[Dakarʒ]

I thought the 3rd one was a huge disappointment.

[pooka]

Holy crap. Went in looking for mindless fun. I can't even describe how I feel. Hang on. Let me cry for a minute (like everyone in the movie).

In the immortal words of Dr. Peter Venkman... "I feel so fukcin funky."

What was the point of that? Jeeze. Make Evil Dead 4 already.

[Big Mac]

I think a lot of people had a similar reaction, pooka. In the theater I was in everyone was really enthusiastic at the beginning. When the credits rolled, a few people clapped while others jeered. I thought it was decent. My brother liked it a lot.

[pooka]

The symbolism was unmistakable in my mind. Try telling me the story didn't parallel that of Britney Spears rise to fame and ultimate fall. Except Britney's lack of superhuman strength made her fits more comical.

"Like, OMG, when I was doing this parade once, all the kids were like 'high-five me, Spidey!' and I was so like 'No way, kid!'"

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by pooka 

Holy crap. Went in looking for mindless fun. I can't even describe how I feel. Hang on. Let me cry for a minute (like everyone in the movie).

In the immortal words of Dr. Peter Venkman... "I feel so fukcin funky."

What was the point of that? Jeeze. Make Evil Dead 4 already.

No to be a jackarse, but since I know pretty much every line in Ghostbusters, I can assure you Dr. Venkman merely said "I feel so funky."

Now go wash your mouth with soap.

[Dark_Lotus]

I don't know how anyone could actually enjoy this film... I was a big fan of both Spiderman 1 & 2 and all of the X-Men movies, but this movie was terrible. The cheesy dialogue, the one-liners, and mixed up plot made this movie bad. The scenes with 'evil' peter parker were awful. They show him walking around on the sidewalk pointing to girls and giving them the thumbs up for way to long. This movie was like a bad comedy, action, and drama all rolled into one then given a superhero twist. I was extremely dissapointed and had the urge to leave the theatre three or four times. Don't waste your time or money.

[selowitch]

I agree it wasn't as good as the first two, mainly because they sullied the innocence of pure love between Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson, and because in general the interpersonal relationships lost their credibility. The action scenes were pretty fantastic, too, and (Spoiler Alert) the redemption of Harry was a nice twist. They should have cut both scenes of Kirsten Dunst singing (the whole thing was too long). and shortened some purely expository scenes. Anyway, it was a lot more clumsily paced than the other two and was overall less compelling emotionally. Too bad.

[besson3c]

IMDB is giving it a 7.9/10... over 4500 votes:

Spider-Man 3 (2007)

[kobi]

Just got back from a 8:40 showing.

I was a fan of the first two Spiderman's. I actually asked for my money back and got it.

It was that bad.

Not only does it not even remotely follow any story line from the comics, the story just plain sucked.

The only saving grace was Eddie Brock and Venom.

I could go on, but I don't want to waste your time like I just did.

[Dark_Lotus]

Alls I can say is this casting decision was a great choice.

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by selowitch 

I agree it wasn't as good as the first two, mainly because they sullied the innocence of pure love between Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson, and because in general the interpersonal relationships lost their credibility. The action scenes were pretty fantastic, too, and

 

the redemption of Harry was a nice twist.

They should have cut both scenes of Kirsten Dunst singing (the whole thing was too long). and shortened some purely expository scenes. Anyway, it was a lot more clumsily paced than the other two and was overall less compelling emotionally. Too bad.

Please use spoiler tags for those that haven't seen the movie yet.

[Chuckit]

I just got back from seeing it. Easily the best of the three, and better than the third X-Men movie — though I thought all those movies sucked, so that's not extremely high praise. A couple of the Evil Peter scenes were over the top, but ****, they weren't any more ridiculous than the entire first film.

The biggest problem with this movie, and I think the reason people came out of it feeling dissatisfied, is the ending. I'm not going to give anything away plot-wise, but I will say that the pacing suddenly comes to a dead stop and never really picks back up. I think the movie was aiming for quiet and contemplative, but it just winds up with limp and lifeless, so you walk out of the theater feeling let down because of the last few minutes.

[Tenacious Dyl]

I got the distinct feeling that despite the budget, equipment, and effects... no one knew what the hell they were doing when they were making this film. The "mood" was never set in a scene correctly... it was either off target, over the top, or absent completely.

The dialogue was easily the worst part of all, making Parker seem like some awkward smiling robotic actor. Awkwardly enough, someone sitting near me in the theatre compared his demeanor to the "Enzyte Man", and for most of the movie that seemed true.

The jokes and more "humorous" parts of the movie like Parker dancing in the street, were so forced that the audience seemed to laugh more out of a "WTF" and "well.....ok..." reaction, then they did at the actual jokes / situations. There was a good deal of laughter after lines that simply sucked, and weren't intended to be funny. The more serious moments in the movie just felt empty, cliche, and hastily thrown together.

It was easily the worst movie I have seen in the theatres in a long time, and I would be kind to give it a 3/10. I was tempted to just leave about 30 minutes in, and actually saw a few people do just that, and not come back.

I entered the theatre with a positive mind set. I was excited to see how everything unfolded compared to the comics, and I thought it was going to be quite a good show... I guess you can't win them all.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Tenacious Dyl 

The jokes and more "humorous" parts of the movie like Parker dancing in the street, were so forced that the audience seemed to laugh more out of a "WTF" and "well.....ok..." reaction, then they did at the actual jokes / situations.

Heh, I actually said "what the ****?!" during that scene in the club. It looked like one of those spoofs they do on the MTV Movie Awards.

I still say, frankly, that it was better than those other two turds. I don't see how anybody could complain about this movie's writing if they liked the last two. I guess stupid looks better when it's more uniform?

[Tenacious Dyl]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

I guess stupid looks better when it's more uniform?

Haha, quite a valid point! The first two were so poorly done, that they probably felt they had no where to go but up... it was just frustrating that they mucked up their last movie in the series, and left fans bored or pissed off.

Had the plot / dialogue been reworked a bit, and had they stayed a bit more true to the original story, I'm sure they would have been much more able to rake in cash from merch. following the movie, and would have helped to carry on Spiderman to newer generations. It feels like they just killed it. I guess it just shows how little a factor dumping millions of dollars into something really is. (Primer anyone?)

Oh... a highlight of the movie was a kid (maybe 16?) who stumbled up the stairs during the movie, who kept bending over and picking things up off the stairs.... but there wasn't anything there to pick up... He did this for a good 4-5 minutes, clearly under the influence of something more than just alcohol, and when we were all leaving, there was a security guard and a local police officer who looked to be trying to figure out what drugs the kid was on, while getting him into some handcuffs.

[Stogieman]

Originally Posted by pooka 

Holy crap. Went in looking for mindless fun. I can't even describe how I feel. Hang on. Let me cry for a minute (like everyone in the movie).

No kidding. There was more crying in this movie than all of the Batman & Superman movies combined. I don't think I have ever seen a super hero movie that had all the main characters cry at least twice.

Originally Posted by kobi

The only saving grace was Eddie Brock and Venom.

And Bruce Campbell as the French Maître d’.

[Eug]

Well, I saw it. It sucked. I give it 2 stars out of 5, and even that's being generous.

It was completely disorganized, and the plot (if you can call it that), acting, and directing made it extremely hard to give a chit about any of the characters, even though they tried hard by making all of them cry.

Basically it was a throw-absolutely-everything-into-the-movie-and-hope-something-works type of movie. Unfortunately it didn't.

Even the action was lacking. And the flying snowboard simply looked dumb.

The only really good part of the movie was the black spidey suit.

Originally Posted by Stogieman

And Bruce Campbell as the French Maître d’.

OK, that too.

[selowitch]

Originally Posted by Eug 

The only really good part of the movie was the black spidey suit.

I don't think that's entirely fair; sure, it was not as good as the last two films, but I thought

 

the redemption of Harry

was a pretty neat twist.

Do I recall correctly, or did they never identify Eddie Brock's alter ego as Venom? I mean, we all know it's Venom, but i don't recall anyone ever uttering that name during the film.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by selowitch 

I don't think that's entirely fair; sure, it was not as good as the last two films, but I thought

 

the redemption of Harry

was a pretty neat twist.

I didn't think it was much of a twist, just rather forced.

[smacintush]

I think that a lot of the criticisms were valid but a "little" overstated.

It was a "little" too long.

Mary Jane's singing I could have lived without, but I don't think they really hurt the movie for me. I never got the impression that we were supposed to believe she was a great singer. I would have cut the second one and left the first one.

I understand that they seem to have wanted more than just a high-tech superhero movie, but all the touchy-feely stuff was a little too much.

Too much Sandman, not enough Venom. I can't for the life of me understand why Venom came in so late. Perhaps they should have introduced Eddie Brock and the black suit in the second movie and left us hanging. Then they could have introduced Venom much earlier and Sandman later. We didn't really NEED a Sandman origin and back-story in the movie did we?

The whole thing where Peter started strutting around and acting like a fool was just ridiculous.

Gwen was ugly and boring. Seriously, is that the BEST they could find?

Kirsten Dunst has looked better.

---

It was cool to see Peter stop acting like whiney little bitch and actually get angry and kick someone's ass for once.

Harry was much better as a villain than I expected and the redemption was cool.

Bruce Campbell always rocks.

SPFX were pretty damn good.

Plenty of action.

That's all I can think of.

3.5 stars out of 5.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Eug 

The only really good part of the movie was the black spidey suit.

There's nor reason they they couldn't have made it look like the original black suit, that would have been better IMO.

[selowitch]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I didn't think it was much of a twist, just rather forced.

Well, that's not how it hit me, but that doesn't make you wrong. I thought it was pretty exciting.

But, like most folks, I really hated what they did to the

 

Peter Parker/Mary Jane Watson relationship,

and it just lacked the cohesion and emotional strength of the previous two films. Also, the never adequately explained why Spidey kissed Gwen Stacey at the key ceremony, touching off the whole crisis between MJ and Peter.

They made an interesting choice not to have

 

MJ and Peter make up or get marrried at the end of the film

, but instead left them in a state of ambiguity. That's truer to the spirit of the original comics, but it's a little frustrating for a filmgoing audience already stratching its collective head over some very strange decisions undertaken by the writers and director.

I, too, would have liked to have seen a lot more of Venom and Eddie Brock. The crying was overdone, too.

[TheoCryst]

Why, why, why did they

 

kill Venom so quickly? Seriously, he was my favorite villain as a kid.

Other than that, the movie was pretty mediocre. Brock could have been cast better, and Venom needed more screen time. I liked Harry as a villain though, and his ending was cool, if not true to the comics.

Overall, a decent action movie with killer special effects and very weak cohesion. The one-liners were just too much for me at times, and Peter's emo hair was just ridiculous.

Oh, and they should have made the black suit look more like the original:

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Gwen was ugly and boring. Seriously, is that the BEST they could find?

After having seen several of her movies, all I can think is that Bryce Howard must be very good on the casting couch.

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Kirsten Dunst has looked better.

No kidding. Kirsten Dunst used to be hot and a good actress. Now she's neither. What happened there?

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

After having seen several of her movies, all I can think is that Bryce Howard must be very good on the casting couch.

Personally I think she's great in The Village (even though I think the movie is just OK overall).



And I don't think her acting in Spider-Man 3 was any worse than anyone else's in that movie (although that's not saying much).

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Personally I think she's great in The Village (even though I think the movie is just OK overall).

She was my favorite part of The Village, I didn't even realize that was her! Too bad she sucked in this movie.

[moonmonkey]

Worst movie Since Superman VI

Save your money for Harry Potter in June.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

She was my favorite part of The Village, I didn't even realize that was her! Too bad she sucked in this movie.

Too bad they all sucked in this movie, as did the movie itself.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Ok, I need something explained. I did leave about half-hour before the end, but:

 

Ok, so Harry threatens Peter's life so Mary Jane will dump Peter...and she does it...? It seems like a more believable outcome would be that she tells Peter what happened and Peter goes and kicks Harry's ass again, the whol ordeal bringing Mary Jane and Peter back together. Why on earth would she think she needs to protect him?

[Eug]

Ok, this may partially explain why this movie is so half-assed:

The Venom character was not from your comic book experience but you found a way to integrate him into your script. How long did it take to get a handle on the character?

RAIMI: [Producer] Avi Arad said, “Sam, listen: You are so aware of all these ’70s villains, but you really need to incorporate Venom into this story because the fans really love Venom, and don’t be so selfish with just the villains that you know and love.” So I said okay. I didn’t understand that much about Venom because I hadn’t read him as a kid. So I went to school on Venom and Avi taught me a lot about Venom and then Alvin Sargent, our screenwriter, he really was the voice of Venom in the writing of the screenplay. And he showed me who he was. Then Topher Grace brought another life to the character, and I learned who he was. And in trying to satisfy the comic book fans, we incorporated Venom into the story.

So basically, Raimi was told to write in a character he had absolutely no interest in. It definitely showed in the movie.

Oh and:

Sony has announced that they’re planning to do “Spider-Man” 4, 5 and 6. Are you going to have anything to do with those?

RAIMI: Yes, Sony’s making 4, 5 and 6, but I haven’t had time to even think about involvement. I don’t want to assume that they were definitely going to ask me to do it. I don’t want to be presumptuous about that.

Well, after #3, I ain't interested Sony.

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Ok, I need something explained. I did leave about half-hour before the end, but:

 

Ok, so Harry threatens Peter's life so Mary Jane will dump Peter...and she does it...? It seems like a more believable outcome would be that she tells Peter what happened and Peter goes and kicks Harry's ass again, the whol ordeal bringing Mary Jane and Peter back together. Why on earth would she think she needs to protect him?

It was just one of many stupidities in the writing, but not the worst by far IMO.

[Eug]

Rotten Tomatoes is now down to 62% Overall / 45% Cream.

After seeing this movie, that's higher than I would have guessed, which would have been something more like 30-40%.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Ok, I need something explained. I did leave about half-hour before the end, but:

 

Ok, so Harry threatens Peter's life so Mary Jane will dump Peter...and she does it...? It seems like a more believable outcome would be that she tells Peter what happened and Peter goes and kicks Harry's ass again, the whol ordeal bringing Mary Jane and Peter back together. Why on earth would she think she needs to protect him?

Ya I was wondering the same thing. Just stupid writing one case of many.

[Eug]

Another spot with bad writing was when

 

Spider-Man and Sandman were standing there at the end of the movie, not fighting, but opening their hearts to each other and crying together, while Harry is lying there bleeding to death.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Ok, I need something explained. I did leave about half-hour before the end, but:

 

Ok, so Harry threatens Peter's life so Mary Jane will dump Peter...and she does it...? It seems like a more believable outcome would be that she tells Peter what happened and Peter goes and kicks Harry's ass again, the whol ordeal bringing Mary Jane and Peter back together. Why on earth would she think she needs to protect him?

Judging from that quote that was featured prominently in the previews but wasn't in the movie, I'm thinking maybe Mary Jane was supposed to be worried about them killing each other. That was the explanation that came to my mind.

[Super Mario]

You guys, you guys. You guys can't remember Superman 2 and 3?

In Superman 2, he renounces his superpowers and becomes a normal person until the villain comes and make lots of trouble. Then Superman gets his powers back.

In Spiderman 2, he renounces his superpowers and becomes a normal person until the villain comes and make lots of trouble. Then Spiderman gets his powers back.

In Superman 3, an evil dark and more powerful Superman takes his place and goes on a rampage. Normal Superman and evil dark Superman have a fight. Superman wins and fights the villains.

In Spiderman 3, an evil dark and more powerful Spiderman called Venom takes his place and goes on a rampage. Normal Spiderman and evil dark Venom have a fight. Spiderman wins and fights the villains.

[Super Mario]

[pooka]

As shitty as Superman 3 was, at least evil superman banged loose chicks and terrorized bar patrons with supersonic peanuts. Spidey danced and shopped at Banana Republic.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by pooka 

As shitty as Superman 3 was, at least evil superman banged loose chicks and terrorized bar patrons with supersonic peanuts. Spidey danced and shopped at Banana Republic.

I saw this non-politically correct statement in another forum, and I kinda felt the same way. To paraphrase:

Bad Spidey is supposed to become more aggressive, and more bad-boy-"cooler", not to become more in touch with his inner flamer.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Remember in all the promos and trailers they showed Spiderman in his black suite hanging from the building and looking at his reflection but he sees a red suite?

I could have sworn he saw the black suite and not the red in the actual movie.
I know why they did it, just interesting.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Remember in all the promos and trailers they showed Spiderman in his black suite hanging from the building and looking at his reflection but he sees a red suite?

I could have sworn he saw the black suite and not the red in the actual movie.

No, you're right, I noticed that immediately in the movie.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I know why they did it, just interesting.

Why did they do it?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

This is what bothered me about the movie. To many convenient situations. Too predictable. Too empty.

For example:

1) All the bad guys are introduced within the first 5 minutes of the movie. No building up, no backgrounds.... just "here are your badguys for this evenings performance".
2) Out of all the places for that meteor with venom to land, it just happens to be 30 feet from the most perfect human host it can imagine.
3) Sandman hops one small fence and rolls down a pit where they just happen to be running some midnight particle accelerator tests (Run by hot science chicks). Everything gets mutated into sand (including his shirt and belt) but NOT the locket with the picture on him. The same lock survives being washed down the sewer.
4) The acting and writing. "Hey pete, I don't remember much... my dad is like dead right?", "Ya",
"Oh, ok. I have the best friends in the world". He also bashes his skill in at the very start leaves no scar at all... but one grenade makes half his face unsexy for life.
5) Same thing over and over. Who didn't think the movie would climax with some girls or Mary Jane dangling somewhere high and falling in stages until scooped up last second.
6) Convenient situations. Peter tries to rip off the black suite and just happens to find its one weakness as naturally a belltower is the best place to be. Oh and at the same time the one guy who hates Peter happens to be there also and becomes Venom. And when sandman first runs from the cops after his "morph" he runs 10 feet to happen to find a giant sand truck parked in the middle of NY.
7) I don't know anything about Venom but Topher was not convincing to me as he just looked like a stupid, young, goofy guy in a CG suite.
8) What did we learn from this movie? What is the moral? Spiderman killed someone in the first movie that didn't really kill his uncle? Sandman can run wild as he is sorry? Kursten can't sing?

Oh and I want to see the uncut footage of spiderman swing home naked after he got that venom suite off.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

2) Out of all the places for that meteor with venom to land, it just happens to be 30 feet from the most perfect human host it can imagine.

If this bothered you, I recommend never ever watching a movie again, because any movie where remarkable things don't happen will be boring as ****.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

He also bashes his skill in at the very start leaves no scar at all... but one grenade makes half his face unsexy for life.

You say that as though powerful explosives are universally acknowledged as being much weaker than a 10-foot drop — I'd definitely fall a short distance before I'd take a grenade to the face. And he hit the back of his head anyway, so while he probably had stitches and a scar, it wouldn't be visible.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

8) What did we learn from this movie? What is the moral? Spiderman killed someone in the first movie that didn't really kill his uncle? Sandman can run wild as he is sorry? Kursten can't sing?

I thought the moral was pretty blatant: Even heroes and average Joes have the potential to be complete selfish dicks if you give them half a chance, and even villains might actually be very nice guys.

I guess I should put this in spoiler tags:

 

Peter and Eddie were both harmless geeks, but they were the most evil characters in the movie, while Harry and Sandman are villains who both turn into either noble heroes or emo crybabies (depending on how you look at it) by the end.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Best. Superhero movie. Ever.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Remember in all the promos and trailers they showed Spiderman in his black suite hanging from the building and looking at his reflection but he sees a red suite?

I could have sworn he saw the black suite and not the red in the actual movie.
I know why they did it, just interesting.

I haven't seen the movie yet. Does he just see himself in the black suit, or does he see Venom? I've never really read the comics, but there is a similar scene in the 1990s Fox animated television series in which Spider-Man, in black, looks at himself in a window and sees Venom snarling back at him.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I haven't seen the movie yet. Does he just see himself in the black suit, or does he see Venom? I've never really read the comics, but there is a similar scene in the 1990s Fox animated television series in which Spider-Man, in black, looks at himself in a window and sees Venom snarling back at him.

He sees himself in the black suit — he's actually seeing his reflection. The version with the red suit was just a poster meant to illustrate what the movie was about.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

If this bothered you, I recommend never ever watching a movie again, because any movie where remarkable things don't happen will be boring as ****.

Na but some EFFORT on the writers behalf would be nice. Rumors long ago suggested that venom would be brought back by that astronaut MJ was dating in #2. That would at least give some connection to Peter.

Same goes for how he found out sound is venoms weakness. Before I went in my friend told me of the weakness so I was thinking for weeks how they would let spiderman figure it out. Boy was I let down.

[Eug]

I agree that Raimi tried to make the movie more than a generic superhero action movie. We just happen also to think that he failed miserably.

Instead of deep introspective characters, they were just uninteresting whiners. IMO The Hulk had much better character development, even though I didn't like that movie either.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

This is what bothered me about the movie. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I did that to Casino Royale and they said "ITS JUST A JAMES BOND MOVIE!"

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

I did that to Casino Royale and they said "ITS JUST A JAMES BOND MOVIE!"

I'm not a big fan of Casino Royale either, but at least it was semi-coherent in many parts. IOW, it was vastly better than Spider-Man 3 IMO, but of course that's not saying much since I have such a low opinion of Spider-Man 3.

I think the producers are partly to blame, by forcing Raimi to include Venom when it was clear that he was uninterested in doing so.

[Peter]

terrible movie.
the entire cinema was in tears of laughter when the butler said "I loved your father" and the whole emo peter parker thing? classic!