[RedHerring]

In other browser news, Camino 0.9a1 is available for download as well. Folks who use recent nightlies will recognize this all.

More info and download here.

0.9a1 Release Notes

[ManOfSteal]

[El Magnificante]

How does it compare to Safari 1.3? How does it handle JavaScript?

[Ludovic Hirlimann]

Originally Posted by El Magnificante

How does it compare to Safari 1.3? How does it handle JavaScript?

It seems a lot speedier. It's has one of the best Javascript implementation around since the inventor of JavaScript works on the javascript engine found in Camino. Please notice that a1 stands for Alpha One.

[El Magnificante]

I got it, used it for a bit and couldn't take the constant beach-balling. I prefer the constant fan with Safari.

Web browsing on this Mac is the WORST experience

P.S. PB 17" 1.33 1GB single stick 80GB 5400rpm

[PurpleGiant]

Constant beach balling in Camino? Never seen Camino beachball once, even on an old G3 iMac.

[CaptainHaddock]

This Camino is fast and slick for me.

Does anyone know if the bookmark bar uses a background image that can be changed? I like the smoothness of Firefox's toolbars better (though I don't like actually using Firefox on a Mac).

[xeno]

camino is (woah, i was going to say something good about camino, not now, it is slow as molasses and blinking cursor is killing me) by camino, or by this forum

[xeno]

you guys have got to get rid of the smilies, it was those that were ****ign with the computer I am sure, camino is great, this forum is not, we dont need 50 flashing smilies at the ready for each post

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by El Magnificante

I got it, used it for a bit and couldn't take the constant beach-balling. I prefer the constant fan with Safari.

Web browsing on this Mac is the WORST experience

P.S. PB 17" 1.33 1GB single stick 80GB 5400rpm

I was going to mildly flame you, Magnificante, until I reread your post and noticed you qualified your statement by limiting it to that particular PowerBook. So what's wrong with it thermally?

[brutal]

Originally Posted by xeno

you guys have got to get rid of the smilies, it was those that were ****ign with the computer I am sure, camino is great, this forum is not, we dont need 50 flashing smilies at the ready for each post

I agree. However, you can disable these (and other) annoying gif-animations by putting this in your user.js:

Code:
user_pref("image.animation_mode", "none");

[mchladek]

Speedy indeed. Typing is still painfully slow with any animated gifs. I'll have to check out brutal's tip.

[iPetie]

I must say that I'm trying it for the first time in a long time and I find it quite speedy and pleasant overall.
Would like Spell Check. Would like RSS. Otherwise, every bit as nice or nicer than Safari 2.0

[El Magnificante]

Trying to type posts in some fora with Camino is futile; each letter is a few seconds behind

I wonder what's wrong with this PB ?

[Macola]

Originally Posted by El Magnificante

Trying to type posts in some fora with Camino is futile; each letter is a few seconds behind

I wonder what's wrong with this PB ?

Install Camino ExtraPrefs and set image animation mode to Once (under Display). That will fix the problem. Or you can modify your user.js file as someone suggested.

[El Magnificante]

Thanks for the suggestion. Just reinstalled Camino and downloaded that app, changed the setting, and the results are the same

Unbelievably slowwwwwwwwwww typing and constant fan.

My PB sux I guess ...

[Catfish_Man]

Nah. Text fields sucking is a known issue in Camino. Fixing it is nontrivial... but we can always hope it'll be fixed for 1.0

[madking]

On my powerbook, the latest camino 0.9a keeps hogging the processor, even when I am not doing anythingelse. The CPU usage goes from 20% to 78% in some sort of cycle. Going back to 0.8.4 for now.

[tavilach]

Screenshots, please!

[ManOfSteal]

Originally Posted by tavilach

Screenshots, please!

Here.

[tavilach]

Originally Posted by ManOfSteal

Here.

But that's not 0.9, Mr. Steal!

[ManOfSteal]

Originally Posted by tavilach

But that's not 0.9, Mr. Steal!

Huh? 0.9 is the same UI.

[tavilach]

Originally Posted by ManOfSteal

Huh? 0.9 is the same UI.

You sure? I think it's different.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally Posted by tavilach

You sure? I think it's different.

Download and try it out.

[brutal]

0.9a1 uses the new tab-style. The screenshots show the old tabs.

[Cadaver]

Still no spellcheck

[Thain Esh Kelch]

0.9 also has the unified toolbar under Tiiiigeerrrrr!

[Sarc]

I'm keeping G4 Optimized FireFox build + very nice OS X only skin + array of extensions (AdBlock, All-In-One-Gestures, TabBrowser Prefs and BugMeNot).
While not as polished as Safari, it's the only browser I feel comfortable with.

[hotani]

It'll never get Default Browser Status on my box till that fawking text area lag is fixed!

Other than that, it really is a beautiful browser.

[Mithras]

Yeah, I'll happily jump back to Camino once they use native textarea widgets.

[Japser]

The Camino team knows that the text lag is a major problem and we are working on solving it, it's high priority.

As far as native widgets for camino, it will never happen Why you might ask, well believe it or not but insiders say the Safari team abandoned the use of native widgets and have chozen for the custom drawing of them similar to what we do. They did that because native widget cause enormous rendering speed issues, in past versions of safari it was really hard to get it at the speed it was. You won't notice the difference.

In more recent nighlies we made an effort to further improve the look and use of our form widgets, and you can expect to see more improvements over time eventually including spellcheck. But we are a small team with little time and we have other bugs that are more important.

[Krypton]

Has anyone noticed that Camino is now using the Cocoa widgets that Josh Aas has been writing about recently? (they are targetted for Firefox soon, but are on the Mozilla trunk).

[brutal]

Originally Posted by Krypton

Has anyone noticed that Camino is now using the Cocoa widgets that Josh Aas has been writing about recently? (they are targetted for Firefox soon, but are on the Mozilla trunk).

Huh? Show me!

Edit: Nevermind, found a screenshot here showing Firefox with the new widgets.

[Japser]

You'r all hopelesly confused. They aren't cocoa widgets in the sence that they are "real" aqua widgets. What he said was that he wrote the widget code (code that make the form widget look like aqua) in the cocoa language. Only thing this will mean is that a) it "looks" like real widgets b) that the code is shared with camino (where it came from) so it's easy to maintain. No, you won't have spell checking and what not.

[brutal]

well, it looks good anyway.

[delete]

What Deer Park build with the aqua widgets was that? I downloaded one from yesterday and it still has the old widgets.

[albook]

Originally Posted by delete

What Deer Park build with the aqua widgets was that? I downloaded one from yesterday and it still has the old widgets.

It was a special test build, not available to the public.
Joas Aas posted about it in his blog: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/josh/...ot_of_f_1.html

You can test it yourself if you build Deer Park (Firefox 1.0.+) with this option " --enable-default-toolkit=cocoa"

[Krypton]

Originally Posted by Japser

You'r all hopelesly confused. They aren't cocoa widgets in the sence that they are "real" aqua widgets. What he said was that he wrote the widget code (code that make the form widget look like aqua) in the cocoa language. Only thing this will mean is that a) it "looks" like real widgets b) that the code is shared with camino (where it came from) so it's easy to maintain. No, you won't have spell checking and what not.

But I didn't say 'real Aqua', I said Cocoa widgets, which is in essence what you have just said

Anywho, I can't wait till they make it into Firefox...

[RedHerring]

0.9a2 is now available. A few highlights from the release notes:

* We fixed several issues to improve text input speed to ensure its as good as we can get it to be.
* Back/Forward performance has been greatly improved by keeping the full page in memory.
* This version contains a wide variety of optimizations, memory usage improvements, leak fixes and performance improvements for page rendering and scrolling, as well as numerous crash fixes.
* Event message handling rewritten to improve app responsiveness:
* No more frame skipping in DHTML animations or flash adds.
* Rarely see "beach balls of death".
* CPU usage on pages with multiple plugin objects has been vastly improved.
* In general the UI stays much more responsive when viewing CPU-intensive content.
* We now use Quartz to draw all images on websites.
* Startup time has been improved by more than 25%.

In addition, with the release of CamiBlock, Camino now has much better ad-blocking abilities.

CamiBlock is a Preference Pane for Camino.
With CamiBlock you can prevent images, scripts or objects from loading in Camino.

One special feature of CamiBlock is that you can update your list of blocked servers with data from the internet - collected by pgl.yoyo.org.

I'm lovin' where things are going with Camino these days!

[Ludovic Hirlimann]

Originally Posted by RedHerring

0.9a2 is now available.
I'm lovin' where things are going with Camino these days!

Using Macnn's forums should be acceptable now. And Tiger user will be pleased to know that the top crahser on tiger has been fixed.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally Posted by Ludovic Hirlimann

Using Macnn's forums should be acceptable now. And Tiger user will be pleased to know that the top crahser on tiger has been fixed.

The 'NN forums are still screwed up for me with 0.9a2...I'll kill all preferences and see where I get.

[Japser]

With 09a2 you are indeed still screwed if you use the Advanced reply view. That's a whole other issue, we seem to go mad on redraw when a lot of animated objects are scatterd across a page, we are looking at that. But typing in textfields on normal pages such as the quick reply here on macnn work as normal again for me.

[RedHerring]

Using CamiOptions you can set animated images to only repeat once (or not at all). It makes a big difference, even on MacNN's advanced reply page. Give it a try and see if it helps.

[legacyb4]

Nice. I skipped 0.9.1 and jumped directly to the 2 release. So far, so good.

Nice changes to the interface (left aligned tabs) and more in line with the Tiger look. Feels a lot slicker too. Will be interesting to see what CamiBlock will do.

[brutal]

Originally Posted by RedHerring

Using CamiOptions you can set animated images to only repeat once (or not at all). It makes a big difference, even on MacNN's advanced reply page. Give it a try and see if it helps.

Or (as I've already mentioned in this thread) you can put this in your user.js:

Code:
user_pref("image.animation_mode", "none");

[tkmd]

I just downloaded the newest version - release 2. It is quicker than Safari. But then again Safari used to be quicker for me until using it all the time (slowing its performance down- why does this happen, despite cleaning the cache etc?) Only time will tell. But I'll stick with safari for now because its scrolls faster.

[Adam Betts]

Latest version of Camino feels very light and lightning fast. Unified look is hot.

My only complaints are:

I don't like it when favicon and text in active tab move one pixel up after switching to different tab.

Bookmark Bar and Tab Bar feel too crowded. Some air between them would be nice.


Wishlist:

When tabs exceed window's horizontal size, it would be nice to have a visual number of tabs hidden in ">>"

Implement "Look Up in Dictionary" for Tiger. Can't live without it

[RedHerring]

Originally Posted by Adam Betts

Implement "Look Up in Dictionary" for Tiger. Can't live without it

While it's not quite as handy as Safari's way of looking up words, you can use Dictionary in Camino by selecting a word and then choosing "Look up in Dictionary" from the services menu.

[His Dudeness]

Originally Posted by mchladek

Speedy indeed. Typing is still painfully slow with any animated gifs. I'll have to check out brutal's tip.

Well, let's see. I can now type fast by doing that tip. I don't know why Camino can't handle animated gifs for whatever reason. But this is nice.