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The Final Dakar
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Or... it's good? I'm a formidable opponent.
Against stimulating conversation.
     
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Ouch... okay, you win this round Dakar, but don't you worry, I'll be back!
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 01:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Do you realize how thick in irony this is? You rant and rave practically daily here about what you think a liberal is, as if we all thought alike. You even generalize about "lefties" right here in this very paragraph...

Logical disconnect?
It's called projection. If what I'm reading about it is right, BadKosh is just trying to tell you that he's sweet on you besson3c...
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 01:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
It's called projection.
Not one, but two punchlines on that page. Amazing.
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 01:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton
It's called projection (Projection - Conservapedia). If what I'm reading about it is right, BadKosh is just trying to tell you that he's sweet on you besson3c...
Well, I'm not all that surprised, to be honest... It is my belief that at least half of you have regularly occurring erotic fantasies about me, especially Dakar.
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 02:06 PM
 
This thread is proof that BadKosh is a parody account. Get the sockpuppet!
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 04:42 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
It's called projection. If what I'm reading about it is right, BadKosh is just trying to tell you that he's sweet on you besson3c...
In psychology, projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. For an extreme example see homosexuality.
Wait... what? I don't even see a connection... are they saying that gay people are only gay because they... think other people are gay... or that straight people are gay and are projecting it onto gay people... or...

*headsplosion*

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Jul 28, 2010, 04:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Do you realize how thick in irony this is? You rant and rave practically daily here about what you think a liberal is, as if we all thought alike. You even generalize about "lefties" right here in this very paragraph...

Logical disconnect?
Probably your inability to see yourself as others do. You are also a parody, as your posts imply.
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 04:49 PM
 
So you think I'm supposed to say "I'm Wrong" about MY OPINION?
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 04:52 PM
 
You're a trip, BadKosh...
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 04:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So you think I'm supposed to say "I'm Wrong" about MY OPINION?
Saying "I'm Wrong" about ANYTHING would be a good first step for you.
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 04:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So you think I'm supposed to say "I'm Wrong" about MY OPINION?
Opinion: "Bacon-wrapped sausages are/aren't delicious."
Fact: "Bacon-wrapped sausages are/aren't bad for your cholesterol level."

Opinion: "Conservapedia is/isn't humorous to read."
Fact: "Conservapedia is/isn't intended as a parody."

Believing or disbelieving a verifiable fact does not qualify as an opinion.

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Originally Posted by TheoCryst View Post
Opinion: "Bacon-wrapped sausages are/aren't delicious."
Fact: "Bacon-wrapped sausages are/aren't bad for your cholesterol level."

Opinion: "Conservapedia is/isn't humorous to read."
Fact: "Conservapedia is/isn't intended as a parody."

Believing or disbelieving a verifiable fact does not qualify as an opinion.
And somehow in the process I became a parody
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 05:12 PM
 
Wait a minute, maybe I am a parody... hmmm....
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 05:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So you think I'm supposed to say "I'm Wrong" about MY OPINION?
You don't have to say "I'm Wrong" when you're demonstrably wrong, but it would help you look less clownish like a parody if you at least stop insisting you're right.
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 05:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Wait a minute, maybe I am a parody... hmmm....
Maybe you're a parity...
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 06:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
As a follow-up, have any of you been tempted to make "corrections" to pages (or the Wikipedia, for that matter)? I think the Conservapedia needs a page all about besson3c.
No to "do I use Conservapedia" and yes I've been tempted to edit a Wikipedia submission. For "Southern Strategy" the submission tried to imply that Reagan planned a speech at the Neshoba County Fair to rekindle segregationist sentiment via "state's rights" in a region hostile to blacks. Nothing in the submission about the speech itself, why the fair was chosen, and the fact that he hopped a plane and was in Manhattan the next day for a speech at the Urban League.
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Jul 28, 2010, 07:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
And somehow in the process I became a parody
Both a parody and a highly-effective reference for an educational moment!

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Jul 28, 2010, 10:43 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Of course it's a parody. Libs are so easily fooled!
it is?
     
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Jul 28, 2010, 11:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by ironknee View Post
it is?
That comment was meant in parody of other comments.
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 12:16 AM
 
have u guys watched this interview with the creator on that racist, conservative stephen colbert ?

Andy Schlafly | December 8, 2009 - Andy Schlafly | ColbertNation.com
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 07:24 AM
 
Originally Posted by TheoCryst View Post
Opinion: "Bacon-wrapped sausages are/aren't delicious."
Fact: "Bacon-wrapped sausages are/aren't bad for your cholesterol level."

Opinion: "Conservapedia is/isn't humorous to read."
Fact: "Conservapedia is/isn't intended as a parody."

Believing or disbelieving a verifiable fact does not qualify as an opinion.
LOL Verifiable fact? Its at best a judgement call. Have you read through the entire Conservapedia? I ' haven't. Did I browse through it for a few minutes? Yes. Did I read things that looked suspicious? Yes. My opinion is based on what I saw. Do I care what the originators intended it to be? No. I don't read minds. Assuming others intentions is still an opinion, NOT a fact.
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 08:11 AM
 
I predict that this thread will be linked as a belittling reference in many future threads.
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Jul 29, 2010, 09:20 AM
 
Just a reminder that a desperately want a basement dwelling MacNN member to start a MacNNpedia, just for stuff like this.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
LOL Verifiable fact? Its at best a judgement call. Have you read through the entire Conservapedia? I ' haven't. Did I browse through it for a few minutes? Yes. Did I read things that looked suspicious? Yes. My opinion is based on what I saw. Do I care what the originators intended it to be? No. I don't read minds. Assuming others intentions is still an opinion, NOT a fact.
let's remember this point next time you watch foxnews

opinion ≠ fact
     
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Originally Posted by ironknee View Post
let's remember this point next time you watch foxnews

opinion ≠ fact
And YOU should remember this as you watch CNN, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, or any of the bought and paid for lib talking heads in the libMedia.
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 12:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
This thread should go no where.
Though I imagine a BadKosh cameo is probably more likely than not.
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 12:33 PM
 
Crap. Do I have to admit I was wrong on that first count, or maybe extremely right?
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 12:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Crap. Do I have to admit I was wrong on that first count, or maybe extremely right?
Certainly not! But whatever you do, don't call me a parody...




That would be parrot-y.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
And YOU should remember this as you watch CNN, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, or any of the bought and paid for lib talking heads in the libMedia.
my god, it's a conspiracy!
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 02:54 PM
 
Do a little 'content review'.

NewsBusters.org | Exposing Liberal Media Bias
     
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Jul 29, 2010, 03:08 PM
 
I repeat: you're a trip BadKosh...
     
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OMG just let it go!

Conservapedia is NOT intended to be a "parody" site. It's founder, Andy Schlafly, is as serious as a heart attack about it being an alternative to what he perceives to be the liberal "bias" in Wikipedia. His mother, Phyllis Schlafly founder of the Eagle Forum, is an icon among conservative, anti-feminist women. And on a side note, his cousin Thomas Schlafly makes really good beer.

Having said that, many of our good friends on the right seemed to have difficulty realizing that Stephen Colbert's show is actually using parody and satire to make fun of them. Perhaps BadKosh is suffering from an inverse effect and that explains why s/he is having such difficulty here.

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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Do a little 'content review'.

NewsBusters.org | Exposing Liberal Media Bias
Haha. Want to talk about a parody site? 'Biased Conservatives Exposing Liberal Media Bias'. What a joke!
     
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It's founder, Andy Schlafly, is as serious as a heart attack about it being an alternative to what he perceives to be the liberal "bias" in Wikipedia.
Well hey now, we all know that facts have a 'liberal bias'.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Do a little 'content review'.

NewsBusters.org | Exposing Liberal Media Bias
...as you link to a project founded by a conservative activist.

Astounding. Just...incredibly, amazingly astounding.

My recent advice to Big Mac would also apply to you: don't ever try to sit and reflect on your own viewpoints. You'd have a meltdown trying to logically reconcile them.

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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Do a little 'content review'.

NewsBusters.org | Exposing Liberal Media Bias
lolz...now this is a parody!

no one can be that biased ...
     
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Jul 30, 2010, 07:32 AM
 
Did you actually READ any of it?
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Did you actually READ any of it?
Of course not. Sketchy journalism is exclusive to conservative media outlets BadKosh. The truth of your critics is that their primary sources of news are comprised of shilling disguised as humor (only attacks on the left are for not being left enough), blatant partisanship; overwhelmingly democratic in party affiliation, and have gone beyond mere bias to outright corruption.
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Of course not. Sketchy journalism is exclusive to conservative media outlets BadKosh. The truth of your critics is that their primary sources of news are comprised of shilling disguised as humor (only attacks on the left are for not being left enough), blatant partisanship; overwhelmingly democratic in party affiliation, and have gone beyond mere bias to outright corruption.
Considering my primary sources of news are Canadian news outlets, I find it surprising that you're so up on your knowledge of international politics and the level(s) of bias and outright corruption in the Canadian newspaper industry.

Other than that, both of you sweetly missed - or ignored - "the point." I believe it had nothing to do with whether particular news outlets had a given level of bias.

Instead, I think it had something to do with the tactic of using a "conservative activist" news outlet to prove the liberal bias of other news outlets.

Does that not start ringing any bells in either of your heads? No? No bells? No caution signs thrown up by internal self-evaluators? No?

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Yep, I read some of it. When I linked in, the home page had a couple of posts on Obama's appearance on 'The View', a post referring to Oliver Stone consistently as 'Anti-American Oliver Stone' (nah, no bias there), and various and sundry other posts basically boiling down to:

'OH NOEZ! SOME OF THE FOLKS IN TEH MEDIAZ IZZZ TEH LIBRULZ! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!'

Failing to see one's own bias while whining about someone else's? Priceless!
     
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Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
Of course not. Sketchy journalism is exclusive to conservative media outlets BadKosh. The truth of your critics is that their primary sources of news are comprised of shilling disguised as humor (only attacks on the left are for not being left enough), blatant partisanship; overwhelmingly democratic in party affiliation, and have gone beyond mere bias to outright corruption.

Jump the gun much?

This thread is about one particular "source", I have not made the assertion that sketchy journalism is exclusive to anything.
     
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Ever since the first newspaper, men realized they could sell twice as more broadsheets by offering opposing views in two different papers.

NYTimes, NYPost.
Boston Globe, Boston Herald.

I think the difference is who is pretending to be fair and balanced, as the journalistic ideal dictates, but the business office denies.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Did you actually READ any of it?
yes and it had a conservative slant on life.

isn't the idea of the press is to be neutral when reporting the news?

if you think media is bias towards the left, you don't start a media outlet that's biased towards the right, that's called "2 wrongs don't make a right" thing
     
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No one takes conservapedia seriously, freaky conservatives aside.
You can feed them anything that that even hints at anti liberal, true or not, and they'll drool all over themselves and their pals as they suck the hate in.

Ain't political forums great.
     
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Originally Posted by screener View Post
No one takes conservapedia seriously, freaky conservatives aside.
You can feed them anything that that even hints at anti liberal, true or not, and they'll drool all over themselves and their pals as they suck the hate in.

Ain't political forums great.

Which is why I think it would be fun to test that theory...

Maybe one of us should submit that "research indicates that 20% of all liberals are homosexuals", or something like that?
     
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Other than that, both of you sweetly missed - or ignored - "the point." I believe it had nothing to do with whether particular news outlets had a given level of bias.

Instead, I think it had something to do with the tactic of using a "conservative activist" news outlet to prove the liberal bias of other news outlets.

Does that not start ringing any bells in either of your heads? No? No bells? No caution signs thrown up by internal self-evaluators? No?

greg
Oh, at the surface is there a concern that a "conservative activist" news outlet might slanderously indict other media outlets for a liberal bias in error? Certainly. Are the facts newsbusters.org providing to bolster their claims mistaken? Are they not corroborated by a wealth of third-party sources, surveys, or studies?

In other words, do you have any other critique of BadKosh's source? I ask because at present all you've offered to refute the view is that the source of it is conservative activism. I'm sure you're missing the irony of your complaint as it should be throwing up all kinds of bells, cautions, and red flags. A little internal, self-evaluation might go a long way at this point.
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Which is why I think it would be fun to test that theory...
research indicates that 20% of all liberals are homosexuals[citation needed]
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Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
In other words, do you have any other critique of BadKosh's source? I ask because at present all you've offered to refute the view is that the source of it is conservative activism.
Well, other than the fact that it seems to be essentially a running blog of examples of when "not-Fox-News" media has made an on-air factual mistake or contradiction?

I mean, the link gave me a page that started with a post showing that a CNN anchor apparently doesn't quite understand how a volcano works, or why they're present in Iceland. Well, knock me over with a stick. If I polled 150 million people in America they probably wouldn't be able to explain those concepts to me off the top of their head.

It's a news anchor. I expect them to look good and talk smoothly and give me what they think I need to know. Criticise the guy for giving an idiotic interview if you want something valid. As it is, making fun of his lack of knowledge about plate tectonics is, quite simply, the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet this week.

How about This piece: Laura Ingraham Destroys Marc Lamont Hill on Obama, Immigration and Racism.
I read it. Wow. That's their definition of "destroyed"?

What would their title be for this thread then? "Various members shove nuclear bomb up BadKosh's rear end in MacNN debate?"

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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Jump the gun much?

This thread is about one particular "source", I have not made the assertion that sketchy journalism is exclusive to anything.
Touchy much? BadKosh cited an article from newsbusters.org regarding a liberal bias in media and someone else found it laughable that a "conservative" source would be credible for such an article when nothing was challenged of the article's actual substance. The fact is, a liberal bias in the mainstream media is not only well-documented in terms of the political-affiliation of the majority of journalists themselves (they're rather open about it and in many cases downright activist), but perceived as such by the overwhelming majority of Americans.

To your topic, outlets like Conservapedia, whether effective or not, were conceived as a reaction to something else. In this case a check to Wikipedia where examples of its contributors' bias abound and a means of avoiding exhaustive combat with revisionists.
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