[MindFad]

Originally Posted by oharag

GameCube has exclusive rights to the Resident Evil series. I love that series, but refuse to but a gamecube. Oh well.

RE4 is worth the purchase of a GameCube. Or you could hold out for the crappier (visually) PS2 version that will be coming out.

[ender2002]

keeping in mind that black vertical line is a cd drive, it looks a significantly smaller than xbox. remember, this is more powerful than an xbox, which is currently the MOST powerful gaming console on the market. I am curious to see how large and powerful the PS 3 is going to be.

[angelmb]

Talking about ports, I have played Sega Soccer Slam in both platforms, the GC original and then the PS2 port, with the PS2 it was a pain, slow every time you get all players on screen, I don�t understand how they put that game in the (PS2) market, that is not serious. No idea how bad the PS2 is going to deal with RE4�

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

[iOliverC]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

The controller just looks, and probably feels cheap.

[MacHarbor]

funny thing, the XBox 2 controler looks strikingly similer to another set-top system of old...


XBox 2 Controller


Guess Who


How unoriginal, and what, 10 years late?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by MacHarbor

funny thing, the XBox 2 controler looks strikingly similer to another set-top system of old...


XBox 2 Controller


Guess Who


How unoriginal, and what, 10 years late?

Lets hope your first post is not a theme of things to come.

[MacHarbor]

na, its just when I saw the XBox 2 controller I happened to have an old issue of MacWorld out with the Pippin on the front cover and went "huh?". Felt it would be an interesting post.

[Link]

I wonder, people have claimed there's anywhere from 2-3 g5s in there, ranging as high as 3ghz (who knows), and that thing looks no bigger than an 80's VCR, plus it can sit horizontally.....

Yet apple calls sticking the g5 in things THERMAL CHALLENGEs? It doesn't make any sense. Sure, that's a lot bigger than a laptop, but yeah..

[Hawkeye_a]

I THINK the PS3 is going to be more powerful, some Sony exec called the XBox 360 a XBox 1.5..... to me, it seems more like:
150% XBox + TiVo = XBox 360.

Dosent anyone find it off that, Microsoft, touting HD video as the big thing for the XBox 360, and all it's got is a Dual Layer DVD drive or something (havent heard of it supporting either HD-DVD or Blu Ray).....

I might be jumping to conclusions here, but seeing as how the next gen media standard is going to be on both the PS3 and Revolution, i think Microsoft is making a mistake in rushing this console to market.(that is if, 360 dosent support HD-DVD or Blu Ray).
(In short, what good a HD-Video support when your not going to have the media that can handle it ?... it's kind alike PC users who use LCD screens with Analog video.)

As far as size, it's an improvement thats for sure, and as far as design, it definately looks sleeker than the ENIAC-esque Xbox.

Controller..... looks very sleek n smooth....ergonomic ? doubt it.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

I THINK the PS3 is going to be more powerful, some Sony exec called the XBox 360 a XBox 1.5..... to me, it seems more like:
150% XBox + TiVo = XBox 360.

It will be, for sure it will be but I don't think it will matter.

I mean look at the PS2, it has GT4 in HD 1080i which looks better than anything else on any other system.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Link

I wonder, people have claimed there's anywhere from 2-3 g5s in there, ranging as high as 3ghz (who knows), and that thing looks no bigger than an 80's VCR, plus it can sit horizontally.....

Yet apple calls sticking the g5 in things THERMAL CHALLENGEs? It doesn't make any sense. Sure, that's a lot bigger than a laptop, but yeah..

I'm assuming that they choose G5s as the dev machines cause the processor theyre using in the 360 is going to be a subset of the G5 (ie....the 360's PPC processor will have only the necessary instruction set and features of the G5...tailored to a gaming console, the same way the processor in the GameCube is a modified/subset of the PPC G3). That way MS could choose to get rid of the stuff that makes G5s run as hot as they do, and even bring the price of the processor down. Seeing as how both the Rev and 360 are going to be using derivatives of the PPC G5......i dont think processing power(physics calculation, AI, etc) and graphical power(video cards) are going to be very different.

2 mysteries at this point....
-processing power and graphical power of the PS3.... we have a clue of whats in the 360 and Rev thus far.
-And what the hell is so revolutionary about the NRev. Truely an Enigma, gives what we know thus far.

Also, how do u like billy saying that Ninty is going to be a Niche player this time around ? lol.... if you ask me, serves Nintendo right, cause they have never acknoledged Microsoft as a competitor either.

[nforcer]

I really hope the Xbox 2 ("360" is stupid and I refuse to call it that) is able to use most of the same peripherals and add-ons that the existing Xbox uses, but I somehow doubt it. MS has said time and again that they intend to make money with the second generation, and what better way to do that than by making everyone re-purchase controllers, memory cards, headsets, and everything else they already have that works fine but just has a different port than what the Xb2 expects?

[Eug Wanker]

Microsoft Xbox 360 Specifications

360 Hardware:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz
- 10 MB embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines
- unified shader architecture

Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR

Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus

Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels

[:dragonflypro:]

Oh Boy, now I can have a hackish beige/white box next to my TV too!

If they were gonna go this route the least they could have done is shot for a standard HI-FI component with of about 17".

This thing looks to be a visual sore and a vertical monstrosity. And aren't the 'removable faceplates' sorta pass�

Sure, it my play beautiful games, but hardly a beauty to the eye. iPod white a coincidence? Doubt it.

T

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

Sure, it my play beautiful games, but hardly a beauty to the eye. iPod white a coincidence? Doubt it.

T

Like I said, Apple invented white.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache

Is that where Apple's 3Ghz went?

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Is that where Apple's 3Ghz went?

No, as we suspected, it appears to be the PPE core of Cell. ie. Clock for clock each core will be MUCH slower than the G5. Still, at 3.2 GHz and 3 cores, it's gonna be a computing monster without going to as radical a design as Cell. (I mentioned it here, but be forewarned, it's blog material. )

[kentuckyfried]

Originally Posted by MindFad

RE4 is worth the purchase of a GameCube. Or you could hold out for the crappier (visually) PS2 version that will be coming out.

I second that.

Why wait when you can play it now, it all its glory?

[MaxPower2k3]

RE4 is amazing on the gamecube. It really shows off what the system is capable of. That said, it's the only thing i've really played on the GC since i bought it off a friend a year or two ago.

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second

oh great, now we move from polygons to dots per second, how smart�

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

Oh Boy, now I can have a hackish beige/white box next to my TV too!

If they were gonna go this route the least they could have done is shot for a standard HI-FI component with of about 17".

This thing looks to be a visual sore and a vertical monstrosity. And aren't the 'removable faceplates' sorta pass�

Sure, it my play beautiful games, but hardly a beauty to the eye. iPod white a coincidence? Doubt it.

T

Were u actually expecting something innovative from that company ? lol.... it does look better than the original, but original...no way. looks like a mish-mash of a VCR, iBook(While), put through an oven to melt the middle into a curve.

Anyway, we have yet to see what the other two (NRev and PS3) will look like. Comparing deisgn, in my opinion is relative.

Cheers.

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by angelmb

oh great, now we move from polygons to dots per second, how smart�

I believe this is supposed to be "dot products" per second or something similar. A different way of measuring things, I suppose, but then again, I've never liked the "per second" way of measurement. Games should run between 60 and 30 FPS so you have to divide whatever they give you by 60 or 30 to get an idea of how many times whatever feature can be used per frame. And even then there are usually other little strings attached to these marketing figures (ie, a developer can achieve these speeds assuming they are doing nothing else, etc.).

[angelmb]

Exactly, 'per second' is so yesterday marketing aimed to brainwash today people.

[ort888]

Holy crap, look at this!

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=3695

[ort888]

http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/1.jpg

http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/2.jpg

http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/3.jpg

http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/4.jpg

highlights of the text...

*It will be released in europe 7 days after USA
*December release in Japan
*Its released in less than six months
*Release games: Perfect Dark Zero, PGR3 and Kameo
*10-16 game titles at the release. 40 games after half a year.
*The Xbox Silver thingy is correct, it will be there, and free.
*You will be able to transfer stuff from an ipod.
*You will see TV thru your Xbox.
*It can stand up and lie down.
*When you watch DVD, some stuff in the console will automaticly shut down - so its more quiet.
*You load the batteries on the controllers up via USB-cable on Xbox. You can also use simple batteries.
*The round thingy on the controller = "The ring of light". Its actually a screen, which says if there are any updates on Xbox Live. Downl. content and such. It also says which controllers there are in your hands, which number.
*Rallisport Challenge 3 will be on Xbox 360.
*The Darkness from swedish Starbreeze (Riddick).
*Peter Moore confirms Halo 3.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Shame I can't read any of that.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

*You load the batteries on the controllers up via USB-cable on Xbox. You can also use simple batteries. "

I guess that means you charge them through USB and you can also use normal batteries.

I like that button is actually a screen showing you if updates are out.

HOT!!!

[ort888]

The article also says that it ships with a 20g hard drive. No mention of backwards compatability.

[ort888]

Here's another guys translation

Bizarre Creations is right now working very hard on PGR3. The game will feature more cities, cars and the game will have some very impressive graphics.

Peter Moore can't say anything about Halo 3, but it's coming out this year!

Elders Scrolls IV is coming out this year!

Gears of War: Peter Moore showed us this game, and this is without no doubt the most beuatiful Xbox 360 game.

NBA 2k6: Together with Gears of War this was the most beuatiful Xbox 360 game, out of the games they showed us. The animation when they jump, land and sptint etc was breathtakingly realistic.



Xbox 360:

- 10-16 titles at release and atleast 40 titles after half a year
- Games coming out at release: Kameo, PD0, PGR3
- No price announced yet
- You can transfrom stuff from your an iPod


Peter Moore: We haven't heard anything new from Square, but I think ALL developers wants to develop games for Xbox 360.

[andretan]

Anyone knows where I can find the MTV-Xbox2 event online for download or something?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by andretan

Anyone knows where I can find the MTV-Xbox2 event online for download or something?

It airs on a new thing called "TV" tonight.

[andretan]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

It airs on a new thing called "TV" tonight.

Got no idea what time it airs in the US. Different time-zone.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

I've been waiting for Kameo since forever. Looks awesome even on the Gamecube early builds (than Microsoft bought Rare).

[ort888]

I'm pretty sure it's on MTV at 9:30 PM Eastern.

[kentuckyfried]

Yup...it's 9:30 p.m. eastern time, 6:30 p.m. on the pacific.

[ort888]

Word on the street is that this "event" is going to suck. A lot of hype and talking to celebrities and very little solid information.

Probably a lot of what we already know with some actual footage of gameplay (which should be cool).

[MacHarbor]

Originally Posted by ort888

Word on the street is that this "event" is going to suck. A lot of hype and talking to celebrities and very little solid information.

Probably a lot of what we already know with some actual footage of gameplay (which should be cool).

thats what I would expect from MTV, a whole lot of talking to people no one cares about (no one cares about when it comes to the main topic). Wonder if Bam Margera will come out and try to skate on top of the XBox (I find Viva La Bam to be the only salvagable show on MTV now, but thats just my opinion).

I'll be watching just to see whats up, like most other people. Tonight is a busy TV night for me.

[nforcer]

Peter Moore can't say anything about Halo 3, but it's coming out this year

That's wrong. It took Bungie half a year to fix fundamental online problems with Halo 2. This is a company that does not move quickly, and has repeatedly not confirmed what they are working on next. They said they do not plan to be at E3 this year, and for the most part they just finished up Halo 2 additional maps. I'd guess Halo 3 would come out until sometime in late 2007, maybe even 2008.

[ender2002]

Originally Posted by nforcer

That's wrong. It took Bungie half a year to fix fundamental online problems with Halo 2. This is a company that does not move quickly, and has repeatedly not confirmed what they are working on next. They said they do not plan to be at E3 this year, and for the most part they just finished up Halo 2 additional maps. I'd guess Halo 3 would come out until sometime in late 2007, maybe even 2008.

you are a retard. halo 2 and 3 were created simultaneously, meaning, at the same time, meaning that once halo 2 was completed (or shipped ), halo 3 had some significant progress. you really think bungie has no subdivisons or groups working out the maps and online problems whilst working on halo 3? it IS possible.

Halo 3 will be here 2005

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by ender2002

you are a retard. halo 2 and 3 were created simultaneously, meaning, at the same time, meaning that once halo 2 was completed (or shipped ), halo 3 had some significant progress. you really think bungie has no subdivisons or groups working out the maps and online problems whilst working on halo 3? it IS possible.

Halo 3 will be here 2005

Also, on February 9th (2005) Bungie is going to release Halo 3.

Also, Bungie is resetting the Xbox Live friends list. Be sure to message all of your friends telling them to keep the message so you are not deleted from their list.

Just more examples of BS "rumors" that get circulated about and gullible people fall for. My BS detector has rarely been wrong, and my dose of pessimism (dare I say realism?) is to try to balance the overwhelmingly wrong rumors that get spread. People tend to believe what they want, as far from reality as it may be.

Video game development times and costs have increased over the years. While simultaneous development is possible, it is highly unlikely given the time it has taken Bungie to address issues with their current game. Read some of the weekly updates on Bungie's site. Bungie claims they had more resources invested in development for the upcoming Halo 2 map expansion than they did for the development of the maps that shipped with the game. If H3 was in development and going to be released this year, I think a reasonable person would agree that it would make sense for that to receive more development effort. And again, if it was going to be released this year it seems to be a marketing mistake not showing it at E3.

I don't claim to know the future. I don't claim to have an inside contact. I just look at the reality of the market, analyze what I have read directly from the people who make the game, and compare that to whatever rumors are flying around these days so I can invalidate them. If you want to believe H3 will be released in 2005, prepare to be disappointed.

[nforcer]

http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/o...ny_v1_750k.wmv

..."watercooled CPU heatsink solution..."

Can you say, "1 year limited warranty"?

Not even 5 minutes into it...someone please post some screen grabs/info of things WORTHWHILE. What the hell do the Killers have to do with a videogame system? I'm so turning this off...if this is what MS has to do to sell a console, it can't be very good.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by nforcer

Also, on February 9th (2005) Bungie is going to release Halo 3.

Also, Bungie is resetting the Xbox Live friends list. Be sure to message all of your friends telling them to keep the message so you are not deleted from their list.

Just more examples of BS "rumors" that get circulated about and gullible people fall for. My BS detector has rarely been wrong, and my dose of pessimism (dare I say realism?) is to try to balance the overwhelmingly wrong rumors that get spread. People tend to believe what they want, as far from reality as it may be.

Those first 2 "rumors" were just idiot 12 year old kids that couldn't read or listen. Anyone that bothered to look at bungie.net knew those weren't true. I deleted everyone on my friends list that sent a "do not delete this message." I had as many as 10 of those from some people, idiots.

But it is entirely possible that bungie was working on 2 and 3 at the same time. They hint at it on their website in the weekly updates and on the dvd that came in the Halo 2SE. I bet we'll know for sure by June 28th, when you can buy the new maps on cd with some "special" content added.

[Agasthya]

Originally Posted by screamingFit

Not even 5 minutes into it...someone please post some screen grabs/info of things WORTHWHILE. What the hell do the Killers have to do with a videogame system? I'm so turning this off...if this is what MS has to do to sell a console, it can't be very good.

Did it get any better? I turned it off right as soon as they said "Pimp my xbox"

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by screamingFit

Not even 5 minutes into it...someone please post some screen grabs/info of things WORTHWHILE. What the hell do the Killers have to do with a videogame system? I'm so turning this off...if this is what MS has to do to sell a console, it can't be very good.

PD0 screens (generally unimpressive looking)
Xbox 2 Info without the MTV garbage

[ender2002]

Concerning Halo 3 in 2005 :it was published in that non-english magazine, and translated by ort888

"Peter Moore can't say anything about Halo 3, but it's coming out this year! "


so ***** that out

as for the mtv thing; that was like watching a car accident in slow motion

[iLikebeer]

This page gives some Xbox 360 details:
http://www.mtv.com/games/video_games/xbox/console.jhtml
This page has a lot of the Xbox game trailers and different stuff, but don't bother if you're on a mac. WMP 10 is needed:
http://www.mtv.com/games/video_games/xbox/index.jhtml

Having to pay extra $$$ for weapons, maps, and costumes after buying a $50-$60 game is lame. Hopefully not all game makers will try to screw their users like that.

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by ender2002

Concerning Halo 3 in 2005 :it was published in that non-english magazine, and translated by ort888

"Peter Moore can't say anything about Halo 3, but it's coming out this year! "


so ***** that out

And Steve Ballmer presented the same misinformation (bottom of the page).

[ender2002]

Originally Posted by nforcer

And Steve Ballmer presented the same misinformation (bottom of the page).

"And so here we are in April of 2004, and the story will continue…"


Hey! and that article was published, hmm, maybe a couple weeks or days ago, MAX! So, you are giving me information that was given almost a year ago! Wow, you just love proving yourself wrong!

Things tend to change over time, dont they. Oh, no, wait. It was written on the bungie.net site last year, which means that its set in ****ing stone!