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Abu Ghraib to be destroyed.
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U.S. to Demolish Abu Ghraib Prison with Iraqi Okay
May 24, 2004 � WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States will demolish Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison in consultation with the incoming government as a way of symbolizing the country's new start, the White House said on Monday.
The prison near Baghdad, scene of torture under Saddam Hussein and of a prisoner abuse scandal under the U.S. military, would be replaced by a new maximum security prison funded by the U.S. government, the White House said in a statement. The statement was issued ahead of a prime time speech on the future of Iraq by President Bush.
"Under Saddam Hussein, prisons like Abu Ghraib were symbols of death and torture. That same prison became a symbol of disgraceful conduct by a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded our values," the statement said.
"America will fund the construction of a modern, maximum security prison. When that prison is completed, detainees at Abu Ghraib will be relocated.
"Then, with the approval of the Iraqi government, we will demolish the Abu Ghraib prison as a fitting symbol of Iraq's new beginning," it added.
It's about time this infamy be eradicated...
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Seems odd that the US would have even used Abu Gharib at all, it had a reputation prior to the occupation.
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So a maximum security jail will be "a fitting symbol of Iraq's new beginning".
Funnier and funnier.
I know you Yanks mean well, but **** you're stupid.
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Err, no, the demolishing of Abu Ghraib is what the statement refers to as a symbol of Iraq's new beginning.
Nice try tho
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The demolishing of Abu Ghraib was the only concrete thing to come out of his speech tonight. Five weeks till the deadline, and there was no mention of exactly to whom we'll be handing over sovereignty.
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Originally posted by voyageur:
The demolishing of Abu Ghraib was the only concrete thing to come out of his speech tonight. Five weeks till the deadline, and there was no mention of exactly to whom we'll be handing over sovereignty.
The reactions to the lack of details have been amusing:
"We have gone on now with the sense of 'We will stay the course' for too long," said Feinstein, who voted to authorize Bush to take military action against Iraq. "We need to know precisely what that course is."
Appearing on the same program, Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska warned that Bush has isolated himself from veteran lawmakers from both parties who could help the administration find a solution to the problem of Iraq.
"What I'm saying is that at a time that's as complicated and dangerous as any time in modern history, today, a president of the United States needs to hear other opinions," Hagel said.
"He must reach out. He must understand a bigger view, a wider-lens view of the world. To essentially hold himself hostage to two or three key advisers and never reach beyond that is very dangerous for a president."
David Gergen, who has served as an adviser to both Democratic and Republican presidents, said Bush must offer "a clear, credible plan for success."
"I think he does need to break new ground here," Gergen told CNN Monday. "I don't think he can simply repackage rhetoric and repackage 'Stay the course.' "
Bush's former special envoy to the Middle East, retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, said Sunday that staying the course in Iraq is a bad idea when "the course is headed over Niagara Falls."
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Originally posted by voyageur:
The demolishing of Abu Ghraib was the only concrete thing to come out of his speech tonight. Five weeks till the deadline, and there was no mention of exactly to whom we'll be handing over sovereignty.
Probably just another contract for Halliburton.
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Originally posted by vmpaul:
Probably just another contract for Halliburton.
Well, they are the experts with the most experience over there after all.
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Another big stack of pages is causing concern over at the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is investigating abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. Committee aides discovered belatedly that their copy of the 6,000-page report on prison abuses produced by Major General Antonio M. Taguba might not be complete. The copy they got after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's testimony on May 7 was a thick document with 106 annexes, and it was quickly arranged into separate binders. Only later did the committee stack up all the pages, compare them with a ream of 6,000 blank pages and decide that at least 2,000 pages were missing. "We'd certainly like to know why they're missing," said Republican Senator John McCain. Pentagon spokesman Larry Dirita insisted, "If there is some shortfall in what was provided, it was an oversight." Committee staff members haven't actually counted the pages. Chairman John Warner will investigate this week to see what is missing.
2000 missing pages of torture report?
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Originally posted by Face Ache:
2000 missing pages of torture report?
Interesting.
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Very. Anyone else notice how the Prez stumbled over the words "Abu Ghraib" in his speech three times in a row, almost as if he had never heard or said them before?
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Originally posted by Saad:
Seems odd that the US would have even used Abu Gharib at all, it had a reputation prior to the occupation.
True enough, but it was there, and with the only other option being to build an entirely new prison right then, they made do with what they had.
Either way, I see this as a positive step, at least symbolically. What has already happened can never be erased, but a public symbolic break with the past can be a powerful thing for both sides.
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Very. Anyone else notice how the Prez stumbled over the words "Abu Ghraib" in his speech three times in a row, almost as if he had never heard or said them before?
After having killed the English language, he is out for Arabic. He is not good at public speaking, and even worse at impromptu public speaking. Anyone remember the QA session after the 9/11 commission interviewed the VP and Bush?
I imagine he can endeer himself to others when he tries, though. His party adores hum.
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Funny stuff.
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The problem, according to a report I heard from a guy who watched the speech in Iraq, is that Iraqis don't think there's anything wrong with the prison, only the people running it, and that the money would be better spent elsewhere. Their response to the news was basically a shrug.
It's also been reported that we've already sunk $50 million into the place.
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The correct way to pronounce Abu Ghraib is abu GHEYreb. the gh is a soft g, like in Hebrew, and a bit long.
Just in case you were curious.
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Originally posted by zigzag:
The problem, according to a report I heard from a guy who watched the speech in Iraq, is that Iraqis don't think there's anything wrong with the prison, only the people running it, and that the money would be better spent elsewhere. Their response to the news was basically a shrug.
It's also been reported that we've already sunk $50 million into the place.
There's already over 100 billion being spent on Iraq. I doubt 50 million will put a dent in anything
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Originally posted by macintologist:
There's already over 100 billion being spent on Iraq. I doubt 50 million will put a dent in anything
from here.
In all, the bill for military operations alone will likely amount to $150 billion by the end of Sept. 30, 2005 - far more than the 1991 Gulf War's cost of $61 billion, Kosiak said.
In addition, $23 billion has been set aside to help rebuild Iraq and train its security personnel, he estimated.
US President George W. Bush's administration this month asked for another $25 billion, mostly for Iraq, for the next fiscal year. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz warned he would be back for more.
$50 million would be a nice addition to the No Child Left Behind program which Bush proposed but didn't fully fund. Maybe a dent in the grand scheme of things but it could make a big difference in any inner city school.
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Originally posted by vmpaul:
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$50 million would be a nice addition to the No Child Left Behind program which Bush proposed but didn't fully fund. Maybe a dent in the grand scheme of things but it could make a big difference in any inner city school.
You have a point.
But if we aren't spending it in Iraq, do you honestly think it would go to an inner city school?
If anything, it will be yet another tax break for the 10 richest americans.
If it was a priority, it would have been done a while back.
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Originally posted by macvillage.net:
You have a point.
But if we aren't spending it in Iraq, do you honestly think it would go to an inner city school?
If anything, it will be yet another tax break for the 10 richest americans.
If it was a priority, it would have been done a while back.
Yeah, you're right. I just brought it up to highlight our priorities these days. It's kind of crazy.
As someone above mentioned, it's odd that one of our first steps is to build a maximum security prison to replace the one we're tearing down. Go figure.
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