[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

It's interesting that you think a girl who starves herself, dyes her hair, undergoes painful eyebrow waxing, and buys lipstick has good self-esteem but a girl who does not do these things must have a mental illness.

Haha...

Why can't all females look like Barbie: blue eyes, long blonde hair, skinny, with a nice set of boobies.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Haha...

Why can't all females look like Barbie: blue eyes, long blonde hair, skinny, with a nice set of boobies.

Don't forget completely hairless except for the hair on their head, and maybe a landing strip downtown?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Maddow used to be quite an attractive young woman. I wonder what prompted her to want to look like a man?

I think it's because she is a lesbian.

[OAW]

Rachel Maddow in all her "butchiness" still looks more naturally female than this one here ...



OAW

[turtle777]

Wow, that's just beyond lame, even for your standards, OAW.

-t

[OAW]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Wow, that's just beyond lame, even for your standards, OAW.

-t

Hey. Call it what you want. 1.6 million hits definitely shows that I'm not the only person who has uh, "wondered" about Ms. Coulter.

In any event, if being attractive was in New York Ann Coulter is somewhere in Hawaii. Ok, maybe I'll be charitable and say she's several miles off the California coast. Those that fawn all over her and think she's so "hot" are prime examples of guys that will go for anything in a skirt as long as she's anorexic and blonde. I stand by my point ...

Rachel Maddow in all her "butchiness" still looks more feminine than Ann Coulter.

OAW

[besson3c]

OAW: one non-issue coupled with another non-issue doesn't make it an issue. Who cares how they look?

[lpkmckenna]

Why is Mary Cheney attracted to such a butch?

[subego]

Originally Posted by subego 

Sex changes as a pejorative... It's the new faggot!

Originally Posted by OAW 

Rachel Maddow in all her "butchiness" still looks more naturally female than this one here ...

Oh, for ****'s sake.

[hyteckit]

Mel Gibson leaves a voice message for Rachel Maddow.

YouTube - mel gibson rant - I NEED A WOMAN ! 2010

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

It's interesting that you think a girl who starves herself, dyes her hair, undergoes painful eyebrow waxing, and buys lipstick has good self-esteem but a girl who does not do these things must have a mental illness.

It didn't look like Rachel made a lot of effort to look like she did in the past, to be honest.

The norm is for people to try to look their best as compared to their peers. I don't think doing that reflects a lack of self esteem as much as it does a sense of pride in how they present themselves.

The point is that she choose to do a 180 and look more like a man when it appeared that she was naturally very feminine looking and attractive in the traditional sense. I was just curious as to why she made that choice.

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Why is it that short hair and t-shirt = man when many men have long hair?

I'm pretty sure there doesn't have to be specific scientific research done in order to show that the majority of men Rachel's age have shorter hair than their female counterparts, and that they way Rachel has chosen to present herself has more in common with the average male than the average female.

[subego]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

when it appeared that she was naturally very feminine looking and attractive in the traditional sense.

To repeat Andi, dyed hair and plucked eyebrows is someone looking natural?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

The point is that she choose to do a 180 and look more like a man when it appeared that she was naturally very feminine looking and attractive in the traditional sense. I was just curious as to why she made that choice.

Human nature? Last time I checked both genders have a lot of hairstyles, fashions, and types of clothing with which to customize their appearance to their liking.

[besson3c]

If you try to look your best compared to your peers because you feel like you should and because you feel uncomfortable otherwise, maybe there is a self-esteem problem. If you try to look your best *for you*, then great, but then if it is for you than whatever you think looks best should be the deciding factor. Sometimes this involves not being a sheep.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

If you try to look your best compared to your peers because you feel like you should and because you feel uncomfortable otherwise, maybe there is a self-esteem problem.

Or you believe in conformity. That seems to be stupendousman's case.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Or you believe in conformity. That seems to be stupendousman's case.

What set of emotions and/or beliefs drives people to conformity? This isn't a leading question, I'm not asserting anything in particular, just thinking out loud...

[subego]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

What set of emotions and/or beliefs drives people to conformity? This isn't a leading question, I'm not asserting anything in particular, just thinking out loud...

The foundation is an evolutionary one. Your tribe is like you. Other tribes aren't. Since not that long ago (in evolutionary terms) all other tribes were your enemy, the desire to conform was selected for as a valuable survival trait.

From there, a belief system to justify it just accretes.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by subego 

The foundation is an evolutionary one. Your tribe is like you. Other tribes aren't. Since not that long ago (in evolutionary terms) all other tribes were your enemy, the desire to conform was selected for as a valuable survival trait.

From there, a belief system to justify it just accretes.

Makes sense... Would you say that these instincts remain? Are they sort of defaults for when you don't really give them much thought, or do they make logical sense in today's world?

I realize that looking a certain way will affect the strength of the tide you swim against in life, but then again, in many occupations and pursuits there is plenty of room for individuality, and even those where individuality is *expected* (e.g. a musician or other kind of artist). The very essence of being a pundit is expressing this individuality, so I don't think that Maddow puts herself in a big disadvantage expressing her individuality this way.

Why is it though that we give certain people longer leashes in terms of how far from "norms" they can go?

[subego]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

do they make logical sense in today's world?

Absolutely not. They're horribly destructive.

Thankfully, we have the ability to chose whether to be slaves to such instincts, but I'd say the social constructs which were borne by it are often a tougher nut to crack.

[The Final Dakar]

Hmmm... I was thinking that it might represent a simplistic world view. You wear a tie to go to work, pink is a girl's color, etc. By breaking from those stereotypes/rules you break their concept of a working world (and confound them).

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Hmmm... I was thinking that it might represent a simplistic world view. You wear a tie to go to work, pink is a girl's color, etc. By breaking from those stereotypes/rules you break their concept of a working world (and confound them).

Mr. Burns: Why is that man wearing pink? Smithers, who is that?
Smithers: Homer Simpson, one of your boobs from sector 7-G.
Mr. Burns: Simpson, eh? Judging from his attire, he must be some kind of free-thinking anarchist.
Smithers: I'll alert security.
Mr. Burns: Excellent! These color monitors are already paying for themselves.

[Doofy]

Melissa finds herself slightly bemused by this thread.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Madcow who ?

-t

It's that guy on MSNBC.

[andi*pandi]

What does anybody look like without makeup?

http://www.dove.us/#/features/videos...entid=7049579]

[hyteckit]

Women who wear pants and have short hair have mental issues.

All women should wear dress, skirts, and have long hair.

The men should wear the pants and the women should be in the kitchen with an apron on making them sandwiches.

[hyteckit]

Women who wear earrings have mental issues.

Women who have piecing have mental issues.

Women who have tattoos have mental issues.

[hyteckit]

Guys who wear dresses? Mental issues.

[Laminar]

That's our hyteckit.

[turtle777]

In short: hyteckit has mental issues

-t

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Women who wear pants and have short hair have mental issues.

All women who aren't fatties should wear dresses, skirts or daisy-dukes and have long hair.

The men should wear the pants and the women should be in the kitchen wearing nothing but an apron, making them sandwiches.

Fixinated.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Melissa finds herself slightly bemused by this thread.

What a harlot. The Good Book tells me that women that wear makeup are harlots, and it's never steered me wrong.

[Doofy]

Stick to your Maddows then, fool.
And I'll stick to my walking Maybelline ads.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

In short: hyteckit has mental issues

-t

Someone who keeps asking "madcow who" every-time someone mentions maddow, has mental issues.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Someone who keeps asking "madcow who" every-time someone mentions maddow, has mental issues.

Everytime ?

Yet another sign that you have issues...

-t

[hyteckit]

Weird. I'm getting highly targeted ads.

Classic Girl

Pink top, white dress, long blonde hair.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Fixinated.

Have you ever been in love with a woman before, Doofy? Tell us all about it, you can open up to us...

[hyteckit]

Ukrainian women army.

WTF? How are they going to fight in high heels? Looks more like sexy stewardess.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Ukrainian women army.

WTF? How are they going to fight in high heels? Looks more like sexy stewardess.

No need for them to fight. If they invaded my hometown I'd surrender faster than a Frenchman.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by subego 

To repeat Andi, dyed hair and plucked eyebrows is someone looking natural?

For a woman, yes.

Men also get their hair done and shave on a regular basis.

Good grooming isn't unnatural. It's a sign you take pride in your appearance.

[The Final Dakar]

What about Maddow's current look is "poor" grooming? Do you think she doesn't take pride in her current appearance?

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Women who wear pants and have short hair have mental issues.

All women should wear dress, skirts, and have long hair.

The men should wear the pants and the women should be in the kitchen with an apron on making them sandwiches.

Complete and utter strawman.

Rachel chose to look naturally feminine and attractive in the traditional sense as a younger woman. For some reason, she chose to do a 180 and adopt an appearance closer to that of the average human male. I never said that she had to conform to anything. Though, what standards we do choose to conform to normally says a lot about our mindset.

There are reasons other than one's mindset that might cause such a thing (abnormal hair loss...excess of male hormones causing things like facial hair, etc.), and if anyone knows of any kind of genetic abnormality or physical ailment Maddow has which caused her to adopt a traditionally male appearance, I'd be glad to hear them.

Otherwise, I was curious what kind of mental changes she underwent that made her decide to adopt such a radically different presentation of herself.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

What about Maddow's current look is "poor" grooming? Do you think she doesn't take pride in her current appearance?

I didn't say she didn't. She looks very well groomed both in the "before" and "after" shots.

However, she appears to be more a well groomed man than a well groomed women in the second shot, as far as the "norm" goes. I was curious why she decided to go with the "well groomed man" image.

[The Final Dakar]

I bet she has email. Maybe you should email her.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

I bet she has email. Maybe you should email her.

Heh...

Dear Ms. Maddow,

I'm just wondering, I'm not a fan of your show or anything like that, but why do you choose to groom yourself like a man?

Sincerely,
stupendousman



I'm sure she will be in complete ruins knowing that she doesn't conform to stupendousman's beliefs as to what "normal" grooming entails.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

I was curious why she decided to go with the "well groomed man" image.

It's easier, duh. All she needs is Homer Simpson's makeup gun, for the modern woman who only has four fifths of a second to get ready

"Women won't like getting shot in the face"
"Women will like what I tell them to like"

[andi*pandi]

When I was in high school, I had feathered permed hair, pink frost lipstick, blue eyeliner, and upturned collars. When I was in college I went for long straight hair, dark dark clothes, and red red lipstick. After college my wardrobe and hair choices changed again, and well, haven't changed much since.

Is that an example of mental/hormonal disturbance, or just growing into a sense of self, apart from the tribe? Doesn't everyone do that? Boys too? Is there pressure in high school to conform to the tribe (answer: yes)? Do people after high school rebel a little style-wise? Was she on her way to a softball game and didn't feel the need for lip gloss or a camisole?

All good questions. You could even put some in your letter!

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

When I was in high school, I had feathered permed hair, pink frost lipstick, blue eyeliner, and upturned collars. When I was in college I went for long straight hair, dark dark clothes, and red red lipstick. After college my wardrobe and hair choices changed again, and well, haven't changed much since.

Is that mental disturbance, or just growing into a sense of self apart from the tribe? Doesn't everyone do that? Boys too? Is there pressure in high school to conform to the tribe (answer: yes)? Do people after high school rebel a little style-wise? Was she on her way to a softball game and didn't feel the need for lip gloss or a camisole?

The obvious answer is who we are (and present ourselves as) in high school rarely is the definitive or final statement. We are still growing and maturing for some time after (we never stop, but I would argue there is a spurt from, let's say, 14-22, and even later) and as a result who we are, both internally and externally is quite malleable and subject to revision.


...and that's not even figuring in if your financials change during that time.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

...and that's not even figuring in if your financials change during that time.

[The Final Dakar]

Exactly.

[besson3c]

Abe?