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NeoMac · Jul 10, 2002, 03:59 PM

No new PowerMac will be announced at MWNY for Steve's safety.

It's simple. The new PowerMacs will be like the Xserve's. 133Mhz FSB to the CPU, but DDR memory bus. In other words, a half-assed, slow, crippled machine that's way out of date. So if Steve announces these at MWNY the audience will probably form a lynch mob and they'll just string him up by the nads from the light fixtures.

Hence, PowerMacs will be announced later on in the relative safety of one of those Apple PR events.

[ 07-10-2002, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: NeoMac ]

hmr · Jul 10, 2002, 04:19 PM

Hehe, I believe you're right <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But what on earth is FSB

Guy Incognito · Jul 10, 2002, 04:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hmr:
Hehe, I believe you're right <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But what on earth is FSB<hr /></blockquote>Front-Side Bus...you know, where the 'uncool' kids sit.

[ 07-10-2002, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

scottiB · Jul 10, 2002, 04:47 PM

NeoMac's sig:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />X-Files Series Finale Sucks Ass FOREVER<hr /></blockquote>I heard that.

On topic: Nope, I bet it'll be the real thing at 166/333 even.

P · Jul 10, 2002, 06:17 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hmr:
Hehe, I believe you're right <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But what on earth is FSB<hr /></blockquote>Communication between CPU and RAM.

benh57 · Jul 10, 2002, 06:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NeoMac:
No new PowerMac will be announced at MWNY for Steve's safety.

It's simple. The new PowerMacs will be like the Xserve's. 133Mhz FSB to the CPU, but DDR memory bus. In other words, a half-assed, slow, crippled machine that's way out of date. So if Steve announces these at MWNY the audience will probably form a lynch mob and they'll just string him up by the nads from the light fixtures.

<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps you need to look at those XServe benchmarks again.

XServe is _FAST_. Faster than comparable dell systems.

Peder Rice · Jul 10, 2002, 08:08 PM

But, processor speed was not increased an ounce with the XServe. The only difference was in I/O speed, where DDR helped other aspects of the computer.

CIA · Jul 10, 2002, 08:48 PM

I would'nt be suprised if we saw the same powermacs with identical specs released, just using the motherboard style of the Xserve.
Then a speed bump in Aug

Peabo · Jul 10, 2002, 09:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CIA:
I would'nt be suprised if we saw the same powermacs with identical specs released, just using the motherboard style of the Xserve.
Then a speed bump in Aug<hr /></blockquote>If apple did that, they'd upset a lot of people.

[ 07-10-2002, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: z0ne81 ]

ironknee · Jul 10, 2002, 09:32 PM

I agree...no power macs cause it would take away from Xserve as fastest Mac...

But so what...? they still are kick ass fast

jay999 · Jul 11, 2002, 01:17 PM

I think your wrong. I think they will show speed bumped PM's w/ ddr at the show as well as a 3rd option for the XServe(maybe dual 1.2), 17" iMac, and Jaguar. The last PM upgrade was end of January and I fully expect the next upgrade to be available end July early august w/ jaguar. You will be able to place your order at the show.

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raferx · Jul 11, 2002, 07:46 PM

New Pm's at MWNY for sure, faster mobo, and faster cpu's. Topping out around DP 1.4 GHz.
A 17" iMac seems unlikely, rather, higher resolution. What about new LCD's for the Pm's? 17, 19, 22"???
Wide screen aspect ratio?

spaz2 · Jul 12, 2002, 01:57 AM

The cpu upgrades are pushing into the same areana as the existing PMacs (ie the PLogix @ 1000, the Sonnet @ 800-1000). I'd say we will see some spd bump action in cpu clock spd. In additon, maybe a new logic bd that will push some form of quad pump into the mac...

thirsty · Jul 12, 2002, 04:47 AM

Today i visited my Local Apple Reseller, to get some DVD-R Discs.
While there I got talking about Macworld and what he thought we might see, as usual there in the dark as well.

BUT what interested me was, He said there was no current inventory of any POWERMAC model available from Apple Australia, and that it would be some weeks before stock was available. he also stated that iMac stock was available and shipped almost immediatley.

So with no new Powermacs available here in OZ accept for current stock held by resellers, my belief is we will see something new at Macworld NY. Now what we get is anybodys guess! There is a great deal of speculation about the new Powermacs what they will and won't have, but Apple can't please everybody. Remember what ever they relaese will always be better than PC

lastly " It's not how fast you get there, but how good you look getting there"

Dan Szwarc · Jul 12, 2002, 07:23 AM

Hmmm. Xserve is very important in that it be fast, but what would happen to its position is faster PMs come out? I doubt Appple is planning a speed bump to Xserve this soon (August), but anything is possible. I'm sure Apple would love to market a 1.4-1.6GHz Xserve or PM.

DNA man · Jul 12, 2002, 12:36 PM

What ever happens, Apple has to speed bump the current PM range quite soon, July or August, we will have to see.

I'm not sure if this is at all a clue but if you look at the following site
<a href="http://www.apple.com/games/macworld/ny02/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/games/macworld/ny02/</a>

it mentions " The newest iMacs and Power Macs will be on hand, with amazing graphics and rich sound provided by NVIDIA GeForce4 video cards and Harman Kardon speakers � both sure to add to your heart-pounding gaming experience. "

The question is, how new is their newest hardware? Less than 24hrs or something rolled out months ago. I hope newest is a matter of hours and not months.

Mark T. · Jul 12, 2002, 12:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DNA man:


it mentions " The newest iMacs and Power Macs will be on hand, with amazing graphics and rich sound provided by NVIDIA GeForce4 video cards and Harman Kardon speakers � both sure to add to your heart-pounding gaming experience. "<hr /></blockquote>DNA man,

As far as I'm concerned, this tells me that there will be new powermacs at MWNY. Good find.

- Mark

Mister T · Jul 12, 2002, 02:15 PM

where are you guys getting 1.4 from?!!!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Apple upgrades the processor at about 100-133 for tha last few years

500>533>600>667>733>800>867>9 33>1000

i could be wrong about specific numbers above, but they just don't jump 400 mhz...thats unheard of

jay999 · Jul 12, 2002, 02:32 PM

The higher the Mhz the more likely the higher the speedbump. A jump from 100 Mhz to 200 Mhz is a big 100% gain where as 1Ghz to 1.4 Ghz is only a 40% gain. I dont see 400Mhz as being that big of a jump.

Mister T · Jul 12, 2002, 03:02 PM

i would definately like to see that happen, but their past speed bumps don't indicate it happening.

for marketing reasons i can see why they would want to stop at a even dual 1ghz for their top end machine once they achieved it.

i hope you're right. it would be cool to have dual 1.4 machines. just asking...why don't they make every Powermac a dual? I know chips are $$$ but a single 1.2 ghz chip is probably comparable to 2 old discounted 800Mhz chips right? Their product line would be easier as they introduce 1 new model every few Macworlds and drop the price of their existing inventory.

low end:
dual 800 mhz

mid:
dual 1000 mhz

super:
dual _____

just like they did for OSX, once they put it out...people started making programs for it. As i understand it, a few Design apps (PS7, Final Cut and etc) and OSX itself takes advantage of altivec and dual processors.

If they made all PowerMacs dual, then the universal answer to "but PCs have higher MHZ" would be "Macs have dual processors". A lot of uninformed people look at Mhz alone, Apple can play up and make them look at processor quantity the same way. Then Intel would release a "processor myth" like Apple has it's "Mhz Myth"...haha

jparisi · Jul 12, 2002, 03:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by thirsty:
Remember what ever they relaese will always be better than PC
<hr /></blockquote>hell yea! I am already dreading everyone bitching about what is and is not released. if you dont like it, then dude, you need aa dell!

Jul 12, 2002, 03:16 PM

Yeah, if Apple would like to lose money on their computers, that would indeed be a possibility.

johnpaul191 · Jul 12, 2002, 03:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mister T:
where are you guys getting 1.4 from?!!!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Apple upgrades the processor at about 100-133 for tha last few years

500>533>600>667>733>800>867>9 33>1000

i could be wrong about specific numbers above, but they just don't jump 400 mhz...thats unheard of<hr /></blockquote>it would make sense that the amount of jumps increase as the numbers we deal with get bigger, but unless some new chip manufacturing style is used then you have to think of the percentage jump. 1,000 to 1,400 is a significant jump. something like 1,200 is even pretty big, but seems reasonable. the sites that claim to have moto sources all say there arre a lot of 1,400 G4 chips, but not nearly enough to ship a dual processor machine in any kind of volume. something almost doesnt seem right (marketing wise) to have a 1,400 mghz machine then above it a 2 x 1,200mghz machine. another thing to think about is xserve. will Apple always keep one "faster" than the other? or will one always leapfrog the other? if one is faster, which? xserve JUST started to ship, so they might not want to outpace it with a faster desktop machine. that is assuming the next revision of the G4 desktop gets a faster motherboard. i would really hope they speed the tthe desktop motherboard asap. i am curious to see side by side real world speed tests of the xserve vs g4 with same processor(s). the apple site does acknowledge using xserve as a workstation and you can get one set up like a desktop machine (zippy video card and all).

jay999 · Jul 12, 2002, 04:01 PM

I could be wrong but i think we jumped from the 533 to 733 which is a 38% jump. 1Ghz - 1.4 Ghz is in the same percentage. I would however not be surprised if the high end was only 1.3X Ghz.