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Dec 4, 2014, 02:20 PM
 
Hey all, I have no idea if a mod won't like this post. But I'm sure most of you remember me enough to know that I'm not some sort of spam bot.

Anyway, an organization that I'm involved with is doing a fund raising drive to fund our budget for next year. And I know a lot of you guys make more money than you know what to do with responsibly.

Bell Tower Community Café

Yes the event takes place at a Church, and yes a lot of the people involved are Christian. But this isn't done with an evangelistic bend or anything like that, nobody is preached to on Bell Tower nights, and nobody is turned away for any reason.
     
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Dec 4, 2014, 02:26 PM
 
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Dec 4, 2014, 04:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by Salty View Post
And I know a lot of you guys make more money than you know what to do with responsibly.
Congrats!!! That's now #1 on my list of stupid ways to ask people to give you money.
     
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Dec 4, 2014, 04:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
Congrats!!! That's now #1 on my list of stupid ways to ask people to give you money.
Yeah, I have no words for that.
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Oh, you started up another dating service?
     
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Dec 5, 2014, 01:16 AM
 
This could only be beat by Ca$h coming here to ask for donations for his latest boat mod.

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Dec 5, 2014, 02:31 AM
 
Yeah providing food hampers to 100 families every two weeks is totally the same as doing a boat mod. Did you guys even check out the video?
     
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Dec 5, 2014, 08:50 AM
 
Nope.
     
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Dec 5, 2014, 05:02 PM
 
Sorry. Too busy checking my privilege.
     
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Dec 6, 2014, 03:22 PM
 
Too busy spending my money irresponsibly.

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Dec 6, 2014, 05:22 PM
 
My wife and I certainly aren't rich, but our charitable endeavors are going to our local community.
     
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Dec 6, 2014, 11:05 PM
 
Uh, no. I don't donate much at all, but all of my money goes to funding cancer research programs.
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Dec 7, 2014, 02:43 AM
 
I'm too poor, from quantitative easing inflation. If it gets any worse I might have to stop by for a food hamper.
     
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Dec 7, 2014, 03:01 AM
 
We've helped open 4 new food pantries in the last month in 2 counties, with 3 more planned by year end. It's all getting worse, a lot worse.
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Dec 7, 2014, 03:10 AM
 
Yeah we've noticed the need in Winnipeg is getting pretty rough. It doesn't help that our government keeps giving tax cuts to the rich who aren't putting any of that money back into the communities they exist in.
     
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Dec 7, 2014, 08:55 AM
 
Dig deeper Salty !!!
     
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Dec 7, 2014, 02:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
We've helped open 4 new food pantries in the last month in 2 counties, with 3 more planned by year end. It's all getting worse, a lot worse.
That sounds awfully irresponsible of you, better send your money off to Canada!!
     
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Dec 7, 2014, 02:55 PM
 
Don't they like mostly eat polar bears and caribou up there? Must be a shortage of those going on.
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Dec 7, 2014, 03:52 PM
 
Salty: I suggest waiting for a week or two and giving this thread a do-over.

Since I hate to let a perfectly good thread go to waste, I'm thinking what I will do for Christmas this year is make a bunch of special moulds of my penis and give them to poor and homeless people so that they can sell these online and make a lot of money. My favorite mould so far is one I'm calling the "Statue of Liberty".
     
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Dec 7, 2014, 04:57 PM
 
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Dec 7, 2014, 11:13 PM
 
For the record, I said lots of you, not all of you. And it was clearly a joke.

For all of those who are claiming that my joke didn't have any truth to it, wanna share even the names of the charities you support and how much? You're all protesting a lil bit much.
     
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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
For all of those who are claiming that my joke didn't have any truth to it, wanna share even the names of the charities you support and how much? You're all protesting a lil bit much.
Please, let's not, this will become a dumb game of stupid in short order.
     
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Dec 8, 2014, 02:44 AM
 
No come on, we've got a bunch of self-righteous philanthropists who I'm betting really suck at checking their privilege. So let's hear it people. You don't have to go into much detail. How many children do you sponsor? What part of your income that's more than you need to survive do you set aside for charity? How many hours a week do you volunteer with inner city kids? How much do you give to organizations that help battered women? How often do you even donate to your local food bank?

I'm around people who give until it hurts on a really regular basis. And the vast majority of them who hear something like the joke I made up there, would laugh and say, "You know what, most people can do more." Heck half of them have such a lousy sense of guilt about their success that they feel like they should be giving more. (Which is one of the reasons you generally don't make that joke around them.) There's not many who would get nearly as self defensive as you all.

So let's put your charity where your mouth is, what do you all do? I'm specifically looking for responses from Mattyb, Laminar, and Turtle.

(And for the record, I don't run the food bank, I just volunteer at it, on average 8 or more hours every two weeks.)
     
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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
So let's put your charity where your mouth is, what do you all do? I'm specifically looking for responses from Mattyb, Laminar, and Turtle.
I'm not sure why I'm even responding to this.

I give to all kinds of charities and non-profits, mainly faith based, here and overseas (food pantries are among them). Enough to cut my effective tax rate in half. 'Nuff said.

The reason why I posted a critical response is because of the WAY you came across. Clearly it was a joke. And clearly, it was in bad taste.

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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
Yeah we've noticed the need in Winnipeg is getting pretty rough. It doesn't help that our government keeps giving tax cuts to the rich who aren't putting any of that money back into the communities they exist in.
Based on your own criteria, I would like specific examples of this tax cutting and money hoarding. Thanks.
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Dec 8, 2014, 10:52 AM
 
What's with the unpleasantness? Salty was fundraising for what's most likely a very good cause.

Is this the right time, the right tone of voice and the right place for that? Most probably not.
Should you all rip him a new one for that? Most definitely not. 'Tis the season for charity and that charity should, IMO, extend to the charity of the mind.
     
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Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
What's with the unpleasantness? Salty was fundraising for what's most likely a very good cause.

Is this the right time, the right tone of voice and the right place for that? Most probably not.
Should you all rip him a new one for that? Most definitely not. 'Tis the season for charity and that charity should, IMO, extend to the charity of the mind.
You are right. I'm certainly guilty of that.

Alas, this is the 'NN Lounge. This is not the place to expect loads of warm and fuzzy.

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Dec 8, 2014, 03:45 PM
 
Here you go Salty.

     
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Dec 8, 2014, 03:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by Salty View Post
For the record, I said lots of you, not all of you. And it was clearly a joke.
No, it was an insult. Some insults can be jokes, but this one wasn't.
     
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Dec 8, 2014, 05:49 PM
 
I read it as a joke, just a really snotty one.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
No, it was an insult. Some insults can be jokes, but this one wasn't.
I feel like you've forgotten what it's like when I insult you. Generally there's a lot more characters involved. I'm likely to point out that if you don't agree with me, that you're somehow deficient. I might call you an asshat. (By the way, you're an asshat.)

I generally don't make an effort to insult people by commenting that they have too much wealth or that they're somehow not charitable enough.

Also if one person chooses to donate to what is in fact a worthy cause, then that makes it worth it. (By the way you're still an asshat) And as far as checking my privilege, what privilege do you feel I have that you don't? Or are you so privileged that you don't even know what checking one's privilege is?

Are you not white? Are you straight? Because I'm gay which certainly gives you a hell of a lot more privilege in our world than it gives me. (Though I do get sassy privilege ... though that's fairly universally recognized to be necessary for coping with my absolute garbage sense of self worth, partially resulting from growing up in a world of self absorbed heteros) Am I somehow older than you? If I remember correctly you're older than I am. Are you under the impression that I'm somehow horribly wealthy and help because of guilt? I recently quit my day job because the new manager of our department was a total autocrat and now I should probably be freaking out about finding another job, but I've got a couple grand in the bank right now ... then I'll probably start freaking out if I'm not successfully making money in a more healthy manner, and may end up having to move back to my parent's basement.

So please, (asshat) can you kindly tell me exactly what privilege I'm not checking that's offended you? Or can we both agree that you're going to learn how to use the English language a lot better?

(That's what it looks like when I mean to insult you. For everyone who isn't Laminar, feel free to donate to a great cause )
     
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Dec 9, 2014, 03:04 AM
 
Also, I didn't post on NN because I thought it would be a great place for people to tell me how great I am for helping out with Bell Tower. I came here because like I said, several people on here have lots of money. I've seen several of you post about completely reckless uses of money, and I've seen some comment on their own charitable giving. It's really not so unreasonable. And like I said, if for all of this, somebody even donates 50 bucks, that'd be awesome. Personally, like I said since I'm now unemployed, I can't give and if I tried to the minister running the campaign would probably get ticked off at me. Though I did do an illustration that will hopefully be up on the campaign over the next few days.
     
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Not a lot of good karma flowing here. Feel free to lock this thread any time, admins.

...any time.

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It's admirable you volunteer time for your community, it beats being the people who sit around demanding government solve every problem. There was no foul until you started demanding people prove they donate money... I think you were offended more than anyone else... you joked... everyone else joked etc....

Thing is most people have already given to charities in their own communities. It's hard to resist them these days. Charities for every possible cause are rammed down everyone's throat at the work place and on the street. Your charity has about 50 similar if not duplicate charities in every city across America and usually it's locals that support these type of charities.

I support the environment. If the environment is clean and intact there should be no starving people, and very few sick people. Most the world problems can be fixed by saving the environment. A number of weed species in everyone's yard are edible (and healthier than what you might by at the store), pigeons, squires, fish, crawdads and bugs are edible, and healthier than most food at the store. IE keep the fish stocks high and everyone should have plenty of healthy food to eat... for free... if they know how to fish.
     
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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
So please, (asshat) can you kindly tell me exactly what privilege I'm not checking that's offended you? Or can we both agree that you're going to learn how to use the English language a lot better?
Where did this come from? You're the one that jumped in here going all Tumblr SJW on everyone telling them to check their privilege, I'm not sure why you think I'm telling you to check yours.

That's what it looks like when I mean to insult you.
Your insults look like you being emo about how hard your life is? Color me underwhelmed.
     
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Dec 9, 2014, 03:59 PM
 
I generally don't make an effort to insult people by commenting that they have too much wealth.

But when I do...
     
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I went from being confused, to slightly insulted, to mostly sympathetic.

I'm abandoning ship and unsubscribing. Good luck to Salty, and for everyone who is giving back, keep up the good work.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
What do you think this is?
     
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Dec 9, 2014, 10:09 PM
 
As an ambassador to your cause, you are failing to inspire generosity or even curiousity about the cause. There's lots of charities nearby that don't employ a Jerky Boys routine as a selling point.
     
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As a person who's sat through a lot of NPO presentations, although I've encountered a good deal of anguish and righteous indignation I've never been directly insulted during one before. Well, actually there was this one time, I cut the meeting short because the guy was was clearly stoned off his ass and incoherent, then he became belligerent. I believe he was with the Sierra club.
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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
What do you think this is?
Your opening gambit in animated GIF form.

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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
As an ambassador to your cause, you are failing to inspire generosity or even curiousity about the cause. There's lots of charities nearby that don't employ a Jerky Boys routine as a selling point.
Yes, clearly a light hearted joke is the entire problem here. Not the narcissistic ego bukake that is the lounge.
     
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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
Yes, clearly a light hearted joke is the entire problem here. Not the narcissistic ego bukake that is the lounge.
Good point, Salty. Everything wrong in your world is the fault of someone else.
     
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Good point, Salty. Everything wrong in your world is the fault of someone else.
Well something has to be the problem, either it's over all a very base, general overall inoffensive joke when compared with the vast majority of things that are often said on this forum. Or it's you.

Fun fact, if you research cognitive behavioural therapy, one of the most common distortions people make is to personalize. (Another that you're doing is to maximize where you pretend that something that really is not a big deal is a HUGE deal) So for me to take ownership of your childish choice to take offence at what clearly was a joke that no reasonable person would take offence at, that would be personalization. That would be me deciding that the way that you choose to feel is my fault. But the way that you choose to feel is your choice. It's an internet forum, you're allowed to GTFU.

So, over the last while, I've been working on my depression, an I'm actually starting to feel worlds better. I highly recommend the book "Feeling Good" it's on Amazon. Perhaps you can deal with your issues the way that I'm dealing with mine.

So you're sort of right. Not everything wrong in the world is somebody else's fault, but the vast majority of it, is not healthy for me to take ownership of. But you have fun with your distorted perspectives. Again, check out the book, studies have shown it's better at relieving depression than prescriptions. And the fact that you still feel a need to be tied to a place that's just brimming with persistent negative distortions suggests you could probably use it
     
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Dec 12, 2014, 08:37 AM
 
As I read through this thread I thought, "I think the only thing that can save it now is for Salty to start recommending self-help advice to others". Boom. Back on the rails.

Good luck with your community charity. As others have pointed out, you should concentrate on motivating your local community, who can see and appreciate first-hand all the good work that is being done.
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I think the two people on MacNN that seek out the most fights are Laminar and Turtle. Therefore, I wish for them to fight each other just to see what would happen. How can we make this happen?

P.S. Laminar, Turtle did tell me one time that you are usually wrong about everything.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I think the two people on MacNN that seek out the most fights are Laminar and Turtle. Therefore, I wish for them to fight each other just to see what would happen. How can we make this happen?
I'm not sure if I should give a rat's ass, or respond with a personal attack.

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