News agency.

Second of all, journalism is never objective: reporters work very hard to be objective, but objectivity does not exist.

Third, that there is censorship in such a situation, I can only agree with. See, Canada is not accustomed to such brutal criminal cases. We rarely have serial muder cases, coparatively to the US. One might start a stand off of statistics and proportion and things might appear differently than what I write here. Nevertheless, the rarity of such events is bond to create a lot of psychological trauma and among the ways to react to such trauma, a lot of acting out may occur that lead to absolutely nothing.

In this case, I rather trust our police, and governmental system. Up to a point, I feel that the media may also auto-censor themselves as well.
The other thing to know about this case is that it has been known for quite a while already, and we saw the counting of bodies on an almost daily basis already.

Personally, I do not need gruesome details to make my day. I abhorre the insistance of the media to provide images I do not need to understand. Once the blood has been poured, one can understand what it means.

One of the worst mistakes ever done by the media was the repetitive presentation of traumatic events on the premise of the right to inform. The traumatization that was created for a lot of people may very well have fed many argumentations for war and reveange, and eclipsed any reasoning (not rationalizations mind you!) over an investigation of the facts and may very well have been a factor into facilitating the invasion of Iraq the way it has happened.

A purpose was filled, but not the one announced.

And I agree with spacefreak; details about combat maneuvering PRIOR to an attack should not be publicized.

Which is totally different than investigations over decision process leading to war. As much as I want to trust our leaders to do the right things, I want to be given reasons to trust them.

I do not trust most leaders in general. I will only trust a public consensus, which goes against the elitism we create to get ourselves rid of our responsibilities, and have people cash in at the detriment of others.

Concerning other comments here in this thread by Saddam H., I consider these totally irrelevant, provocative with the sole purpose of satisfying some oppression needs.

I despise that type of behavior because it is essentially what creates situations like the one leading to the events of 9/11.

Or it that some people are so bored with their life that they have to trigger pain and sorrow for the cheer pleasure of having some power?

[Spliffdaddy]

OMG

you sound like an apologist for Canada - while you criticize the US for doing the very same thing.

It took you a thousand words and you still weren't able to justify it.

[FeLiZeCaT]

Spliffdaddy,

don't waste your time on me. I will not debate with you or the other I named in my post on that topic.

period.

[Spliffdaddy]

That hit pretty close to home, I see.

*target acquired*

[Umbrella]

So what's the story? Why did Saddam get banned? I like this guy and his clever screen names, but I wonder why he keeps getting banned like Cash.

[FeLiZeCaT]

Quote from Spliffdaddy:

That hit pretty close to home, I see.

*target acquired*

_________________________

It is incredible how good you are at shooting yourself in the leg and claim victory...

How sad....

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
Interesting how you flat-out ignore the topic at hand by tossing out some accusation against the US media.

Canada still censors and oppresses, whether you're in denial or not.

If the US is going to be the yardstick by which everyone else is measured, we need to know where it stands on the censorship of it's media relative to those which you accuse of being "frozen wastelands of socialism--book burnings, jailing political 'dissidents', and banning reporting on government scandals and corruption, all in the name of protecting the public and jury system."

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
That hit pretty close to home, I see.

*target acquired*

slightly off topic, but in this lounge, choosing not to debate with certain individuals may have more to do with distaste with the style the individuals choose to make their arguments rather than the superiority or lack thereof of their arguments.

Although I think in the past I've been guilty as well of making the assumptiont that a refusal to debate means a victory, I"ve since learned it can also simply mean a personality conflict.

[FeLiZeCaT]

When I said the "other", I definitely meant Saddam H. Hope I make myself clear.

Otherwise, the topic is open for discussion (I have no power over that nor do I want any) but I will certainly chose the people I will debate with by giving my 2 cents when I will see it fit.

I feel the need to debate "� l'�conome" and try to limit my posting to the essential and useful. I do have a large reservoir of insults taken from many languages, but I do not see it fit for discussion, especially when the goal is to provoke behaviors that are actually destructive.

Call that auto-censorship from my part, which is not always successful, to my great shame.

There is media censorship all around and Canada is certainly not the place exempt of it.

There are a lot of people who think that Canada is the "best" in the world. Personally, I am not sure it means anything, after a few years with First Nations and walking the streets of our most "successful" cities.

Of course, it is hardly publicized, and I could speak volume on the topic, especially regarding our history and some of our policies to ensure our sovereignty..

But Canada is not a country that can "project power" while the US can (and acted accordingly). Therefore, all comparisons triggers a lot of fear and an accentuation from us, "foreigners", of prejudice towards the US, fair or not!

Yet beside the power, were certainly not so different.

The topic of that thread is ridiculous in its regionality compared to the scale of consequences that the actual US government as triggered.

If you want to talk about Canada and its problems, there are far more juicier topics available than this sorry state of affair presented in this thread.

But I am much more scared of the power (whether it is militarily, economically or pollution) in the US and its projectability to any place on this planet than media censorship in Canada.

I believe there are many bored people at Fox News to bother with that story anyway.

[Face Ache]

Click here for a fair and balanced report by Fox News' Dan Springer.

Aaaahahaha! Those guys crack me up.

Australia does the same thing with high-profile crimes. It's not about censorship per se, but about ensuring the judicial system doesn't get screwed by media coverage (see: OJ Simpson). Wouldn't want to go tainting potential jurors now, would we?

[FeLiZeCaT]

I find amazing that they have to mention that it will be "fair and balanced".


pffff...

[dtriska]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Aaaahahaha! Those guys crack me up.

You beat me to it.

This is hilarious. I swear, those that actually listen to Fox News are the most stupid creatures on Earth.

[Dudaev's Corpse]

Originally posted by Umbrella:
So what's the story? Why did Saddam get banned? I like this guy and his clever screen names, but I wonder why he keeps getting banned like Cash.

I was bad. I'll be better.

[pimephalis]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Australia does the same thing with high-profile crimes. It's not about censorship per se, but about ensuring the judicial system doesn't get screwed by media coverage (see: OJ Simpson). Wouldn't want to go tainting potential jurors now, would we?

Keep in mind that the same decision was applied in the Bernardo/Homolka case over a decade ago. Once the trial was finished, we had more gruesome information than we knew what to do with.

It's about ensuring a fair and balanced trial, you know.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Aaaahahaha! Those guys crack me up.

Australia does the same thing with high-profile crimes. It's not about censorship per se, but about ensuring the judicial system doesn't get screwed by media coverage (see: OJ Simpson). Wouldn't want to go tainting potential jurors now, would we?

for some reason i think that canada, australia and new zealand may be the sanest countries on the planet...which means there is hope.

funny thing i knew all about it and i read it in the papers and on the news. i think fox is a little off the mark.

[Monique]

The media are like the people they do not dare make waves or use strong language.

But it is funny they will get angry at small things like not having the right phone numbers from an operator but will little to remedy big things. Canadians are violent but do not talk about it, they are racist but do not talk about it, they backstab people but do not talk about it. They prefer to put people down and the media will politly talk about issues they will never confront their own just the so called evil Americans (even if they are not).

It is also right about the workplace.

[FeLiZeCaT]

Monique,

It may be your experience but I do not believe that all Canadians are like that. And I do not believe that all Americans, or all French or all human beings are like that either.

A human being is a human being where ever he/she is on this planet. Canadian or not.