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osxisfun · Jun 6, 2005, 05:47 PM

Here is some info on the new intel chip that will be in the powerbook about a year from now (or less):

Intel spills beans on Yonah, the next notebook chip

http://news.com.com/Intel+spills+bea...9925&subj=news

For one thing, it will contain two cores, instead of the single core on current notebook chips. The two separate cores will also share a 2MB cache. Current dual-core desktop chips from Advanced Micro Devices and Intel come with similar sized caches, but each core accesses only 1MB of cache memory dedicated to it. Sharing the cache will significantly boost performance. (The chips communicate with the cache through a single bus embedded in the chip.)

"When I speak of dual cores, I am not talking about a 10 percent to 20 percent improvement in performance. I am speaking about something crazy," Eden said.

A single-core version of Yonah will also come out for budget notebooks.

cough. ibooks. cough.

The chip will be paired with a chipset, called Calistoga, and a Wi-Fi module, called Golan, that will receive and send 802.11a, b and g. Later versions will come with 802.11n, the so-called MIMO technology. Wimax will start to be added in notebooks as an option around 2007, a spokesman said.

Nice.

All your laptop chips are belong to us(apple geeks.)

Superchicken · Jun 6, 2005, 05:56 PM

Crazy... the shock still hurts...

osxisfun · Jun 6, 2005, 05:57 PM

I just bought a powerbook so upgrading one year from now is looking better and better.

warra · Jun 6, 2005, 06:33 PM

How easy would it be to upgrade a powerbook bought around this time?

MacMagnus · Jun 6, 2005, 06:34 PM

This looks swell. Thanks for your redirection oxisfun, didn't see your post in my state of phatos.

Cheers.

Person Man · Jun 6, 2005, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by warra

How easy would it be to upgrade a powerbook bought around this time?

Very simple. You go to the store and buy a brand new one. Couldn't be easier than that.

The only hard part will be coming up with the money.

osxisfun · Jun 6, 2005, 06:38 PM

>The only hard part will be coming up with the money.

Simple. Nylons over the face. A paint ball gun and the nearest liquor store.!!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 6, 2005, 06:40 PM

Crazy, yesterday we would have been talking about how much better the G5 is. Now we are excited for it.

JoshuaZ · Jun 6, 2005, 07:03 PM

This would be very nice... when I switch to a new Powerbook in two years... I can actually play Doom then!

Cheetah223 · Jun 6, 2005, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by osxisfun

>The only hard part will be coming up with the money.

Simple. Nylons over the face. A paint ball gun and the nearest liquor store.!!

Airsoft..AIRSOFT!!!! Not paintball, that's my beloved sport, no one cares if airsoft gets banned, but don't hurt paintball! Plus, airsoft guns look 1000x more realistic

osxisfun · Jun 6, 2005, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cheetah223

Airsoft..AIRSOFT!!!! 1000x more realistic

Wow. I'll say. (I just googled airsoft.)

hagheid · Jun 6, 2005, 07:29 PM

Quick, send out the ilifeboats for those who hastily abandoned ship & landed in the sea of Tantrums.

wtmcgee · Jun 6, 2005, 08:15 PM

Sounds very impressive. Here's hoping the intel based notebooks are here sooner rather than later. It'll be nice to have the word *power* mean something when it is referring to powerbooks.

nonhuman · Jun 6, 2005, 08:53 PM

Hmm, I was thinking about getting a PowerBook. Maybe I'll wait now.

2 dual 2.0 GHz G5s aught to be able to hold me another year anyway.

TailsToo · Jun 6, 2005, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Hmm, I was thinking about getting a PowerBook. Maybe I'll wait now.

I worry that a lot of people are going to think this way... the short term does not look good for Apple hardware.

Drakino · Jun 6, 2005, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by TailsToo

I worry that a lot of people are going to think this way... the short term does not look good for Apple hardware.

Yeah, but Apple had to plan for this. Expect some migration marketing to start here soon that says what you buy now will keep working even with Leopard, and also Apple does have over $6 billion in cash to ride this out if all else fails.

Dinan · Jun 7, 2005, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Drakino

Yeah, but Apple had to plan for this. Expect some migration marketing to start here soon that says what you buy now will keep working even with Leopard, and also Apple does have over $6 billion in cash to ride this out if all else fails.

i was thinking about getting a PB for college.. but w/ this news its making it a little iffy. should i just get some cheap PC to use for a year then upgrade once the new PB comes out? i dont know what to do

lngtones · Jun 7, 2005, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Dinan

i was thinking about getting a PB for college.. but w/ this news its making it a little iffy. should i just get some cheap PC to use for a year then upgrade once the new PB comes out? i dont know what to do

Get an ADC Student Developer Account and buy a 17" powerbook from the ADC Hardware Purchase Program. You won't regret it trust me.

Superchicken · Jun 7, 2005, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dinan

i was thinking about getting a PB for college.. but w/ this news its making it a little iffy. should i just get some cheap PC to use for a year then upgrade once the new PB comes out? i dont know what to do

You don't have to worry odds are your PowerBook will be supported for minimum the next five years, at least by Apple, and by the time it matters if there is extra time taken to compile an app for PPC, odds are if your book can run it, the time it'll take for an x86 Mac to compile it will be minimal. That said I wouldn't be surprised if Apple forces apps to be compiled for both PPC and x86.

Don't worry about buying one... the initial shock got me for a bit.. but odds are you'll have more trouble with a new x86 Mac than you will a PPC. The reason why Apple is going Intel is because the G4s aren't going to get much faster. Though right now they are pretty zippy.

E's Lil Theorem · Jun 7, 2005, 03:45 AM

Intel spills beans on Yonah, the next notebook chip

This is interesting: Steve has always amazed the masses with his "one more thing" announcements, but Intel needs to amaze its masses and competitors as well. Who will get to make the big announcements from now on? As far as I know, DELL doesn't get to announce any new Intel technology, though they may get first dibs on it. Something else that's interesting! Will Apple get sloppy seconds now that they're competing on the same platform as DELL?

Lots of interesting shenanigans going on

Lancer409 · Jun 7, 2005, 05:52 AM

13.3inch Powerbook with Dual Core and WiFi A/B/G/N =) maybe wimax as well...

estimate my next apple purchase to be '07 when all the goodies come in. I'll always cherish my first Powerbook though, I doubt I'd sell it. Sentimental value ... when they were still Risc... =)

Randman · Jun 7, 2005, 06:11 AM

Wimax is slated for laptops in 2007. Be rev bs for the PowerPentiumBook.

Scooterboy · Jun 7, 2005, 07:07 AM

Who will get Yonah first? Dell, Alienware, Apple? Will Apple still skimp on the GPU, or finally produce a competitve laptop? They could really sell PentiumBooks fast and widen the market for them if they include a copy of Windows XP or Longhorn. Users could use whichever OS they prefer and still use Apple hardware.

Seb G · Jun 7, 2005, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Lancer409

I'll always cherish my first Powerbook though, I doubt I'd sell it. Sentimental value ... when they were still Risc... =)

I'll always cherish my first Powerbook though, I doubt I'd sell it. Sentimental value ... when they were still CISC

Randman · Jun 7, 2005, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Scooterboy

They could really sell PentiumBooks fast and widen the market for them if they include a copy of Windows XP or Longhorn.

Like Microsoft is going to let that happen. Why do you think M$ bought Connetix?

Scooterboy · Jun 7, 2005, 07:50 AM

Maybe they didn't want the Windows user experience spoiled by crappy emulation. Intel Macs will be able to dual boot Mac OS or Windows. Windows will of course run natively on them. Why wouldn't MS want to sell more copies of Windows?

Randman · Jun 7, 2005, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Scooterboy

Intel Macs will be able to dual boot Mac OS or Windows. Windows will of course run natively on them.

And how do you know this?

Originally Posted by Scooterboy

Why wouldn't MS want to sell more copies of Windows?

VPC is one thing. Giving Windows to Mac users is quite a different. Same way that XBox360 users won't get Apple's Tiger installed just cuz they both run on PPC.

You may be able to hack OSX onto an XBox but there's already VPC for that.

Besides, you sound like a Windows fan. But there's many of us who don't user Windows and don't care to. I've never owned a Windows PC. I have VPC in case I need it for my job but that's all.

Scooterboy · Jun 7, 2005, 08:07 AM

It was one of the Apple execs who said that only Intel Macs will be locked down so that OS X will only run on them and not on other x86 PC, but though they wouldn't support it, they wouldn't lock out Windows from running on Intel Mac hardware.

Scooterboy · Jun 7, 2005, 08:13 AM

I haven't used Windows since I switched to Mac in '99. I've been on OS X since 10.0.4. I love my PowerBook and all of Apple's hardware but big changes are afoot. Apple is becoming an Intel PC vendor that markets it's own OS, but if Macs running Windows helps to sell more Macs, I don't think Apple will complain much, and those users may give OS X a try if they know they can still run Windows on the same hardware.

AssassyN · Jun 7, 2005, 09:19 AM

I'm so thrilled I sold my 12" PB (1.33Ghz) last week on eBay for a great price.

I'm holding out for the Pentium PowerBook, and can't wait! I honestly hope these new books can dual boot WinXP & OS X, it would be a complete miracle, and totally awesome. I doubt it would happen, but it would be incredible.

But first they'd hafta solve the Mac OS X Formatted drives vs. NTFS drives, right?

joltguy · Jun 7, 2005, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Crazy, yesterday we would have been talking about how much better the G5 is. Now we are excited for it.

What a difference a keynote makes.

typ993 · Jun 7, 2005, 02:50 PM

The radius of Steve's Reality Distortion Field™ is truly amazing!

MindFad · Jun 7, 2005, 02:57 PM

Oooooh yeah.

scairns · Jun 7, 2005, 06:30 PM

So what do we call this new platform . . . . Mactel?

dlefebvre · Jun 7, 2005, 06:41 PM

Does this means I'll be able to buy a PowerBook that wont burn my thighs?

hagheid · Jun 7, 2005, 06:43 PM

Appel

invisibleX · Jun 7, 2005, 06:44 PM

For The Last Time Its The Same Computer.

osxisfun · Jun 7, 2005, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by dlefebvre

Does this means I'll be able to buy a PowerBook that wont burn my thighs?

suposedly yes. as the yonah chips will be at .65 micron and intel has stated this would result in much much less heat. teamed with a list of HDs etc. that intel is reccomending , you will also get 8hrs off a single battery... or so they are claiming.

dlefebvre · Jun 7, 2005, 06:53 PM

Even 6 hours would be nice.

scairns · Jun 7, 2005, 07:06 PM

Actually, no, it's Not The Same Computer.
What it is, is the same interface and "experience" that we have all come to know and love.
(And for those who prefer to replace "love" with "lust", please send photos to . . . )

Okay, so . . . The CPUs, GPUs, Chipsets, busses, & technologies underpinning Mac and Windows will now be the same ?

If so, will Apple now be relying *solely* on presentation (the Macintosh interface, user experience and packaging) to differeniate itself?
Can Apple supply a significantly more "efficient" OS that will provide a significantly "faster" platform?

E's Lil Theorem · Jun 7, 2005, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by scairns

So what do we call this new platform . . . . Mactel?

That's what I've been calling it.

dlefebvre · Jun 7, 2005, 08:30 PM

iBook
PowerBook
Mac mini
iMac
MacPro

osxisfun · Jun 7, 2005, 08:30 PM

xBook.

Cubeoid · Jun 7, 2005, 09:24 PM

No pictures = Boring Postrozo

Eug Wanker · Jun 7, 2005, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Crazy, yesterday we would have been talking about how much better the G5 is. Now we are excited for it.

Actually, I've always said that the Pentium M is a better chip than the G5 for PowerBooks. However, I also always said it was crazy talk to think we'd get a Pentium M in a PowerBook.

osxisfun · Jun 7, 2005, 10:00 PM

Mmmmm dual core powerbooks within 12 months...

JoshuaZ · Jun 7, 2005, 10:31 PM

Mmmmm Powerbooks that can run Doom....

TAZ · Jun 8, 2005, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by scairns

...If so, will Apple now be relying *solely* on presentation (the Macintosh interface, user experience and packaging) to differeniate itself?
Can Apple supply a significantly more "efficient" OS that will provide a significantly "faster" platform?

What are they truly relying on now aside from presentation and a more efficient OS. people arent buying macs cause they are faster than Wintel machines. They arent buying them casue they are cheaper... We buy them cause the OS is simple, stable and efficient to use. All this is packaged in a machine that actually looks and feels good. I bet that 90% of the users could give a hoot as to what is actually inside. Heck I'd take it if it had 2 rats in there so long as I got the same functionality.

osxisfun · Jun 8, 2005, 07:30 PM

>it had 2 rats in there so long as I got the same functionality.

or 2 hamsters in the case of my powerbook...

Lancer409 · Jun 9, 2005, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

Mmmmm Powerbooks that can run Doom....

with a bright ass'ed xbrite type lcd ... sure ...

blacks will be black

doom is a dark dark game. running around on a powerbook with a hazy'ish screen where the blacks are really grey ... i wouldnt go near it. i cant wait for a 13.3 inch widescreen with xbrite though