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Jun 28, 2004, 02:10 PM
 
New tech: Core Image and Core Video. doing processing in graphics processor (GPU), not the CPU.

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Jun 28, 2004, 02:13 PM
 
YES CORE IMAGE!!!!!!!!!11 I'VE BEEN HOPING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR YEARS!!!!!!!

oh caps lock...right

For people without Photoshop, this is amazing. Imagine being able to drop an image in an app not meant to edit pictures such as OmniGraffle and adding a sepia tone or making it b&w from within the app.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:17 PM
 
I need to see it before real predictions can be made, but there is the chance that this will allow shareware apps to do a lot of what photoshop does now (obviously not a photoshop killer, but definitely it will take a chunk out of PhotoDelux).
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:18 PM
 
Originally posted by larkost:
I need to see it before real predictions can be made, but there is the chance that this will allow shareware apps to do a lot of what photoshop does now (obviously not a photoshop killer, but definitely it will take a chunk out of PhotoDelux).
I guess the first app usng this technology is iPhoto 05, could result in a quite cool app.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:19 PM
 
Core Image and Core Video have obviously been in the works for some time (iPhoto!).

Hopefully, this will get Adobe to figure out real upgrades to Photoshop than things like the healing brush and file browser. The last several upgrades haven't been worth the money, other than OS X compatibility.

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Jun 28, 2004, 02:20 PM
 
Originally posted by larkost:
I need to see it before real predictions can be made, but there is the chance that this will allow shareware apps to do a lot of what photoshop does now (obviously not a photoshop killer, but definitely it will take a chunk out of PhotoDelux).
Well you can apparently put filters on video and images in any app that wants to take advantage of it.

So yeah...not a Photoshop killer but will add features that people may want to existing apps and that didn't want to shell out billions of dollars to get Photoshop.

But is this the first step towards a Photoshop-killer app Apple has underwraps?

3rd-party software now becomes much more powerful with this...and someone can probably start making a very powerful Photoshop-like app too now that this brings a system-wide filter plugins to *all* apps.

Why make a Photoshop plugin now when making a Core Image/Video plugin would benefit the whole OS X community. This is only good news!

I hated the Spotlight search feature but Core Image/Video more than makes up for any booboo Apple is coming up next (like that Konfab-like Exposť thingy).
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:20 PM
 
Originally posted by Zadian:
I guess the first app usng this technology is iPhoto 05, could result in a quite cool app.
That would be the last app with this functionality if Apple value their friendship with Adobe.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:21 PM
 
Originally posted by Krypton:
That would be the last app with this functionality if Apple value their friendship with Adobe.
iPhoto will never step on the toes of Photoshop. They are completely different apps with completely different purposes.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Krypton:
That would be the last app with this functionality if Apple value their friendship with Adobe.
The damage is already done I think. A system-wide filter plugins? All apps are now a step closer to being able to some of Photoshop's key features.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:25 PM
 
can't wait for the stream vis a vis core video. but i guess i have to.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:25 PM
 
Originally posted by Turias:
iPhoto will never step on the toes of Photoshop. They are completely different apps with completely different purposes.
I think Photo retouching is very much what Adobe makes their money from, especially with printer and scanner bundles (not necessarily to PS app, but things like Elements).
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:26 PM
 
Now I may finally have a reason to upgrade Graphic Converter.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:26 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
The damage is already done I think. A system-wide filter plugins? All apps are now a step closer to being able to some of Photoshop's key features.
Photoshop is much more than filters, and I suspect Photoshop to support Core Image in the future.
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:27 PM
 
Aaaaaaaagh!

Accessory widgets, and widgets that go to the web and find stuff for you.

Dashboard: addressbook, calculator etc... hit one button to pull them all up.
"expose for widgets". Showing itunes controller, etc...
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:27 PM
 
"Next: Automater. Visual scripting.

Accessory widgets, and widgets that go to the web and find stuff for you.

Dashboard: addressbook, calculator etc... hit one button to pull them all up.
"expose for widgets". Showing itunes controller, etc...

Next: .Mac. Over 1/2 million subscribers. Building a sync engine right into tiger.
also using for .Mac syncing throughout tiger. New .Mac preference panel to turn things
on and off in once place. Good for those with more than one Mac. Sync addresses,
screensavers etc... across computers."

MacRumors.

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Jun 28, 2004, 02:27 PM
 
Not a chance... Adobe makes their money from layout apps and other high end workflow apps... InDesign (formerly PageMaker), Illustrator, Photoshop...

There's many, many, many things that these apps can do that Apple's not willing to do... yet.

However, I see no point in Photoshop CS or lite or whatever they want to call it if Apple's going to do this.

Down the road, I could see Apple making a Photoshop killer, but that's in the area of the map that's labelled, "Theyre bee Draygons Here!" (sic)

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Jun 28, 2004, 02:28 PM
 
Unless iPhoto starts doing more than applying filters, Adobe has nothing to fear.
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:28 PM
 
Dashboard: addressbook, calculator etc... hit one button to pull them all up.
"expose for widgets". Showing itunes controller, etc...

Next: .Mac. Over 1/2 million subscribers. Building a sync engine right into tiger.
also using for .Mac syncing throughout tiger. New .Mac preference panel to turn things
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:28 PM
 
Originally posted by Krypton:
I think Photo retouching is very much what Adobe makes their money from, especially with printer and scanner bundles (not necessarily to PS app, but things like Elements).
And iPhoto isn't about photo retouching at all.

You should at least try Photoshop before comparing it with iPhoto + filters.
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:31 PM
 
I would guess that core image is trying to compete against the video and image sections of DirectX, I would even wonder if Adobe might be pushing Apple to add these functions to the toolkit, so that they can use them in their apps... it would be interesting to do a direct comparison of the two API's...
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:31 PM
 
I'm not so clear on what's happening with .Mac, but maybe Apple will finally add enough stuff that makes it worth $99 a year instead of my paying $60 a year for my own IMAP account/hosting.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:32 PM
 
Originally posted by galarneau:
I'm not so clear on what's happening with .Mac, but maybe Apple will finally add enough stuff that makes it worth $99 a year instead of my paying $60 a year for my own IMAP account/hosting.
looks like they are trying to get to a point (when broadband is there) so that you can log into any mac and have it sync your stuff to it.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:32 PM
 
Originally posted by osxisfun:
Dashboard: addressbook, calculator etc... hit one button to pull them all up.
"expose for widgets". Showing itunes controller, etc...
NOOOOO. They are making the GUI messy!
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:33 PM
 
Originally posted by Turias:
Aaaaaaaagh!
My thoughts exactly. I don't understand this at all. When has Apple abandoned reason for madness?

Not only are they stepping on Konfab developers' toes with this, but why is this in Tiger at all?
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:36 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Not only are they stepping on Konfab developers' toes with this ...
This happens at every WWDC. Apple finds their favorite app and incorporates it into the OS. *Points at Watson*
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:36 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
My thoughts exactly. I don't understand this at all. When has Apple abandoned reason for madness?

Not only are they stepping on Konfab developers' toes with this, but why is this in Tiger at all?
I see you guys have tried it and know exactly how it works.

     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:36 PM
 
3 (4?) WAY VIDEO CONFERENCING!!!! 10-WAY AUDIO! iChat! WHOA!
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:37 PM
 
Originally posted by bmedina:
I see you guys have tried it and know exactly how it works.

We're not claiming we have. What, we're not entitled to some premature opinions?
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:37 PM
 
Originally posted by bmedina:
I see you guys have tried it and know exactly how it works.

It's not hard, my friend, it works like Konfabulator. Where have you been living?
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:38 PM
 
Originally posted by RooneyX:
NOOOOO. They are making the GUI messy!
Yup, unfotunately I guess they figure machines are fast enough for it now and everyone can get 30" monitors.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:38 PM
 
I would even wonder if Adobe might be pushing Apple to add these functions to the toolkit, so that they can use them in their apps...
I wish, but in order to keep cross-platform consistency between the Mac and Windows versions of Photoshop the core application frameworks probably shouldn't rely on by-OS technologies, but hey here's hoping I'm wrong!
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:39 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
My thoughts exactly. I don't understand this at all. When has Apple abandoned reason for madness?

Not only are they stepping on Konfab developers' toes with this, but why is this in Tiger at all?
They are also providing an SDK so these same 'stepped on toes' can develop for DashBoard.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:39 PM
 
iChat AV getting better is BIG news. Better quality, more people. Very cool.

As for Widgets and Gadgets... let us see what it actually is (like Expose) before we pound on it.

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Jun 28, 2004, 02:39 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
but why is this in Tiger at all?
Because of Longhorn's "widget bar"
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Originally posted by crystalthunder:
I wish, but in order to keep cross-platform consistency between the Mac and Windows versions of Photoshop the core application frameworks probably shouldn't rely on by-OS technologies, but hey here's hoping I'm wrong!
They'll use CoreImage in Photoshop the same way MS now uses Address Book in Office/Entourage.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:41 PM
 
For the record, after hearing about the new iChat AV features I stood up and danced in my office for about 45 seconds.
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:41 PM
 
Originally posted by davecom:
Yup, unfotunately I guess they figure machines are fast enough for it now and everyone can get 30" monitors.
Well, Apple has to keep pushing out the updates to force everyone to buy new hardware every 3 years.
     
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Originally posted by SMacTech:
They are also providing an SDK so these same 'stepped on toes' can develop for DashBoard.
And lose money on Konfab?
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:42 PM
 
Originally posted by Turias:
We're not claiming we have. What, we're not entitled to some premature opinions?
Whats wrong witht he Widgets? If you dont like them then dont use them. Just cause you cant find a use for them doesnt mean someone else wont.

I personally think they are a cool feature.
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Originally posted by Turias:
Well, Apple has to keep pushing out the updates to force everyone to buy new hardware every 3 years.
20 inch and 23 inch monitors, I'm sure still provide plently of real estate. I'm going to buy the new 20 inch. goodbye NEC 17 inch
     
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Hmm... 20" display for my PowerBook..works right out of the box...damn you Apple and your insatiable ability to part me with my money!
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Originally posted by Jayznkelc:
20 inch and 23 inch monitors, I'm sure still provide plently of real estate. I'm going to buy the new 20 inch. goodbye NEC 17 inch
I actually expect to be making the same purchase, shortly.
     
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It looks like Apple's strategy is changing: Don't develop for the millions of users already out there.. develop for the users that will be there when they buy the new hardware to take advantage of all of this new stuff.

It makes sense.. .how else to get people to want to buy the latest and greatest G5s? Ghz alone?

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Jun 28, 2004, 02:45 PM
 
That's it?

That's really, really disappointing.

No mentions of QT7, no mentions of a new, better Finder (other than that Spotlight ****), no mentions of a new database. Apple is slacking off...the only exciting news is 64-bit, the codec, iChat and CoreImage.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:46 PM
 
Originally posted by drainyoo:
Whats wrong witht he Widgets? If you dont like them then dont use them. Just cause you cant find a use for them doesnt mean someone else wont.

I personally think they are a cool feature.
I just don't like the idea of rolling so much into the OS. It's like Apple is going the way of Windows. Leave it as an application, that way I don't have to open it. But don't force me to run the thing if I don't want to use it.
     
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The Apple Store is back online with the new displays!!!!

Check em out!!
     
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Everything is online at Apple now.
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:47 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
That's it?

That's really, really disappointing.

No mentions of QT7, no mentions of a new, better Finder (other than that Spotlight ****), no mentions of a new database. Apple is slacking off...the only exciting news is 64-bit, the codec, iChat and CoreImage.
All that's not worth it unless you have a G5 and lots of pixels on screen. Ah...I see what they want us to do.
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:47 PM
 
In fact, the whole apple.com webpages has been updated!
     
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Jun 28, 2004, 02:47 PM
 
Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
That's it?

That's really, really disappointing.

No mentions of QT7, no mentions of a new, better Finder (other than that Spotlight ****), no mentions of a new database. Apple is slacking off...the only exciting news is 64-bit, the codec, iChat and CoreImage.
Please remember that they will be having sessions where the attendees are under NDA during the week.
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