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Jan 27, 2016, 06:55 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
It turns out the GJ did not vote on charges, most likely because the DA did not present any.
AP report: Houston grand jury didn't vote on charges against Planned Parenthood | Catholic World Report - Global Church news and views
Interesting. Sounds like the same tactic used by the DA in the Tamir Rice case. The question now becomes why would a Republican DA handle it like that?

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Interesting. Sounds like the same tactic used by the DA in the Tamir Rice case. The question now becomes why would a Republican DA handle it like that?

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Money. The lawyer who represented the abortion doctor in an earlier case was a campaign donor. BTW I was listen to Immaculate Heart radio yesterday and it turns out Anderson belongs to a branch of Presbyterians that are pro abortion. That makes sense because what I have seen from net searches she is left of center. Think Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine.
So, the lawyer who is a major donor to Anderson (and her late husband, the former DA, Mike Anderson), represented an abortionist, Douglas Karpen, who faced charges in 2013 of "delivering live fetuses during third-trimester abortions and killing them by either snipping their spinal cord, stabbing a surgical instrument into their heads or 'twisting their heads off their necks with his own bare hands'." Karpen claimed it was a set-up by Operation Rescue, while Operation Rescue pointed to Karpen's history, the testimony of four former employees, and photographs—more than what proved sufficient to convict Kermit Gosnells in Philadelphia in 2013.

Further, in March 2015 Don Hooper of BigJollyPolitics.com, a conservative website focused on corruption in Texas politics, reported that Lewis donated over $25,000 to Devon Anderson in 2014 alone and that $12,000 he had donated in 2012 and 2013 to her husband (who died in August 2013 of cancer) was transferred to her campaign account. Coincidence? Curiosity?
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
BTW I was listen to Immaculate Heart radio yesterday and it turns out Anderson belongs to a branch of Presbyterians that are pro abortion. That makes sense because what I have seen from net searches she is left of center.
Believable, because she is in Houston, but I would note, while that liberality is enough to get PP off the hook, going after CMP is a whole 'nother ballgame.

Second, attacking her credibility through her choice of church is pretty shady. Plus, if you go down that route, doesn't that mean no lawyer can be considered objective because they are all likely to have a stance on abortion?
     
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They really, REALLY don't want this to go to trial.
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@NinaTotenberg: Texas legislator says, fewer clinics? Women who live 100s of miles away should "be more careful" and "not get pregnant" #SCOTUS #abortion.
No health insurance? Poor should "be more careful" and "not get sick/hurt."
     
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Mar 2, 2016, 11:57 AM
 
The 12th video has been posted.
     
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Mar 2, 2016, 10:24 PM
 
Still pissing into the hurricane?
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Still have your head in the sand?.
     
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Mar 4, 2016, 05:59 AM
 
The videos have been debunked so hard the producers got prosecuted. I suppose its all a liberal government conspiracy?
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The videos have been debunked so hard the producers got prosecuted. I suppose its all a liberal government conspiracy?
No, the footage has not been debunked, and there were two people charged. Both were offered deals to plead to misdemeanors. They turned down the deals and want to go to trial.


LOPEZ: “Coalfire’s analysis of the recorded media files contained on the flash drive indicates that the video recordings are authentic and show no evidence of manipulation or editing.” But that is in absolute contrast with what Planned Parenthood argues. Who is to be believed?

MATTOX: It’s in contrast to what Planned Parenthood and its allies argue, but it’s actually consistent with Planned Parenthood’s own report. The Fusion GPS report commissioned by Planned Parenthood confirms that the audio is not tampered with and that its “analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation.” Coalfire confirms that finding, looking even at the raw source footage. But where the Fusion GPS report only had access to the full videos on YouTube and raised suspicion about the “edits” in those videos, Coalfire looked at the full raw footage and confirmed David Daleiden’s explanation that the “edits” to the full videos that CMP has posted on YouTube are “non-pertinent.” CMP only cut from its raw footage “commuting, waiting, adjusting recording equipment, meals, and restroom breaks.” And it provided screenshots to prove this is what is “missing.” CMP also confirmed that one section of video that GPS claimed was missing and that included exculpatory statements was uploaded to YouTube over a month ago even though Planned Parenthood and media sources continue to suggest otherwise.

Read more at: Planned Parenthood Videos -- Not Deceptive, Forensic Analysis Confirms | National Review Online
Digital Forensics Analysis Report by Coalfire Systems Inc.
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Mar 4, 2016, 01:36 PM
 
The content hasn't been debunked, what's been attacked are the methods by which it was obtained and how it's presented. I personally find the manner it was obtained to be outrageous, because I don't believe the ends justify the means. However, that's an environment that's been fostered by Regressives for years, not caring how they achieve a desired result, just as long as they get what they want. Their chickens are coming home to roost and now ideological enemies are using their strategies (Rules For Radicals has been in the top 10 of conservative book lists of late). Many "radical" conservatives are now going to be using the tools that have been so successful for socialists and labor groups for decades. Think about the implications for a minute.
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Apr 6, 2016, 06:23 PM
 
CA AG orders the home of CMP founder raided same day this is posted. CA AG Harris is running for US senate.
     
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May 24, 2016, 02:58 PM
 
It looks like the charges against CMP will soon be dismissed due prosecutorial misconduct.
Exclusive: Planned Parenthood Lawyer Denies Collusion, Admits DA Gave Him Video
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Saw this on the feed this morning and it's shockingly tragic. The local priest was on vacation and a visiting priest was there to fill in... Wow, you know he has to feel some serious survivor guilt.
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Saw this on the feed this morning and it's shockingly tragic. The local priest was on vacation and a visiting priest was there to fill in... Wow, you know he has to feel some serious survivor guilt.
Sorry, wrong link.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/br...n-and-sandra-m
     
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Congressional panel refers pp gulf coast for indictment.
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Jun 1, 2017, 09:14 PM
 
These people are ghouls. YouTube pulled the video after a few hours. We'll see how long it takes Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/prolifeacti...8803278780008/
     
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Jun 2, 2017, 04:36 AM
 
So much for my breakfast plans this morning.
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Jun 2, 2017, 06:40 AM
 
You guys are just showing your ignorance of medicine.
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Jun 2, 2017, 07:11 AM
 
I need a summary.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
You guys are just showing your ignorance of medicine.
WTF? Because talk of dismembering unborn people ruins my appetite? I suppose not all of us have a cast iron stomach, like yourself.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
I need a summary.
Abortion professionals talking about demand for fetus parts, how to properly dislodge stuck skulls, and what to do when the "slurry" is too thick and jams their vacuums. You know, normal stuff.
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Jun 2, 2017, 08:08 AM
 
I know "normal stuff" is meant to be sarcastic, but it speaks to the question of whether there are any new revelations.

From the last time this discussion made the rounds... assuming there's no profit involved, I can't justify wasting the remains, even if it's ghoulish.
     
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Jun 2, 2017, 08:20 AM
 
Given the innumerable ways a business can hide profits, it would be nigh impossible to know for sure. I'm not sure what's considered "new", but they sure were concerned over the high demand from stem cell facilities.

(Sorry if I'm cranky, it's my infusion day.)
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Jun 2, 2017, 09:04 AM
 
The possibility of shenanigans is a legit question. No argument there.
     
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Near the end, one of the "providers" talks about "increasing profits"
     
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Jun 3, 2017, 10:27 AM
 
Its not a nice thing to have to do. Most of the people who do it probably do so because they believe its important for one reason or another. People who do jobs or procedures that are inherently unpleasant often learn to joke about their work as a coping mechanism. Its the same with medical examiners, mortuary technicians, anatomy instructors, embalmers etc. These are people working in the same field able to relax and talk candidly with others who they know understand their work and can relate, rather than ordinary people and fanatics who throw their hands in the air, and between high-pitched shrieks, their lunch onto whatever happens to be standing in front of them.

This is shop talk. Nothing more than that. If you're still struggling to understand it, try equating it to locker room talk about rape which one or two of you had absolutley zero issues with dismissing completely out of hand without any hint of nausea.

As for discussing profits, isn't that what the American healthcare industry is all about? If its a private clinic or provider, why should things be any different for this procedure? They can boost profits by adding cable TV to their rooms or increasing their reputation for discretion when clients are wealthy. When you have footage of them saying "We needed to boost profits so we put GHB in the water at the local Catholic girls' school and then re-routed the college swim teams' bus." then you can be outraged.
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Jun 3, 2017, 12:51 PM
 
Plannned Parenthood is a nonprofit.
Atypical "shop talk". "Is that the fetus or the uterus" and "an eyeball fell into my lap"
Talking about the need to rip off limbs so it won't be an "intact procedure"
     
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Jun 3, 2017, 01:07 PM
 
I'm not the biggest fan of PP by any stretch, but was it actually shown anywhere there's an appreciable profit margin involved?

Show me the markup, preferably in non-video form.
     
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Actually thats exactly the kind of shop talk I'd expect. Telling exactly what you have a hold of with your forceps with only an ultrasound to go on is not as easy as professionals make it look and every body they work on is significantly different. Its not like working on a car. Maybe if you didn't know the make and model and were wearing a blindfold.
As for the eyeball, gross stuff happens in medicine. Its a varied field so the grossness varies from people puking and shitting and bleeding all over you to cadavers falling apart in disturbing or even amusing ways. If something like that happened to you, you'd probably want to tell someone about it. And you'd want to tell someone who would get it because they once found a human finger in their shoe or whatever. Not someone who is going to tell them they should go to jail or hell.

I'm assuming "intact procedure" has some kind of legal ramifications. Without knowing exactly what those are, it sounds like the sort of risk a doctor might take to save a patient from either guilt, stress or prosecution. Or to save themselves and the patient from extra judgment of some type.
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I accept that abortion is a necessary evil for a free society, but I won't shy away from what it really is: killing.
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What kind of people are those who think its somehow OK to kill what might have been their children?
What kind of decision making is that?
     
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I accept that abortion is a necessary evil for a free society, but I won't shy away from what it really is: killing.
I agree, but there's definitely a continuum. Just what exactly is getting killed I believe is different at 12 weeks than it is at 24.
     
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What kind of people are those who think its somehow OK to kill what might have been their children?
What kind of decision making is that?
There are people who have abortions who think it's okay, and there are those who have them who think they're not. The former I would say are using highly flawed reasoning.

Some of this can be laid at the feet of the pro-choice movement. Abortion is complicated, and when it consistently gets reduced to five word slogans, the nuance often gets buried.

My ex is turbo pro-choice, and part of her experience with that was growing up assuming she'd have an abortion at some point. She ultimately had the tools available to realize that's insane, but not everyone does.
     
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I think the sick part was crowds & audiences laughing while jokes were being made about eyeballs falling onto their laps, how sharp crushed skulls were, and ripping apart cervixes etc.. I think it's hypocritical that this same crowd whines about how unempathetic people are to snarling self righteous liberals while they themselves show the least amount of empathy of anybody. God forbid a guy talk about how women want him to grab their pussy or sign their boobs because he's a celebrity, thats just mean, in fact it's it's it's RAPE!... but this should be simply written off as shop talk. evil evil evil. Dont watch the video, unless you want proof that Satan really does exist.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
I accept that abortion is a necessary evil for a free society, but I won't shy away from what it really is: killing.
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What kind of people are those who think its somehow OK to kill what might have been their children?
What kind of decision making is that?
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I agree, but there's definitely a continuum. Just what exactly is getting killed I believe is different at 12 weeks than it is at 24.
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There are people who have abortions who think it's okay, and there are those who have them who think they're not. The former I would say are using highly flawed reasoning.

Some of this can be laid at the feet of the pro-choice movement. Abortion is complicated, and when it consistently gets reduced to five word slogans, the nuance often gets buried.

My ex is turbo pro-choice, and part of her experience with that was growing up assuming she'd have an abortion at some point. She ultimately had the tools available to realize that's insane, but not everyone does.
This bears reposting. 12, 24 or after 40 weeks........

Before you say "slippery slope," they are already close to doing this in the Netherlands and Belgium.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...anize-children

DEAR MOM . . .
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Dear Mom:
Can you believe it is already the year 2023? I’m still writing ’22 on everything! It seems like only yesterday that I was sitting in the first grade and celebrating the change to a new century.
I know we really haven’t chatted since Christmas, Mom, and I’m sorry. Anyway, I have some difficult news to share with you and, to be honest, I really didn’t want to call or talk about this face to face.
But before I get to that, let me report that Ted just got a big promotion, and I should be up for a hefty raise this year if I keep putting in all those crazy hours. You know how I work at it. (Yes, we’re still struggling to pay the bills.)
Little Timmy’s been okay at kindergarten, although he complains about going. But then, he wasn’t happy about the day-care center either. So what can we do?

He’s been a real problem, Mom. He’s a good kid, but quite honestly, he’s an unfair burden on us at this time in our lives.Ted and I have talked this through, and we have finally made a choice. Plenty of other families have made the same choice and are really better off today.Our pastor is supportive of our choice. He pointed out the family is a system, and the demands of one member shouldn’t be allowed to ruin the whole. The pastor told us to be prayerful and to consider all the factors as to what is right to make our family work. He says that even though he probably wouldn’t do it himself, the choice really is ours. He was kind enough to refer us to a children’s clinic near here, so at least that part is easy.Don’t get me wrong, Mom. I’m not an uncaring mother. I do feel sorry for the little guy. I think he heard Ted and me talking about this the other night. I turned and saw him standing at the bottom of the stairs in his PJ’s with his little teddy bear that you gave him under his arm, and his eyes were sort of welled up with tears.
Mom, the way he looked at me just about broke my heart, but I honestly believe this is better for Timmy, too. It’s just not fair to force him to live in a family that can’t give him the time and attention he deserves.
And please, Mom, don’t give me the kind of grief that grandma gave you over your abortions. It’s the same thing, you know. There’s really no difference.
We’ve told Timmy he’s just going in for a “vaccination.” Anyway, they say the termination procedure is painless. I guess it’s just as well that you haven’t seen that much of little Timmy lately.
Please give my love to Dad.
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Originally Posted by el chupacabra View Post
I think the sick part was crowds & audiences laughing while jokes were being made about eyeballs falling onto their laps, how sharp crushed skulls were, and ripping apart cervixes etc.. I think it's hypocritical that this same crowd whines about how unempathetic people are to snarling self righteous liberals while they themselves show the least amount of empathy of anybody. God forbid a guy talk about how women want him to grab their pussy or sign their boobs because he's a celebrity, thats just mean, in fact it's it's it's RAPE!... but this should be simply written off as shop talk. evil evil evil. Dont watch the video, unless you want proof that Satan really does exist.
I'm certainly bothered by how common "ironic empathy deficit" has become on the left, but all ghastly jobs desensitize the people who do them, and have a culture of pitch black humor. It's independent of politics.
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
This bears reposting. 12, 24 or after 40 weeks........

Before you say "slippery slope," they are already close to doing this in the Netherlands and Belgium.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...anize-children
Gonna need a cite on that.

My overall argument is 12, 24, and after 40 are each a different thing.

One can debate whether the difference matters, but that there is a difference I would say is unquestionable.
     
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I'm certainly bothered by how common "ironic empathy deficit" has become on the left, but all ghastly jobs desensitize the people who do them, and have a culture of pitch black humor. It's independent of politics.
I'm glad someone can see my point.

I'd like to ask why the ironic empathy deficit doesn't work both ways though? All this soppy garbage coming from people who call us 'bleeding heart' liberals. Doesn't matter what terrible fate befalls them if they become a burden to you the taxpayer, but their parent(s) should just suck it up for 18 years.

Those of us who are pro-choice don't tend to advocate late terminations, especially into childhood. Thats typically the "pro"-lifers move, it just has to be non-white and terminated by cops, thats the rule right?

If you want to get soppy about early terminations, you might as well be crying into your used condoms for all the difference we see. Equating early terminations to killing 5 year-olds is like equating verruca removal to amputating a leg.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Gonna need a cite on that.

My overall argument is 12, 24, and after 40 are each a different thing.

One can debate whether the difference matters, but that there is a difference I would say is unquestionable.
The only difference it time and location. All are humans.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I'm glad someone can see my point.
I don't think he's "seeing it" from the perspective you think.

I'd like to ask why the ironic empathy deficit doesn't work both ways though? All this soppy garbage coming from people who call us 'bleeding heart' liberals. Doesn't matter what terrible fate befalls them if they become a burden to you the taxpayer, but their parent(s) should just suck it up for 18 years.
NO ONE has to "suck it up" for 18 years. There are literally dozens of ways to give up a child after it's born without taking any responsibility at all. Hell, the mom can just refuse to "take delivery" at the hospital and they'll immediately turn it over to child services, or they can drop it off at a police station, or at a night drop at a church, or leave it at the front desk of any doctor's office, etc. etc. no questions asked. The garbage is you believe that conservatives want liberals to raise kids, and that's just simply not the case. They'd much rather an unenthusiastic mother give the kid up, rather than only see it as a burden.

Those of us who are pro-choice don't tend to advocate late terminations, especially into childhood. Thats typically the "pro"-lifers move, it just has to be non-white and terminated by cops, thats the rule right?
Last I heard the unborn don't assault cops, they literally didn't do nothin'.

If you want to get soppy about early terminations, you might as well be crying into your used condoms for all the difference we see. Equating early terminations to killing 5 year-olds is like equating verruca removal to amputating a leg.
Let me know when you get that strawman to the Wizard, make sure to ask for a brain this time.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I'd like to ask why the ironic empathy deficit doesn't work both ways though?
I'm the one lodging the accusation, so for this to go "both ways", it means I'm being accused of an empathy deficit, ironic or otherwise.

I'm willing to entertain this idea, but require an example.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I'd like to ask why the ironic empathy deficit doesn't work both ways though? All this soppy garbage coming from people who call us 'bleeding heart' liberals. Doesn't matter what terrible fate befalls them if they become a burden to you the taxpayer, but their parent(s) should just suck it up for 18 years.
The "bleeding heart liberals" is more of a sarcasm thing. We dont actually think liberals have hearts. More likely, liberals pretend to be empathetic but only stand for things that are empathetic to themselves, their causes, or people they view as like themselves. During the election liberals thought they'd improve their chances of winning if they could get criminals to vote. Thats a great example of the kind of people they empathize with. Now did they stand for this becaue they care about the criminals or because they thought they'd use them to get their candidate elected assuming that criminals would naturally vote for the bad guys in government because they were bad guys themselves? These same people hate on Christians every day of the week over petty disagreements, despite all the charitable work Christians do all over the world, while in denial they even do charitable work. Thats just an example of a double standard.

Those of us who are pro-choice don't tend to advocate late terminations, especially into childhood. Thats typically the "pro"-lifers move, it just has to be non-white and terminated by cops, thats the rule right?
Im pro-choice, so the prolife part is beside the point. The problem isn't abortion to me, it's that they're cracking jokes and audiences are all laughing, I guess in agreement on how funny it is... I would hold republicans or law employees equally accountable in disgust, if they cracked jokes during press conferences (or anywhere) about the "non-whites" who'd been killed by cops. Occasionally we catch soldiers or cops joking about criminals they killed with repulsive pics etc., and you see conservatives and liberals alike criticizing them. Yet liberals cant see any problem with whats going on in this video.
     
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Ex-cons served their time. They should be able to vote.

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