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Dec 18, 2008, 07:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Hm, interesting, I have never heard of that. Do you have any links about that ?

The only thing I found (in German) was this:



Edit: ok, dug this out:



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looks like it was probably a modern version of the name Hûttler. also did the names of german children come from the mother's side? wait, looks like a lot of inbreeding no?
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Dec 18, 2008, 08:01 PM
 
New Zeeland has the highest concentration of "Hitler" in the world.
     
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Originally Posted by thechidz View Post
wait, looks like a lot of inbreeding no?
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Dec 19, 2008, 07:37 AM
 
It would seem that I am in the minority on this issue, but I really do think people should have the freedom to call themselves whatever they like. If you have someone running around today who has the name ‘Adolf Hitler’, so what? It should be obvious to any intelligent person that he isn’t the historical Führer, and if someone finds the name itself offensive, perhaps the problem lies with them.

There are so many words that dummies all over the world might be offended by. I say, screw them, the whole name phobia thing doesn’t make any sense.

Hell, think about it. Say your family name is ‘Steel’. You move to Russia, and eventually have it changed to ‘Stalin’. Or at least you try to, but those bloody commie bureaucrats won’t let you because your first name happens to be ‘Joseph’. What’s next, the damned State is going to order you to shave your moustache? Or, what about that opera singer, the one who used to sell mobile phones? Whatshisname? Oh yeah, ‘Paul Potts’. Horrid name, innit, sounds just like that ‘Pol Pot’ bastard. Or that dead Beatle who thought he was bigger than the Lawd Himself, ‘John Lenin’, awful, just awful. Or the new US president, that black guy: ‘Barack Hussein Obama’. I mean, really. The Christian name sounds like some crazy Hebrew word, ‘Baruch’ or something, the middle name is exactly the same as that bloke who used to be the president of Iraq, and the surname is almost the same as the first name of that terrorist, Obama Ben Lardman. Come to think of it, I seem to remember the Germans, a few years back, they stopped this Turk from naming his boy ‘Osama Bin Laden’. I mean, why? It’s obviously a real name, millions of people all over the world idolise the man so it’s a power name, what fricking right do those horse-sausage-eating krauts think they have to stop a man who presumably isn’t even allowed to vote in Germany, even though he is paying his taxes just like any good old Fritz and Heinrich, from naming the fruit of his loins as he wishes? Or, getting back to the Führer: Someone told me once that it used to be fashionable in Nazi Germany for parents to name their daughters ‘Aldolfine’ and ‘Hitlerieke’ in honour of the man. Sure, hindsight is always 20/20, and we can all probably agree now that those are Evil Names, and by sweet jeezus, the lord be praised that those wicked nazi whores changed ’em to something natural after the war. But, you know, before the 2nd world war started, old Adolf had a pretty good reputation not only amongst the Germans, but also in the UK and the States. So, why the feck not name your kids after him? I’m sure it seemed like a good idea at the time. What about the good American folks who called their sons George Walker Bush, say in early 2001. They couldn’t have known old Dubya was going to turn out THAT stupid, could they? Now, those poor kids are going to have to live with taunts all their lives, it just ain’t right, is it, boo hoo, goddammit.

What’s in a name? Is your name that good? Are you sure it’s PC? It’s bound to be offensive to someone, have you thought about that?

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Dec 19, 2008, 07:50 AM
 
Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Do you really think that's better, though?

I mean, personally, I think a parent has a right to name their kid whatever the hell they want, even if it's a stupid name. The kid can always change it later if they hate their name, but I think it's a little far-reaching for the government to decide what constitutes "ridiculous" or "not ridiculous" when picking a name for your child.
Yes but that kid can only chage his name at a certain age, after all the damage is done. Most names are accepted you know, it's not like you can only choose from a list of names they deem suitable. But things like Hitler, ESPN, Pilot Inspektor, Moon Unit etc. are out of the question, and for good reason. I'm not a fan of governments dictating what you can and can't do but this is one of the exceptions were I think it's appropriate to protect the children from their idiot parents.

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Dec 19, 2008, 08:00 AM
 
Originally Posted by Goldfinger View Post
Yes but that kid can only chage his name at a certain age, after all the damage is done. Most names are accepted you know, it's not like you can only choose from a list of names they deem suitable. But things like Hitler, ESPN, Pilot Inspektor, Moon Unit etc. are out of the question, and for good reason. I'm not a fan of governments dictating what you can and can't do but this is one of the exceptions were I think it's appropriate to protect the children from their idiot parents.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
     
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Dec 19, 2008, 08:14 AM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
I believe there is at least ONE still remaining.

There's one who lives in Wismar, according to the phone book.

And I'm not sure, but there may be another (a person I knew had a man of that name in a corporate address book).
Weird - you're right!
Last time I checked I couldn't find one in the phone book but now there's this guy in Wismar.
Well...that's quite brave to have a phone book entry with this name!
I'm sure he gets quite a few "funny" sms...
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Dec 19, 2008, 08:21 AM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
In my post, I made it clear which version was the actual spelling, so with that knowledge at your disposal, the version demonstrating the name's correct pronunciation could be deduced.
I don't get it, sorry!
So what you mean is for example that your name is Lah-me-noir but you spell it Laminar!?
Ok, my name is Andreas but I spell it badidea.
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Dec 19, 2008, 11:03 AM
 
Originally Posted by red rocket View Post
It would seem that I am in the minority on this issue, but I really do think people should have the freedom to call themselves whatever they like.
I have no problem with people calling themselves whatever they like.

This, however, is, in a sense, a matter of child abuse.


I also have no problem with people *treating* themselves badly.

I DO have a problem with people treating children badly.

Laws exist - even in your country - to try and prevent adults from inflicting physical harm upon children.

Laws exist in our country to prevent people from inflicting harm upon children by giving them stupid names.
     
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Dec 19, 2008, 11:16 AM
 
Would someone naming their kid using binary be okay?
     
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Dec 19, 2008, 11:31 AM
 
I read a book once upon a time called, I believe, "The Last Hitlers" (or Last of the Hitlers, I don't quite recall) which stated that Hitler's nephew William fought in the the U.S. Navy in WW2. After the war he changed his name. He had four sons, one of whom died. The other three live in Long Island under a different name, which the author didn't reveal to protect their privacy.

I just searched "Hitler" at whitepages.com and it listed 23 people with the last name Hitler, including two Adolphs- One in Florida and another in Ohio.

Here is the Wikipedia article about William Patrick Hitler, the nephew of Adolph. It also gives the names of his four sons, all of whom have (including one that died- a federal agent) no children. Supposedly a pact made by the brothers to never have children and end the bloodline. One brother states that if such a pact were made, his brothers neglected to tell him about it.
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Dec 19, 2008, 02:40 PM
 
I wonder how many times they've had to pick up the phone to some one yelling "hail hitler"
     
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Dec 19, 2008, 10:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² View Post
I wonder how many times they've had to pick up the phone to some one yelling "hail hitler"
So what ? Why don't they change their names ? Are they proud of it ?

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Originally Posted by Goldfinger View Post
Thankfully you can't give your children idiotic names over here. Your city (where you register your kid when it gets born) can deny ridiculous names.
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Laws exist - even in your country - to try and prevent adults from inflicting physical harm upon children.

Laws exist in our country to prevent people from inflicting harm upon children by giving them stupid names.
That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

You don’t have any laws to protect children from lousy television programming, junk food, or religious indoctrination, but you have laws to stop parents from giving their children politically incorrect names.

Take any urban primary school in Germany, and you will find therein children called ‘Mohammed’, ‘Ali’, ‘Luigi’, ‘Mario’, ‘Örgün’, and so on. At least some of the German children will consider those names stupid or funny, you can pretty much guarantee that, children being how they are. Now that a lot of parents are turning to US and UK television and pop music for inspiration, you’ll also come across German children called ‘Justin’, ‘Leona’, ‘Britney’, ‘Bryan’, ‘Kimberly’ and so on. It’s probably just a matter of time until you’ll have little Germans called ‘Akon Schulze’ and ‘Will-I-am Schmidt’.

How are ‘Adolf Hitler’, or ‘Osama Bin Laden’ stupid names compared to that?
     
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Originally Posted by red rocket View Post
That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

You don’t have any laws to protect children from lousy television programming, junk food, or religious indoctrination,
The hell we DO!

There's clear bans on excessive violence and pornography (though not nudity) on public television during times when kids are likely to be watching. Food is highly regulated (though there are no laws to "protect" children from junk food, correct), and religious sects are under extremely close scrutiny if there is reason to believe they may be harmful to children - laws about child abuse still apply, you know.

Originally Posted by red rocket View Post
but you have laws to stop parents from giving their children politically incorrect names.
Not politically incorrect names, but frivolous names bound to cause serious harm to children who have no way of assessing the situation and deciding for themselves.

Originally Posted by red rocket View Post
Take any urban primary school in Germany, and you will find therein children called ‘Mohammed’, ‘Ali’, ‘Luigi’, ‘Mario’, ‘Örgün’, and so on. At least some of the German children will consider those names stupid or funny, you can pretty much guarantee that, children being how they are. Now that a lot of parents are turning to US and UK television and pop music for inspiration, you’ll also come across German children called ‘Justin’, ‘Leona’, ‘Britney’, ‘Bryan’, ‘Kimberly’ and so on. It’s probably just a matter of time until you’ll have little Germans called ‘Akon Schulze’ and ‘Will-I-am Schmidt’.

How are ‘Adolf Hitler’, or ‘Osama Bin Laden’ stupid names compared to that?
They are designed specifically to abuse the child as the PARENTS' method of making a statement.

I see what you mean, to an extent, but I think these kids are a PERFECT example of why it's a good idea to require approval.

A few notes:
Laws differ by country. In Germany, you can name your kid anything as long as it's a given name in common usage *somewhere*. Also, the officials who approve are human and can be reasoned with. Have fun convincing them that "Trashcan" is a widely accepted common first name in outer Mongolia and not intended to **** your kid up for life, though.
     
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Dec 20, 2008, 12:40 PM
 
I take it back.
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
The hell we DO!

There's clear bans on excessive violence and pornography (though not nudity) on public television during times when kids are likely to be watching.
They’re trying to control that aspect, but do nothing to prevent garbage like Big Brother, unimaginative localised versions of rubbish pseudo-talent shows, anti-intelligent children’s television built around merchandising, and other mindrot. And, mother of all crimes, they dub foreign tv and films. Could all be a lot better.

Food is highly regulated (though there are no laws to "protect" children from junk food, correct),
Maybe there should be, obesity is unhealthy.

and religious sects are under extremely close scrutiny if there is reason to believe they may be harmful to children - laws about child abuse still apply, you know.
Unless the sect happens to be one of the Big Three, they even ‘teach’ monotheism in schools.

Not politically incorrect names, but frivolous names bound to cause serious harm to children who have no way of assessing the situation and deciding for themselves.


They are designed specifically to abuse the child as the PARENTS' method of making a statement.
Hmmm. I see what you’re saying, but still disagree.

Some, hopefully most, parents want what they think is best for their children. Even if they’re Hitler fans. If a Nazi names his son ‘Adolf Hitler’, I assume that he knows the boy will face additional hardship because of his name. I also assume that he agrees with Friedrich Nietzsche (and myself, incidentally) that what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger. Or smarter, possibly.

A few notes:
Laws differ by country. In Germany, you can name your kid anything as long as it's a given name in common usage *somewhere*. Also, the officials who approve are human and can be reasoned with. Have fun convincing them that "Trashcan" is a widely accepted common first name in outer Mongolia and not intended to **** your kid up for life, though.
Well, ‘Osama’ is a given name in common usage somewhere, and turning surnames into first names isn’t unheard of, either. I remember the justification given for refusing that Turk, officials said it was because ‘Osama Bin Laden’ wasn’t a Turkish name. I do not accept that explanation. If I were to change my surname to ‘Bin Laden’ by deed poll, married a Saudi girl, and then wanted to name our son ‘Osama’, the bureaucrats would not really have an excuse to deny me my wish, but I strongly suspect they would try and fabricate one, anyway.

There are so many cool names people could give their children, empowering, interesting, delightful names that could spark conversations and controversy.

‘Sonic the Hedgehog’, for instance. Good name, I reckon, pretty much screams speed and fun. In Britain and the US, you could theoretically have people who are called that, but in Germany, it’s verboten.

Or, ‘The Matrix’. Also cool, I think. I mean, the whole fricking thing, wow…

‘Optimus Prime’. Mega-cool. Maybe it should be ‘Optimus Primus’ if localised, but then again, meaning is lost.

‘God’. Hell, why not? Maybe they’ll worship the kid.

That guy who founded the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey, guess what his son is called? ‘Satan’. Makes perfect sense.
     
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Originally Posted by red rocket View Post
Hmmm. I see what you’re saying, but still disagree.

Some, hopefully most, parents want what they think is best for their children. Even if they’re Hitler fans. If a Nazi names his son ‘Adolf Hitler’, I assume that he knows the boy will face additional hardship because of his name. I also assume that he agrees with Friedrich Nietzsche (and myself, incidentally) that what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger. Or smarter, possibly.
My wife and I agree and explain that to our daughter every morning, before her daily beating.
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Not politically incorrect names, but frivolous names bound to cause serious harm to children who have no way of assessing the situation and deciding for themselves.

They are designed specifically to abuse the child as the PARENTS' method of making a statement.

I see what you mean, to an extent, but I think these kids are a PERFECT example of why it's a good idea to require approval.
The problem is that this is entirely subjective.

Nobody is going to argue that starving your child, kicking him in the head, or making him live in a cage in a tool shed is abuse. However, what you name your child can't really fall under the category of abuse.

What about the kind of names black people give their kids? They take normal names and make them look ridiculous with extra apostrophes, capital letters, hyphens, and weird spellings.

But see, in Detroit, those names would seem perfectly normal to little kids. In an all-white town in Georgia, however, little La'Fawn'Da might get mercilessly mocked by her third-grade peers because her name "sounds funny". Would it be fair for the Georgia town to mandate "no Ebonics names", but the Detroit town to not do so? What if the kid moved to Detroit later, where her name would seem perfectly normal?

What about in California, where lots of kids have bizarro names due to hippie parents who want to be like Frank Zappa?

Should we have laws dictating what parents are allowed to clothe their children in? Some Christian denominations dictate extremely conservative clothing for females, so a girl in a public school might be wearing an ankle-length jumper, no makeup, and plain button-up shirts, because her parents make her dress that way. If everyone around her is wearing jeans and miniskirts and shorts and tank tops, she's probably going to get mocked because she "dresses funny". Should we force her parents to buy mainstream clothes for her to protect her from the abuse of other children?

What about kids whose parents give them mullets and ducktails, or parents who buy their kids immature clothing (e.g. a 14-year-old wearing LA Lights and a Loony Toons tshirt)?

Kids are brutal. It doesn't matter what you do; you're going to get mocked. You can't try to protect children from being made fun of. The conservative girl might be brutally mocked for thirteen years until she goes off to college, at which point she can buy her own clothes, and she'll get over it. The kid with the mullet can cut his hair and move on. The kid with the funny name can either take pride in being a little off the wall, or change his name. Or, if he doesn't want to pony up the $300 to legally change his name, start using a nickname everywhere but on official documents.

Once the government starts mandating limitations and regulations for something that is entirely subjective like this, it's just going to turn into a mess. Yes, we keep pornography off television, but we don't mandate how many hours of TV a child may watch per day. Yes, we make sure that food is regulated so that it doesn't contain arsenic or rat poison, but we don't mandate how many Twinkies a parent may feed their already-obese child.
     
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State removes Hunterdon County child named Hitler from home

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Jan 14, 2009, 12:51 PM
 
Nice grammatical error in the picture caption. It's so sad that newspaper editors can't even copyedit properly anymore.

Also: I'm betting they were taken from the parents for poor living conditions or something. IIRC the original article mentioned both parents were living on Social Security...
     
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Fox article

Seemed the kid was removed because:

Forensic psychologist N.G. Berrill said naming a boy Hitler could be considered child abuse.
Good grief. They removed the kid because of that?
     
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I doubt that's the only reason.

The parents would certainly raise anyone's eyebrows. They're both unemployed, and they have some obviously very questionable tastes.

I suppose the real issue is whether or not it's Constitutional for the government to get involved in parents teaching their kids white supremacist ideals.

Then again, "Constitutional" lost all meaning awhile ago...

I think it's all speculation at this point. I'm sure there will be more information soon about this.
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
I doubt that's the only reason.

The parents would certainly raise anyone's eyebrows. They're both unemployed, and they have some obviously very questionable tastes.

I suppose the real issue is whether or not it's Constitutional for the government to get involved in parents teaching their kids white supremacist ideals.

Then again, "Constitutional" lost all meaning awhile ago...

I think it's all speculation at this point. I'm sure there will be more information soon about this.
Teaching kids white supremacist ideals probably isn't wrong per se, but teaching kids violence and urging them to do it is another. I don't think the government needs to get involved in this case. There's so much wrong with the world that naming a kid Adolfus Gluck, I mean Adolf Hitler, is not something that needs attention.
     
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Originally Posted by ThinkInsane View Post
I read a book once upon a time called, I believe, "The Last Hitlers" (or Last of the Hitlers, I don't quite recall) which stated that Hitler's nephew William fought in the the U.S. Navy in WW2. After the war he changed his name. He had four sons, one of whom died. The other three live in Long Island under a different name, which the author didn't reveal to protect their privacy.
I believe the Long Island Hitlers changed their name to "Hiller".

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Originally Posted by starman
State removes Hunterdon County child named Hitler from home
Fecking Nazis.
     
 
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