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View Poll Results: Which is the best current e-mail client and why?
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Apple Mail 3 (Why? Please respond.) 24 votes (80.00%)
Microsoft Entourage 2008 (Why? Please respond.) 4 votes (13.33%)
Mozilla Thunderbird 2 (Why? Please respond.) 2 votes (6.67%)
Other (Of course, please specify) 0 votes (0%)
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Mail 3 (Leopard) v. Entourage 2008 v. Thunderbird 2
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NormPhillips
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Feb 1, 2008, 05:13 PM
 
Well, I bought Microsoft Office 2008 the day it came out. For the most part, I'm pretty happy with it. On my Intel Mac, it is faster and more stable. It also now supports the Office 'X' (2007/2008) format (.docx, .xlcx, .pptx) and includes a bunch of other features. However, besides some of the interface 'improvements', Entourage was not improved much. I figure it may be time to switch my e-mail client, but I wanted everyone's feedback, what do you think?

Which is better? And why? Please list your reasons below.
     
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Feb 1, 2008, 05:39 PM
 
Mail. It just works. Works nicely with ~50k emails in a mailbox.
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Feb 2, 2008, 05:19 AM
 
Mail 3, it looks clean, polished and I like getting the RSS feeds there.
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 08:32 AM
 
I like mail simply because it works correctly with time machine, needs no tweaking and does not look like Eudora (I spent much of my life tweaking this app to my specifications).

All other mail apps look like Eudora or Claris eMailer, and remind me of the dark days of Apple, so Mail.app wins.
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 08:49 AM
 
Entourage is completely out of the question as long as Microsoft sticks with the monolithic database approach - makes it incompatible with Time Machine (that is, one new e-mail comes in and the entire multi-gigabyte database must be backed up *again* every time) and ensures that a problem with a single e-mail is capable of completely fucing up the entire database, losing *everything*.

I've been weaning customers and clients off Outlook derivates ever since one of my clients discovered the 2GB database file size limit the hard way - by losing ALL her business e-mail. (I believe this limit has since been lifted, but I ain't tryin' it out.)

Also, data detectors in Mail 3 ****ing ROCK - the integration with Address Book and iCal databases is extremely practical.
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 01:35 PM
 
Mail.app works well with Gmail & IMAP. It is well integrated with Address Book, iCal etc...Thunderbird seemed slow using IMAP.
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Feb 2, 2008, 01:36 PM
 
Like analogika said, I've seen plenty of people discover the 2GB Outlook 2000 limitation the hard way. Outlook 2003 w/ NTFS fixes this.
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 04:44 PM
 
Thunderbird if you need advanced IMAP features and and textbook IMAP behavior, Mail if this isn't as important to you.
     
eggman
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Feb 2, 2008, 07:36 PM
 
Like everyone says, Entourage's monolithic database is bad both from a stability point of view... and is undesirable if using Time Machine.

Sorry, Microsoft, I don't want to back up everything on my system using one mechanism (Time Machine) and my email messages using a different one.

I used Entourage for years and the only feature that I'm missing is the ability to run Rules on outgoing messages. Other than that, I like the modular Mail/iCal/Address Book approach.
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 08:33 PM
 
Despite Entourage's database, I've used it since the beta v.X and really like it. Using 2008 since it was released. I occasionally try others like Mail and Thunderbird (I love its smoothness with IMAP).
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 09:10 PM
 
I use Mail on my employer's Exchange server. I *LOVE* it. The data detectors and iCal integration are a great function for me. The addressing and LDAP features work very well also.

I'm actually most thrilled with Mail more than anything else since my upgrade to Leopard. I have Entourage 2008 and still prefer Mail. I was nervous about the Exchange support, but it's even better than Mail's IMAP, which was dismal and unusable (I know Mail's Exchange support is IMAP but it just seems to play better with the Exchange server since we moved to it).

I guess it depends on your needs. I miss out on our calendaring features because Entourage supports it and Mail doesn't. Since I use iCal, this is not an issue for me.
     
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Feb 2, 2008, 09:22 PM
 
Even though Mail offers "Exchange support" (which, AFAIK, is really nothing), there have been some users on our network that have reported having problems with the latest version of Exchange server. Why this is, I'm not sure - probably MS taking liberties with standards compliance again.
     
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Feb 3, 2008, 12:10 AM
 
That is interesting. Mail might work for me because the university at which I work has been doing a steady migration over the last 3-4 years to the Exchange/Active Directory groupware. The Windows clients are Outlook 2003. My hunch is that they're also using an earlier version of the Exchange server and thus Mail works better.

Is there a way to find out what version the server software is without bugging a sysop?
     
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Feb 3, 2008, 02:01 AM
 
Not that I know of, I'm not a Windows guy, sorry!

How many students/staff/faculty have email accounts on Exchange?
     
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Feb 3, 2008, 10:08 AM
 
I voted for Apple mail because I like the integration with iCal and Address Book and "it just works". Never had a problem with it.
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Feb 3, 2008, 12:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by El Maestro View Post
Is there a way to find out what version the server software is without bugging a sysop?
Usually the Exchange webmail interface will key you in on what major version of Exchange is running. For example, webmail for 2003 looks substantially different (and newer) than for the previous version.



     
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Feb 3, 2008, 12:54 PM
 
It looks like Exchange will be around for a while. Zimbra has been doing well as an Exchange competitor/alternative, but it was bought by Yahoo, and there are talks now of Microsoft buying Yahoo. Part of Zimbra is open source, so this would live on regardless, but I'm sure that MS would do its part to keep the growth of Zimbra under its careful control.

It's a shame that Exchange has such a stranglehold on Enterprise Groupware...
     
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Feb 3, 2008, 01:31 PM
 
Mail. Why? It's simple, elegant, and does everything I need.
     
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Feb 4, 2008, 02:52 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Not that I know of, I'm not a Windows guy, sorry!

How many students/staff/faculty have email accounts on Exchange?
The Exchange accounts are for faculty and staff only. I would estimate that there are about 5,000 total accounts when all is said and done.

After looking at our web interface, we are clearly using a version from 2003 or thereabouts.
     
   
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