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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
I plainly stated my point a couple of pages back as well. If you don't have any arguments left, then just stop.
Oh yeah me too. I plainly stated why you're wrong a couple of pages back as well. If you ever get curious about what makes you wrong you can just read the whole thread, I don't have time to point it out to you. Also your behavior clearly shows that you have a political identity confusion, that something has happened to you mentally causing you to act this way. Just throwing it out there for you, cause I thought you might be interested to know it.
     
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Stupendously stupefying the arrogance.

I don't see anything stupendous about your opinions on this or most anything else you post here.
     
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Originally Posted by TheoCryst View Post
Not the same wording, no, but roughly the same intent behind both terms in this situation.
So if someone is suffering from some kind of mental or emotional issue, they by default are "insane"? Really?

Are you really going to go on record as stating that you believe that everyone seeking therapy or guidance due to some kind of emotional or mental challenge they are dealing with is "insane?"

If that's really the route you need to take in order to try to make a point, good luck. I don't think it's going to be very convincing.
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Stupendously stupefying the arrogance.

I don't see anything stupendous about your opinions on this or most anything else you post here.
Thank you for your substance lacking personal attack. That really was a substantial contribution to the debate.

Your acknowledgement that you really don't have anything worth sharing but lots of valueless free time on your hands is duly noted.
     
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Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
Oh yeah me too. I plainly stated why you're wrong a couple of pages back as well.
I asked a question. Where did you plainly state why I had a "wrong" question? I can't find it.

On the other hand, if you go a few pages back and simply look for the text "my point is," you really can't miss it unless you are suffering from some kind of reading comprehension problems. It's my belief that you understand the point, but don't really want to know why it is that Maddow made the 180 degree change in question because it might highlight some kind of emotional or mental flaw in her which might make her appear less rational. Much easier to just argue around the point, throw out ad hominems and change the subjecct.

Also your behavior clearly shows that you have a political identity confusion, that something has happened to you mentally causing you to act this way. Just throwing it out there for you, cause I thought you might be interested to know it.
I've shown no confusion in regards to my political identity. I've been pretty consistent. I do believe though that experiences in my life have caused the development of my political beliefs depending on the issues, which I've always been glad to share with others if they are curious.
     
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Jul 21, 2010, 08:37 AM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
So if someone is suffering from some kind of mental or emotional issue, they by default are "insane"? Really?

Are you really going to go on record as stating that you believe that everyone seeking therapy or guidance due to some kind of emotional or mental challenge they are dealing with is "insane?"
Perhaps I was indulging in hyperbole, but it certainly was inferred from your tone in your posts. To deny it or try to pretend you didn't intend the implication is ingenuousness I'd be surprised by.
     
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Jul 21, 2010, 09:11 AM
 
stupendousman, since "mentally ill" is rather broad, please explain to us which type of mental illness you were referring to.

also, do you think Maddow (someone I wasn't aware of before this thread) suffers from this mental illness? and, if so, why?
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
I asked a question. Where did you plainly state why I had a "wrong" question? I can't find it.

On the other hand, if you go a few pages back and simply look for the text "my point is," you really can't miss it
Are you sure? Did you try that?

Anyway, you asked why someone would choose to look like an attractive lesbian. You were told it was to attract lesbians. If you couldn't figure that one out by yourself, you have a little mental problem of your own. Since I know you are aware of this phenomenon called "homosexuality," it's my belief that you understand the point, but don't really want to know why it is that Maddow made the 180 degree change in question because it might highlight some kind of emotional or mental desire in her which might make her appear less straight. Much easier for you to just argue around the point, throw out ad hominems and change the subjecct.

...unless you are suffering from some kind of reading comprehension problems.
Thank you for your substance lacking personal attack. That really was a substantial contribution to the debate.

Your acknowledgement that you really don't have anything worth sharing but lots of valueless free time on your hands is duly noted.

I've shown no confusion in regards to my political identity. I've been pretty consistent.
Consistently a total hypocrite. I'm glad you've found your niche.

I do believe though that experiences in my life have caused the development of my political beliefs depending on the issues, which I've always been glad to share with others if they are curious.
Until you're asked to own up to them, at which point you evade, backpedal and ad hom with the rest. Example: How does simply "she's gay" not answer your question? I await your evasions, backpedaling and ad homs.real answer: in stupendousworld, lesbians are merely straight girls who are too ugly to attract boys, and since the picture in the OP wasn't that ugly, stupendousbrain threw a spaz
     
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Jul 21, 2010, 10:44 AM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Which questions have went unanswered?
You've repeatedly discussed men who shave in defense of your definition of "naturally feminine". Is a lack of facial hair "naturally masculine"?
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
You've repeatedly discussed men who shave in defense of your definition of "naturally feminine". Is a lack of facial hair "naturally masculine"?
Well beards are scratchy...

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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Perhaps I was indulging in hyperbole, but it certainly was inferred from your tone in your posts. To deny it or try to pretend you didn't intend the implication is ingenuousness I'd be surprised by.
I never said anything about insanity. That's the bottom line. Unless of course you immediately infer that all mental and emotional challenges equal "insanity", which would be a problem on your part not mine. You engaged in hyperbole because it's easier to debate issues that you create rather than the tougher ones that are presented to you. It's really not that uncommon here.
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
stupendousman, since "mentally ill" is rather broad, please explain to us which type of mental illness you were referring to.

also, do you think Maddow (someone I wasn't aware of before this thread) suffers from this mental illness? and, if so, why?
I don't know if she suffers from some kind of mental challenges or illnesses. I just asked the question, because I do think it's possible.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
You've repeatedly discussed men who shave in defense of your definition of "naturally feminine". Is a lack of facial hair "naturally masculine"?
It's in defense of reasonable grooming as compared to your peers. Most men shave. Most women manage their eyebrows. These things are the norm, not an unusual effort made to appear different from the norm.
     
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Anyway, you asked why someone would choose to look like an attractive lesbian.
What do lesbians look like? Could you provide me a break-down so I can spot them?

You were told it was to attract lesbians. If you couldn't figure that one out by yourself, you have a little mental problem of your own. Since I know you are aware of this phenomenon called "homosexuality," it's my belief that you understand the point, but don't really want to know why it is that Maddow made the 180 degree change in question because it might highlight some kind of emotional or mental desire in her which might make her appear less straight.
So, lesbians want to look like men?

Until you're asked to own up to them, at which point you evade, backpedal and ad hom with the rest. Example: How does simply "she's gay" not answer your question?
Because I wasn't aware that being gay caused you to want to look like the opposite sex. I know a lot of gay people who don't desire to appear to be the opposite sex. I'm guessing we are dealing with two separate issues here, unless of course being gay is (or can be) just part of some overall sexual identity confusion or something.
     
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Jul 22, 2010, 08:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
I don't know if she suffers from some kind of mental challenges or illnesses. I just asked the question, because I do think it's possible.
Alright, then. stupendousman has officially backed away from any claim that Maddow is mentally ill, instead chalking it up to random speculation.
     
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Well beards are scratchy...
My beard never scratches me

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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
What do lesbians look like? Could you provide me a break-down so I can spot them?
I take this to mean that you DON'T think all lesbains look the same?
Because I wasn't aware that being gay caused you to want to look like the opposite sex. I know a lot of gay people who don't desire to appear to be the opposite sex.
I take this to mean that you DO think all lesbians look the same?

So, lesbians want to look like men?
No silly, they all want to look like swans

(male swans, I'm sure)


I'm guessing we are dealing with two separate issues here, unless of course being gay is (or can be) just part of some overall sexual identity confusion or something.
Oh just admit it already. You're a lesbian. This is a safe place for you, you're among friends. We won't judge you.
     
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Jul 22, 2010, 11:28 AM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
defense of reasonable grooming as compared to your peers
Sounds like the sequel bill to the defense of marriage act.
     
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Grooming is important to attract the opposite sex, and for your country:
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
It's in defense of reasonable grooming as compared to your peers. Most men shave. Most women manage their eyebrows. These things are the norm, not an unusual effort made to appear different from the norm.
Noted.

Third time's a charm. Is a lack of facial hair "naturally masculine"?
     
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So. We've learned that you're insane if you wear too much makeup, or if you wear none. Changing from a B to a D doesn't mean you're insane. What about D to B? We need to make a checklist.

Where does the middle ground occur? A woman's choices appear to be either harlot, lesbian, or June Cleaver.

Lesbians wear aprons and cook brownies too you know.
"Math is hard."* A table, or checklist might be confusing.


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Also, does someone have brownies? I swear I thought someone mentioned cooking brownies.
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I have brownies. I recommend putting them in the oven for a few minutes before you eat them. That'll make the chocolate chips all nice and melty.
     
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I like brownies, but only when they have reasonable grooming as compared to their peers.
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Alright, then. stupendousman has officially backed away from any claim that Maddow is mentally ill, instead chalking it up to random speculation.
It's always been random speculation about whether she might have some kind of mental or emotional challenge which has caused such a drastic change. I never claimed one way or another.

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I take this to mean that you DON'T think all lesbains look the same?
No, I don't. I wasn't aware that being a lesbian also made you want to appear to be a man, or at least sometimes that was the case. That seems to be what people are saying here. I'm betting we are dealing with separate issues here.

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Noted.

Third time's a charm. Is a lack of facial hair "naturally masculine"?
Not "naturally masculine". It's simply part of a normal male grooming regimen. Some choose not to, but it is the norm and what most men do.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
No, I don't. I wasn't aware that being a lesbian also made you want to appear to be a man, or at least sometimes that was the case. That seems to be what people are saying here.
I don't think it's that being a lesbian makes one wan to appear to be a man, but, in all likelihood, being a lesbian will probably cause someone to be attracted to different traits, in turn causing some lesbians to groom themselves in ways that will accentuate those traits (just as straight men groom themselves to accentuate traits that they think women are attracted to and women groom themselves to accentuate traits that men are attracted to).

Of course, not all lesbians will be attracted to the same things, just as not all straight men or women are attracted to the same things. Makes it awfully hard to stereotype people, doesn't it?
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
I don't think it's that being a lesbian makes one wan to appear to be a man, but, in all likelihood, being a lesbian will probably cause someone to be attracted to different traits, in turn causing some lesbians to groom themselves in ways that will accentuate those traits (just as straight men groom themselves to accentuate traits that they think women are attracted to and women groom themselves to accentuate traits that men are attracted to).
It seems to me you guys are saying that there are lesbians that are attracted to what typically would be looked upon as traditionally masculine traits. Seems to be a big contradiction there. Women who claim they are attracted to women, who wish to look like men because the mate they are looking to procure finds traits that are traditionally masculine to be attractive. Yeah...I'd say that's probably the result of some kind of gender confusion. Possibly genetic, I suppose. Not normal by any means.

Of course, not all lesbians will be attracted to the same things, just as not all straight men or women are attracted to the same things. Makes it awfully hard to stereotype people, doesn't it?
It's not hard to look at a situation and seeing something that diverges from the norm so greatly, and that seems to make little logical sense, to figure that there's something more to what's going on than simple fashion choices.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Not normal by any means.
Not normal from *your* perspective, perhaps (it's annoying how subjective "normal" can be, isn't it?). Certainly not uncommon. I work with 3 lesbians, 2 of whom groom themselves in ways that you would describe as "masculine".
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Not "naturally masculine". It's simply part of a normal male grooming regimen. Some choose not to, but it is the norm and what most men do.
Is there a rationale for your application of a double standard?

The male norm is not to look natural. Why is it when women do the same they are natural?
     
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I've lost track of the thread of conversation in here. What are we down to now? Last I checked stupendousman used his preference to conformism to infer that the strongly divergent have mental problems. What have I missed?
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton
I take this to mean that you DON'T think all lesbains look the same?
No, I don't. I wasn't aware that being a lesbian also made you want to appear to be a man
Well aren't you a man of contradictions. Do you even listen to yourself?

Being a Mac user doesn't make you want to dress like this:

But you can be pretty sure that anyone wearing that is a Mac user. Did I just blow your mind?
     
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I let her blow my, uhm, mind



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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Thank you for your substance lacking personal attack. That really was a substantial contribution to the debate.

Your acknowledgement that you really don't have anything worth sharing but lots of valueless free time on your hands is duly noted.
Everything you've posted since proves my post that the above was in reply to.

You know nothing about the subject yet continue with ignorant crap.
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Not normal from *your* perspective, perhaps (it's annoying how subjective "normal" can be, isn't it?). Certainly not uncommon. I work with 3 lesbians, 2 of whom groom themselves in ways that you would describe as "masculine".
Not normal from any true perspective. Most women simply don't do this. We are probably talking about a tiny fraction of the population of women who could possibly be suffering from some kind of gender identity issues if they feel compelled to do things in a traditionally masculine way.

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Is there a rationale for your application of a double standard?

The male norm is not to look natural. Why is it when women do the same they are natural?
The male norm is for them to groom themselves in a way that gives them a clean, minimalist look to their facial hair. The same is true of females. No double standard that I can see.

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Everything you've posted since proves my post that the above was in reply to.

You know nothing about the subject yet continue with ignorant crap.
Your unsupported opinion is noted.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Not normal from any true perspective. Most women simply don't do this. We are probably talking about a tiny fraction of the population of women who could possibly be suffering from some kind of gender identity issues if they feel compelled to do things in a traditionally masculine way.
Why? Why? Why? Why? WHYYYY??

If a women wants to have short hair, that is their choice. If they don't want to wear makeup, also their choice. If they want to wear khakis, ditto. If they want to forgo shaving their legs, ditto. None of this means they have "gender identity issues", necessarily. There are no rules for what a man or woman must look like except for the ones in your head.

The male norm is for them to groom themselves in a way that gives them a clean, minimalist look to their facial hair. The same is true of females. No double standard that I can see.
Do men with big ass beards have gender identity issues? Should I ask about metrosexual men?

Your unsupported opinion is noted.

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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
they feel compelled to do things in a traditionally masculine way.
"compelled?" Not "preferred?"

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Let's not confuse natural with "cultural norms." Cultural norms change with the times, the place, and with whatever advertisers are trying to sell us. Natural is the way God (or other) made us, without added crap. I know lots of hetero women who also look like Maddow. They have attracted traditional male mates and don't have gender confusion.

If we had more than 5 women on 'NN, we could have a survey and see how many conform to television star level of makeup and grooming on a daily basis.

It is really interesting how one can plant ideas with a seed of a word. It can make one feel innocent of slander, yet give one the secret satisfaction of getting a point across and a dig in. Added bonus for hinting that anyone who doesn't understand you literally is intellectually lacking, and well then, icing.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Not normal from any true perspective.
"True" perspective.

It's always the adjectives that make stupendousman's posts worth reading.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Let's not confuse natural with "cultural norms." Cultural norms change with the times, the place, and with whatever advertisers are trying to sell us. Natural is the way God (or other) made us, without added crap. I know lots of hetero women who also look like Maddow. They have attracted traditional male mates and don't have gender confusion.

If we had more than 5 women on 'NN, we could have a survey and see how many conform to television star level of makeup and grooming on a daily basis.

It is really interesting how one can plant ideas with a seed of a word. It can make one feel innocent of slander, yet give one the secret satisfaction of getting a point across and a dig in. Added bonus for hinting that anyone who doesn't understand you literally is intellectually lacking, and well then, icing.

What I'm dying to know is whether stupendousman has a hard time choosing words that appropriately convey what he is intending to say, or whether he truly feels the way he does about the norms of genders, sexuality, homosexuality, and all of the other stuff that gets him into trouble here.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I know lots of hetero women who also look like Maddow. They have attracted traditional male mates and don't have gender confusion.
This. Ask my friend Mickey. She's hetero, buzzes her head, doesn't wear much (if any) makeup, and constantly has boys fawning over her.

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What I'm dying to know is whether stupendousman has a hard time choosing words that appropriately convey what he is intending to say, or whether he truly feels the way he does about the norms of genders, sexuality, homosexuality, and all of the other stuff that gets him into trouble here.
And this.

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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post

The male norm is for them to groom themselves in a way that gives them a clean, minimalist look to their facial hair. The same is true of females. No double standard that I can see.
I'm curious as to how you arrived at such an unsupported conclusion. As I've said before, you don't get out into the public much. I deal with the public every day (in large numbers), and your "clean, minimalist look to their facial hair" just isn't so. There are millions of men with beards, mustaches, VanDykes, etc., and for you to make such a statement shows how little you actually know about the subject, which has been pointed out more than once here, by more than one person.



Your unsupported opinion is noted.
As is yours, backed up only by your closed mind.
     
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Jul 26, 2010, 08:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Not normal from any true perspective.
How is a "true perspective" defined?
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
How is a "true perspective" defined?
A start would be to admit you don't have a true perspective, then bow out of this thread gracefully.

Not gonna happen, not with someone who needs stupendous as moniker.
     
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A woman with very short hair wearing a pretty feminine dress!

YouTube - Erykah Badu 'Orange Moon' Live at North Sea Jazz Festival


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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
A woman with very short hair wearing a pretty feminine dress!

YouTube - Erykah Badu 'Orange Moon' Live at North Sea Jazz Festival


Cue exploding heads!
Clearly she must have some sort of mental illness for not adhering to stupendousman's "true perspective" of what women must look like.

... hmmmm ... in which other cultures have we seen where the men dictate how women should look?
     
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Look, proof that stupendousman is right!

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