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foobars · Feb 22, 2001, 12:22 AM

Anyone notice apple.com got a makeover after MWT?

<IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apile/newaqua.jpg"">

The shadows, depth, and text are all lighter, along with the height of the tabs. Is this a glimpse at an Aqua revision?

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mindwaves · Feb 22, 2001, 12:24 AM

I noticed it but I have no real comments on it besides the iMacs are terrible looking.

krove · Feb 22, 2001, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by mindwaves:
I noticed it but I have no real comments on it besides the iMacs are terrible looking.

They're not that bad; they're just not for YOU. Since you don't like them, more for the rest. BTW, I probably won't buy one: I just can't stand all the naysayers who can be so negative all the time...

krove

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gorgonzola · Feb 22, 2001, 12:37 AM

krove, can you honestly see these new iMacs helping apple's financial situation in any way? especially on the imac line?

i can't. but i think the real revision will come MWNY. see the thread "good news and bad news" posted by me for what i think.

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Alex Duffield · Feb 22, 2001, 12:53 AM

Yup, I noticed, and I like the change. I hope it flows over into OSX, as it looks far more "Pro" Tighter, and sharper.

As for the iMacs, I wouldn't get one (well...maybe for my daughter) but I bet they sell great!! Especially in Japan, they are crazy for that type of stuff over there.. Notice there is one for the boy, and one for the Girl... And a graphite for Dad...

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Scott_H · Feb 22, 2001, 12:55 AM

A little less gel cap looking. Not as "3D" in effect.

I love the blue iMac. That's

Alex Duffield · Feb 22, 2001, 12:55 AM

How the #@** did you get a shot of the "Old" store???

Just grabed one one day so that if they ever did a change, you would be ready to point it out to us all!!??!!

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n8910 · Feb 22, 2001, 01:22 AM

Not all tha pages are updated:

OLD:
<http://asu.info.apple.com/swupdates.nsf/changes?OpenView&Count=50>

New:
<http://www.apple.com/>

I just hope they never make iMacs with FUR, or Troll hair or something tacky like that.. Which, BTW, why doesn't any 3rd parties make iMac panel replacements...

I want one with covered with velcro, so i can throw tennis balls at it from across the room...

Oh, mac OS X (now I am on topic ;-) Sorry...

Nate

CharlesS · Feb 22, 2001, 01:42 AM

Let's just hope the Aqua revision doesn't end up looking like those new iMacs!!!

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I'mDaMac · Feb 22, 2001, 02:07 AM

I think the new iMacs look kinda cool actually. I personally wouldn't buy one for myself but I can see were they'd appeal to some people.

Feb 22, 2001, 02:42 AM

If Apple ever do to their OS what they did to the iMac shell, then that is the day I jump ship.

I don't think they ever will. I can't imagine too many employees wanting to stay and work on "Flower Power OS XI"

Why the didn't they just announce this and watch people flocking to the Mac OS X platform. The perfect width for having lots of icons in the Dock!

tz3gm · Feb 22, 2001, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Qwanky:
If Apple ever do to their OS what they did to the iMac shell, then that is the day I jump ship.

I don't think they ever will. I can't imagine too many employees wanting to stay and work on "Flower Power OS XI"

Why the didn't they just announce this and watch people flocking to the Mac OS X platform. The perfect width for having lots of icons in the Dock!

i hope apple NEVER puts these 2 as a theme in OSX
i hope this is NOT a sign of things to come!

Gavin · Feb 22, 2001, 06:07 AM

New iMac colors are a good idea. Not too crazy about the blue one, but the flower one is cool. How long before it shows up on a TV show? They should come out with a couple of new wild shells every 3 months in limited editions, the same concept as the 'Swatch' if you remember that. I want a black one with little semi-transparent skull and crossbones. How about one built to order with pictures of your kids on the sides for gramma. A 'Winnie the Pooh' iMac for the nursery school. Semi-truck mud flap naked chicks?
Students would compete over who has the freakiest one. They could sell them in the mall at spenser's.

Actually, they should sell a perfectly clear model. The design would be on a plastic sheet which goes over the top. It could be slightly sticky but removable so you can change it when you want to. The designs are now limitless.

jamesa · Feb 22, 2001, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Qwanky:
If Apple ever do to their OS what they did to the iMac shell, then that is the day I jump ship.

I don't think they ever will. I can't imagine too many employees wanting to stay and work on "Flower Power OS XI"

Why the didn't they just announce this and watch people flocking to the Mac OS X platform. The perfect width for having lots of icons in the Dock!

jump ship to where? Windows?

I think you're forgetting, they already have a flower power theme

clebin · Feb 22, 2001, 08:23 AM

If OS X 1.0 has more tints based on Mac colours as speculated, what the hell are they going to do with the new iMacs?

Actually, I think a very subtle spot or floral motif (I mean just a couple of shades variation) would be pretty cool, if it were possible.

I don't think for one second this will happen, mind...

Chris

Mr Scruff · Feb 22, 2001, 12:24 PM

Funny how Apple does do themes, but only in the hardware...

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apple emp · Feb 22, 2001, 12:59 PM

You guys are off your rockers!

Aqua has no changes, we changed the look of our Freaking Website!!! Thats all!!!

and the new iMacs are not geared to geeks/powerusers who hang on Hardware/software forums all day long. they are targeted at a different market, one where mom and dad spend anything to keep their little ones happy.

you can now get a cube cheaper than an iMac!

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NeoMac · Feb 22, 2001, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by apple emp:

you can now get a Cube cheaper than an iMac!

Yeah, but it is the same crappy Cube specs from last July. And when the inventory of these old Cubes is gone, Apple will go back to charging $1600 for the low-end model.

shame on Apple ... but we still love you guys!

apple emp · Feb 22, 2001, 01:32 PM

"Yeah, but it is the same crappy Cube specs from last July. And when the inventory of these old Cubes is gone, Apple will go back to charging $1600 for the low-end model."

yeah but a G4 cheaper than a G3?

cmon :b

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Feb 22, 2001, 01:52 PM

Apple is charging $1500 for the low end model. Same specs as the remaindered 450s, except you get 64 megs more RAM and the choice of a DVD-ROM or CD-RW. Yay $300 for 64 megs of RAM.

apple emp · Feb 22, 2001, 02:01 PM

ugh - wrong

1299 - 1599 - 2144
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...3.1.1.0?89,109

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jblakeh1 · Feb 22, 2001, 02:09 PM

Yeah, but it is the same crappy Cube specs from last July

What can you possibly find crappy about the Cube? It's easily the most remarkable desktop machine on the market. The new price point is what was needed... it's not like DVD is outdated. Ram is cheap. What's the problem?

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tz3gm · Feb 22, 2001, 02:11 PM

i agree with apple emp, the cube has become like the imac we have always wanted with the G4 450 and only $1,299? damn that rocks! i'd rather get the 450 G4 rather than the 600 G3, wouldn't u?

Feb 22, 2001, 02:11 PM

you're not an apple employee.

i say this because i don't want to believe that apple would hire an ignorant **** like you.

you CAN NOT get a G4 Cube for cheaper than an iMac. In order to use a G4 Cube, you have to either buy a display to go with it, or use one you already have. either way, that is added cost. And if you buy an Apple display, you're going to shell out at least $1798.

So shut your ****ing mouth and stop making a fool of yourself.

tz3gm · Feb 22, 2001, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by incredulous:
you're not an apple employee.

i say this because i don't want to believe that apple would hire an ignorant **** like you.

you CAN NOT get a G4 Cube for cheaper than an iMac. In order to use a G4 Cube, you have to either buy a display to go with it, or use one you already have. either way, that is added cost. And if you buy an Apple display, you're going to shell out at least $1798.

So shut your ****ing mouth and stop making a fool of yourself.

is this directed at me? or at apple emp?
anyway, the G4 cube i think is directed to those ppl who want something a little more advanced, but may also have a monitor lying around somewhere on the side..u can always buy a cheap monitor if u like...a non-apple branded one...that's a choice ppl will be allowed to make with the cube

Milio · Feb 22, 2001, 02:20 PM

Hey, it's finally priced like it should have been when it was introduced! $1,299 is also where the top of the iMac price point should be.

krove · Feb 22, 2001, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by incredulous:
you're not an apple employee.

i say this because i don't want to believe that apple would hire an ignorant **** like you.

you CAN NOT get a G4 Cube for cheaper than an iMac. In order to use a G4 Cube, you have to either buy a display to go with it, or use one you already have. either way, that is added cost. And if you buy an Apple display, you're going to shell out at least $1798.

So shut your ****ing mouth and stop making a fool of yourself.

Where the hell do you buy your monitors? Let's see, take a 15" display like an iMac for about $100 (checked www.pricewatch.com ). Add that to the base price of the "Good" Cube config of $1299, and you get $1399. Add another $75 to upgrade to the GeForce2 MX and you get about $1474 for a G4, DVD, 20 GB, killer graphics, a monitor. Oh, and did I mention that it looks cool, too? It is possible to get a decent Cube system w/monitor (albeit a small one) for less than an iMac...

Get off your rocker and get some sense, Mr. Incredulous...

krove

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krove · Feb 22, 2001, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
krove, can you honestly see these new iMacs helping apple's financial situation in any way? especially on the imac line?

i can't. but i think the real revision will come MWNY. see the thread "good news and bad news" posted by me for what i think.

Can I take a guess at something....I bet you're NOT a marketing major. You assume that the entire market is based on YOUR likes/dislikes. Perhaps Apple is attempting to push the Prosumer portion (iMac DV/SE owners) of the market to Cubes or G4 towers. The iMac is a low-level consumer machine, now enticing an even more diverse segment of the population (some people love art...probably not you). However many Apple sells, that will account for something in the bottom line, so don't discount Apple so quickly.

Think about it,
krove

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apple emp · Feb 22, 2001, 02:58 PM

hey i'm ignorant! woohoo, ahh the love from the community.

anyway, like krove said you can get the whole package of the cube($1299 the cheapest G4 you have ever seen), memory(128 megs for $65) and monitor(from $100 to $2999) for under $1600 if you have the brains to buy stuff.

as far as if i work for apple, i do, dont believe me? ask Scott_H to do a IP lookup.

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conny · Feb 22, 2001, 03:26 PM

The 1299 deal is really good but what is really weird is the 1599 configuration. What do you get for those extra $300? CD-RW instead of a DVD (should cost about the same) and 64 MB of memory.
My suggestion: Why not buy the 1299 cube, buy an external CD-RW, add 64 MB yourself and you will probably end up at 1499. Cheaper and you have both a DVD player and a CD-RW.

When I first looked at the specification page for the cube the 1599 model had a 40GB hardrive and an Radeon but they changed that this morning. That would have made more sense.
What do you think?

Feb 22, 2001, 05:37 PM

exactly. the 1299 cubes are just left overs--once they are sold out what happens? just two configs or do we get more features for the same price.

brainchild2b · Feb 22, 2001, 06:22 PM

To settle this dispute since you are acting like little kids i will join in too. HE SAID "a G4 cube for cheeper than an iMac" Which is TRUE. He did NOT say a G4 cube with a monitor, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Gametes · Feb 22, 2001, 06:43 PM

I can get a car with no engine cheaper than an iMac, too.
Lotta good that'll do me, buddy.

Gametes · Feb 22, 2001, 07:13 PM

Back on topic...I was just over at apple.com and I must say I really like the new aqua skin. My number 1 complaint about X has always been that aqua is far too big on my iBook's poor screen. Mostly, it just pisses me off that all that space is wasted for no good reason around the text and widgets.

But if you look to their website, all the text just barely fits, as do the widgets. Perfect!

Feb 22, 2001, 07:21 PM

Hey, apple emp... you got one thing wrong!

you can't get 128MB of RAM for 65... you can get 256MB for $64!!!

Just look right here:

Feb 22, 2001, 07:56 PM

The $1299 models are leftovers from the first run of Cubes. When they go, expect the usual ladder step in prices for the conifgs shortly thereafter. So the $1599 model will eventually be the $1299 model, and there will be a new "Fastest" model. It would be nice if they knocked off $100-200 for a Cube/monitor bundle, and advertised it that way.

People want to think they're getting something for less or for free, even if it means they need to spend more.

I think Apple's monitors are a significant part of why their sales have slipped. I bet plenty of people think that without the monitor they want, they'll just hold off on the whole thing. May not make sense, but I've seen it enough with other stuff. The don't have an 18-19" CRT or LCD, plus their low-end monitor is higher-end than most know or care about. They should just have an option for a cheapo 17" and add either an 18" LCD or 19" CRT.

CharlesS · Feb 22, 2001, 08:42 PM

I dunno, I kinda seem to like the old one more.

Maybe I just became used to it or something...

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Feb 23, 2001, 02:34 AM

Back to the first post about the aqua revision. I don't think it has anything to do with that, I think they revised the pages to be lower bandwidth. If you look at the old pages and compare them to the new ones, the new ones are quite a bit smaller and load faster. Less greys = better picture compression.