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Is "Harsh Realm" the ancestor of "The Matrix"?
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Aug 25, 2004, 07:12 PM
 
I am actually watching Harsh Realm for the first time, and I keep seeing many similarities. The end appears relatively similar (end of a world).

What do you think?
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Aug 25, 2004, 07:58 PM
 
what is that?
     
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Aug 25, 2004, 08:04 PM
 
Originally posted by ender2002:
what is that?
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Harsh Realm
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Aug 26, 2004, 01:14 AM
 
The reviews on Amazon suggest that Harsh Realm came after The Matrix and used some of the same ideas.
Or maybe it`s just a coincidence.
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Aug 26, 2004, 01:21 AM
 
Originally posted by cszar2001:
The reviews on Amazon suggest that Harsh Realm came after The Matrix and used some of the same ideas.
Or maybe it`s just a coincidence.
The comic came out in 1993... I would guess that the matrix was inked before that... but I could be wrong. The movie came out in 1999, so it could easily have taken 5+ years to get from original idea to the big screen...
     
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Aug 27, 2004, 09:44 PM
 
Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
The comic came out in 1993... I would guess that the matrix was inked before that... but I could be wrong. The movie came out in 1999, so it could easily have taken 5+ years to get from original idea to the big screen...
Well, here it goes.

According to the producer (see DVD Speacial features), the MAtrix camer through not too long after.

"Harsh Realm" was called "The Poor Man's Matrix".

By the way, some episodes of that show were pretty good. Original and innovative. I don't recommend buying it (although I did and have no regrets) but it is certainly worth watching for whover is a sci-fi fan.
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Aug 27, 2004, 09:47 PM
 
They all came from Neromancer.
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Aug 27, 2004, 09:50 PM
 
The Matrix was based on the anime Ghost in the Shell.
     
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Aug 27, 2004, 10:16 PM
 
TRON started it all, anyway...
     
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Aug 27, 2004, 10:25 PM
 
Originally posted by Cadaver:
TRON started it all, anyway...
I think it all started with "King Kong"...

Ort was it "From the Earth To The Moon" by M�li�s?

The problem in using Ghost in the Shell to inspire Matrix is that the referals are pretty weak. Harsh Realm as more similarities with with Matrix than Ghost in the Shell...

GoS does not have an alternate reality that interferes with Reality as clearly as HR.
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Aug 27, 2004, 11:01 PM
 
Originally posted by Cadaver:
TRON started it all, anyway...
Actually, METROPOLIS started it all. You'll see Matrix themes/ideas in a number of films that followed, including: Tron, 1984 MacIntosh Commercial, Harsh Realm, Dark City, Johnny Nmemonic, Virtuosity, etc,. The 'W'bros combined ideas from these and other films to put a fresh spin on the Matrix.
     
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Aug 27, 2004, 11:06 PM
 
Originally posted by rezzi:
Actually, METROPOLIS started it all. You'll see Matrix themes/ideas in a number of films that followed, including: Tron, 1984 MacIntosh Commercial, Harsh Realm, Dark City, Johnny Nmemonic, Virtuosity, etc,. The 'W'bros combined ideas from these and other films to put a fresh spin on the Matrix.
nice review of the theme.
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Aug 28, 2004, 01:07 AM
 
Originally posted by Scifience:
The Matrix was based on the anime Ghost in the Shell.
Which was based on Neuromancer.
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Aug 28, 2004, 01:08 AM
 
Originally posted by rezzi:
Actually, METROPOLIS started it all. You'll see Matrix themes/ideas in a number of films that followed, including: Tron, 1984 MacIntosh Commercial, Harsh Realm, Dark City, Johnny Nmemonic, Virtuosity, etc,. The 'W'bros combined ideas from these and other films to put a fresh spin on the Matrix.
NEUROMANCER GOD DAMN IT!!! IT ALL CAME FROM NEUROMANCER!!!
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Aug 28, 2004, 08:30 AM
 
Originally posted by rezzi:
Actually, METROPOLIS started it all. You'll see Matrix themes/ideas in a number of films that followed, including: Tron, 1984 MacIntosh Commercial, Harsh Realm, Dark City, Johnny Nmemonic, Virtuosity, etc,. The 'W'bros combined ideas from these and other films to put a fresh spin on the Matrix.
I'm sure you're right.
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Aug 28, 2004, 11:34 AM
 
Originally posted by olePigeon:
NEUROMANCER GOD DAMN IT!!! IT ALL CAME FROM NEUROMANCER!!!
So true.

Nice sig by the way.
     
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Aug 28, 2004, 12:36 PM
 
OK, OK--NEUROMANCER...! Just put the gun away!
     
   
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