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Grrr · May 14, 2003, 01:25 PM

No more leaked Beta's.. No fresh news or rumors around that I have seen concering new updates..
I've been very impressed with this browser so far.. So was just wondering if there was any fresh gossip on it?
If so, Please tell!

Since EBCDIC · May 14, 2003, 02:11 PM

The browser is finished. It's feature-complete. What more could you want from it?

Seriously, tho, I'm more used to OmniGroup's very frequent SneakyPeek builds of OmniWeb. Made me feel better, to see that work was being done on it.

Remember that Apple has never subscribed to that model. It's always been long periods of quiet and then a release. The OS updates have been the most active thing from Apple. I suspect that even if the browser group wanted to do an interim beta release every two weeks (or every night) that upper management would sit on them, preaching the release only when done mantra.

Having been a programmer, and having done quality assurance, and having dealt with customers, I see all three sides of this argument. That having been said, Apple please let your folks release beta software to the geeks at large. If only through ADC if necessary, so that only people who are willing to sign up (for free, as it is now) and download from another place.

Yoda's Erotic Piggyback · May 14, 2003, 02:45 PM

Everyone got their tabs and auto complete so the bitching has stopped for a while.

Now for them to iron out the bugs that cause so many sites not to work.

Angus_D · May 14, 2003, 03:22 PM

Apple stopped the external seeding programme due to the excessive leaking, and I'm guessing they're all pretty busy working towards WWDC.

wtmcgee · May 14, 2003, 03:40 PM

most of the work is under the hood right now - hammering out the bugs in webcore and layout issues.

we may see one more beta before the final release, which will most likely ship with 10.3.

if you're hoping for a slew of new features before 1.0 though, you may be mistaken. there may be some more polish on existing features (hyatt's weblog says that they finally got 'check spelling as you type' to stay on if you choose to enable it), but i don't know if there will be a ton of new things in the final.

mitchell_pgh · May 14, 2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by wtmcgee:
hyatt's weblog says that they finally got 'check spelling as you type' to stay on if you choose to enable it), but i don't know if there will be a ton of new things in the final.

That's the last small issue for me (minus a random bomb here and there)

I can't get enough of it...

Peter · May 14, 2003, 04:28 PM

Safari has everything it needs. I heard that Camino will have ad blocking soon.
What more features would you like for Safari, other than the small bug fixes.

ctbritt · May 14, 2003, 05:05 PM

headers and footers on the page printouts, and a smart handling of page breaks so it doesn't break pages in the middle of text lines. that would be nice.

eevyl · May 14, 2003, 05:22 PM

I think Safari is feature complete right now, well waiting for the iSync update to be able to syncronize the bookmarks, but the hooks are in the current Safari Beta 2.

I bet they are working now fixing bugs and improving compatibility.

And well I hope they are also finishing the public wrapper to use WebCore in any application without the need to do reverse enginering.

TC · May 15, 2003, 03:57 AM

I'd like to see some kind of scrapbook feature. This is the only thing I go back to explorer for.
Even Mozilla allows you to save pages complete with all their images.

Being able to subscribe to bookmarks so they get checked for changes automatically.

Better use of cached pages so you can surf your history while you're offline.

Some way of filtering bookmarks, implement it in a similar way to the filter on iTunes.

Include keywords and descriptions for pages in the stored bookmarks + allow these to be used in the filter. So filtering on computer would still show up sites like Apple for example.

If you where filtering on pages in the history then use the cached pages to check the text of the page for those words. Omniweb does this kind of search on your history.

Better organization tools for bookmarks. I have lots of bookmarks which appear in 2 places such as in my own collections and in the bookmark's bar. You should be able to create shortcuts to bookmarks or folders of bookmarks to make it easier to update these.
I'd also like to have the option of all the collections appearing in the bookmark menu not just bookmarks bar, address book and rendezvous.

(I was going to ask to be able to duplicate bookmarks since in previous versions I could only move bookmarks between folders and not copy them but this works fine in Beta 2.)

superblue · May 15, 2003, 04:53 AM

Flash printability and a more elgant downloads window - be it via tabs or sheets or something... is all I'd like now.

Webscreamer · May 15, 2003, 09:16 AM

I really wanna see

- a Partially Dowloaded File Icon
- Get Info on downloaded files to see the address
- Time remaining on downloads
- Customizable Address Bar(menu bar)
- Dividers you can place between booksmarks in Bookmarks Menu

solitere · May 15, 2003, 10:30 AM

I would like to see that you could download in Safari files and images to a specific place on the harddisk. Like in OmniWeb and Camino and all other browsers.

Grrr · May 15, 2003, 07:41 PM

Ooo.. Do you think they heard me?

(Hums Twilight Zone theme tune)

Apfhex · 08:10 PM

Originally posted by solitere:
I would like to see that you could download in Safari files and images to a specific place on the harddisk. Like in OmniWeb and Camino and all other browsers.

This is the one feature I most want to see in Safari. That, and have it not download the image again when you save it to disk! These things kept me from using Safari for quite a while, until I just gave up.

I would also like to see an improved downloads window just as superblue stated. Or at least the ability to get the files' URL.

Peter · 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
I really wanna see
...
- Dividers you can place between booksmarks in Bookmarks Menu

http://images.peterszone.co.uk/safaribar.jpg
I just create a little bookmark linked to http://null

I like it.

--NO HUGE INLINE IMAGES!!! -- tooki

IronPen · May 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by solitere:
I would like to see that you could download in Safari files and images to a specific place on the harddisk. Like in OmniWeb and Camino and all other browsers.

You can! Safari uses the System Prefs setting. Go to Internet then select the Web tab. Select where you want downloads directed. A restart of Safari is required. However, there is no way to tell Safari where to save each specific download.

gorickey · 02:32 PM

Originally posted by PeterClark2002:
[removed image]
I just create a little bookmark linked to http://null I like it.

I've done that same thing; however, with "?" (bullet point) instead of the "-"...

-- DON'T QUOTE HUGE IMAGES, EITHER! --tooki

Sharky K. · May 16, 2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by superblue:
Flash printability.

vector printing of course

gorickey · May 16, 2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
-- DON'T QUOTE HUGE IMAGES, EITHER! --tooki

OKAY TOOKI, I HEAR YA LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!!!

kupan787 · May 17, 2003, 02:59 AM

So does the new beta keep spell checking active? I haven't had a chance to download it yet (I am away form my machine), and am just wondering.

Peter · May 18, 2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by PeterClark2002:

--NO HUGE INLINE IMAGES!!! -- tooki

Sorry...