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May 19, 2015, 09:26 PM
 
Yeah, you'll get used to the no-windows very quickly. Not a problem.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
See, I don't fault you for your stance on minivans, it's your solution I find puzzling. On a personal level, it very much feels like the a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

Maybe we could hybridize the terrible and have someone airbrush a wizard on one side and a barbarian warrior with a fur bikini-clad woman at his feet on the other.
Let me try it another way.

Both this and a minivan imply you don't give a shit what the thing looks like. The difference is the minivan implies you don't care because you wear black socks with your sandals, what I bought implies you don't care because you're on the job.

Which is what I am most of the time, and this has on the job amenities, like no windows, and a design presupposing a lifetime of abuse.

That said, I thought the Sienna was pretty hot for a minivan.

     
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May 19, 2015, 09:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Yeah, you'll get used to the no-windows very quickly. Not a problem.
It should be pretty easy to get something welded under the windows should I decide to turtle up completely.

I'd be amused by someone trying to shatter the back window only to find a steel plate.
     
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May 20, 2015, 09:20 AM
 
Minivans are pretty damn useful these days. The Odyssey and Sienna both have a payload of close to 1400lbs, the Sienna has the added benefit of 4WD, although the suspension is a tad soft for the load. They make excellent workhorses too, with surprising towing capabilities. The Honda outperforms the Sienna there, due to the fully independent rear suspension and the more rigid setup.
     
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May 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
 
In fairness, they're also very expensive compared to his work van. I'd only get one of those if passengers are also an issue, which is clearly not the case.
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May 20, 2015, 11:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
In fairness, they're also very expensive compared to his work van. I'd only get one of those if passengers are also an issue, which is clearly not the case.
Absolutely. Although the Grand Caravan in the base configuration is less than $20k.
     
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May 20, 2015, 11:23 AM
 
The Sienna was listing for about $2K more if I bought a four-year-old one.

Not a bad deal. AWD, car plates, and easy passengers are all good things. I'd venture it's safer, too.

I'm exchanging that for cheaper, easier to modify the interior, and meant to be brutalized.
     
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May 20, 2015, 11:49 AM
 
The minivan can't nicely accommodate one of these ****nuts:

     
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May 20, 2015, 01:31 PM
 
Whoo-hoo! Found the place where you go to get this kind of shit for your truck.

I need carpeting, stat! I know I could do it myself, but I'm totally happy letting someone else **** with it.
     
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May 20, 2015, 01:40 PM
 
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May 20, 2015, 01:42 PM
 
Uh-oh. There's a rabbit hole.
     
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May 20, 2015, 01:44 PM
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, and it doesn't surprise me in the least... there's a non-trivial improvement in how I'm being treated by other drivers.
     
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, and it doesn't surprise me in the least... there's a non-trivial improvement in how I'm being treated by other drivers.
Why do you think that is?
     
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May 20, 2015, 01:48 PM
 
Man in a white van is to be treated seriously.

The best vehicle I've ever owned for that purpose was an old ex-Army Land Rover with double T bars for bumpers. Even cabbies gave ample space.
     
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Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
Uh-oh. There's a rabbit hole.
I'm hoping I can anchor myself in not wanting to mess up all the contiguous open space I have.

In my head I only need:

1) Carpeting on the floor
2) Maybe one of those shelves (which I gather are relatively easy to remove)
3) Maybe a ladder rack
     
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May 20, 2015, 01:51 PM
 
Sleeping bag
Rolled up futon
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May 20, 2015, 01:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Why do you think that is?
A combo of people respecting tradesmen and being jealous of rich people.
     
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Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
Sleeping bag
Rolled up futon
Coffee maker
Futon would take too much space, and I don't drink coffee, but the sleeping bag is an awesome idea.

I did realize I should have a couple pillows as ass protection for emergency passengers.
     
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May 20, 2015, 02:03 PM
 
Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
Man in a white van is to be treated seriously.

The best vehicle I've ever owned for that purpose was an old ex-Army Land Rover with double T bars for bumpers. Even cabbies gave ample space.
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A combo of people respecting tradesmen and being jealous of rich people.
Respect or fear? I tend to give guys in the white van berth because I doubt they own it so I don't give shit if they hit me merging and also they weigh a lot more than my kia, so **** you, thats why.
     
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May 20, 2015, 02:04 PM
 
Inflatable mattress, small compressor.
     
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May 20, 2015, 02:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Respect or fear? I tend to give guys in the white van berth because I doubt they own it so I don't give shit if they hit me merging and also they weigh a lot more than my kia, so **** you, thats why.
Interesting.

Fear doesn't kick in for me until I'm dealing with an actual truck. This is even in tiny cars.

The kind of things I'm noticing are more respect oriented (I would guess). I'm trying to turn into stopped traffic, and the driver of the relevant car makes the effort to get my attention and let me know they're going to let me in.

This would happen once a month in the X5, while it's happened three times since I've bough the van.
     
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Inflatable mattress, small compressor.
Perfect!
     
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May 20, 2015, 03:13 PM
 
Beer fridge...

Try that in a minivan.
     
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May 20, 2015, 03:23 PM
 
Next week:
     
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May 20, 2015, 08:12 PM
 
Speaking of new vehicles, this rolled off the truck here bright and early this mornin'. She's getting prepped for her new film, guards, and tint.





Those Pirellis probably won't last very long.
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May 21, 2015, 08:36 AM
 
I'm not trying to kill the thread or anything like that, I was just excited.
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May 21, 2015, 09:43 AM
 
I was about to say... the only thing that's good for hauling is ass.
     
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May 21, 2015, 10:37 AM
 
Also...

And, that's a hot car. Much hotter than the Sienna.
     
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Next week:
Thought about it... would have been a go if it had jockey boxes.
     
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Beer fridge...

Try that in a minivan.
Though the above was in intentionally dumb idea, a not-****ing-around size inverter may be a good idea.
     
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May 21, 2015, 12:55 PM
 
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I'm not trying to kill the thread or anything like that, I was just excited.
More pictures please, I've never seen a white McLaren of any sort.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Speaking of new vehicles, this rolled off the truck here bright and early this mornin'.
Honda Element, nice.
     
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And how do you work the slider on the tint with regard to the spread of state laws?
     
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Honda Element, nice.
Fastest Honda Element... in the world.

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And how do you work the slider on the tint with regard to the spread of state laws?
Here it's 35% on the back and sides but I have gone as low as 30% on a few cars.
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Can you see a DL through 30?
     
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Yeah... barely.
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Fastest Honda Element... in the world.


You put work into a Honda Element?

     
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Well, it's the special McLaren edition, so...
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I think the Promaster looks almost exactly like a Honda Element.
     
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Okay... exactly is overdoing it, but there's a definite similarity.



     
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Well, it's the special McLaren edition, so...
You do realize there is a Honda Element in that second photo, right?
     
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Seems like a very utilitarian type of car. I just hope it is reliable and gets decent gas mileage.
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Okay... exactly is overdoing it, but there's a definite similarity.



The Honda looks like the other car, only shorter and with a nose job.
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You do realize there is a Honda Element in that second photo, right?
and there's a `74 911S Targa in the 3rd. I have no idea why the Honda was there, one of the guys is probably working on it for a family member. I didn't ask.
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Beer fridge...

Try that in a minivan.
They come built-in now.

     
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A combo of people respecting tradesmen and being jealous of rich people.
This is my favorite thing ever. My Focus cost $17,000. My BMW cost $2000. Which one makes me a rich asshole?

Per Doug Demuro
     
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This is my favorite thing ever. My Focus cost $17,000. My BMW cost $2000. Which one makes me a rich asshole?

Per Doug Demuro
The BMW. Same way you can date a random 18 year-old at 40 but it won't give you the street cred of banging a 60 year-old Christie Brinkley on the regular.
     
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May 22, 2015, 12:07 PM
 
Off the cuff here, but there are 2 exceptions (what I call "effects") that I want to point out, and there are exceptions to these exceptions, but in general these are uncannily correct.

1. The Classic Car Effect (aka. CCE): Once a European luxury car reaches 20 years of age, public perception of it shifts to the positive. Example, the BMW E30 3-series and E28 5-series are now seen as "retro cool", same goes for the Audi Quattro, X300 series Jaguars, and numerous others. Exceptions are physically larger cars, they take longer to hit the CCE mark, but eventually even they reach that status as well (like 70s and 80s Bentleys and Rollers).

2. The Lamborghini Effect: A car that's so exotic and/or rare that a sense of awe overpowers negative reactions. Exceptions; (ironically) the Gallardo (not very rare), red Ferraris*, and nearly all modern Porsches**.


* People who see you stepping out of a Ferrari (more specifically a red one) don't typically ask about the car's performance traits, they ask about what you do for a living or how much it cost ("How much was that?"). Because, more often than not, they're purchased as reputation enhancements (aka. status symbols) due to pedigree, not for their amazing handling. The CCE does apply, but you have to go back the 50s and 60s to see it (or drive a 308/328, aka a "Magnum car").

** Porsche drivers are usually d-bags on the road, often it's by choice, but also because it's harder than you think to not speed in a Porsche (those flat-6s live to rev). However, the CCE applies to them too, it's simply more delayed than most, and settles in at ~35 years.

On a personal note, I've long since stopped caring what the public thinks about what I'm driving, their problems with it are just that, their problems.
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