[vmarks]

FWIW, he's your ClintonInc sleaze of the day:

With regard to Mr. Obama being a Muslim:
"No, there's nothing to base that on -- as far as I know..." - Breitbart.tv � Clinton Doesn’t Believe Obama is a Muslim ‘As Far as I Know’

Mrs. Clinton injects that uncertainty, that doubt, masterfully - it's an off-the-cuff remark, it's enough to raise the doubt, and then follow-up by expressing empathy with 'I've been the target of absurd claims, too!' - hoping you don't realize she's doing the targeting.

She's not as good as Rumsfeld when it comes to off-the-cuff (old Europe) but she does it well here.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

You're getting really wound up and really defensive.

That's a great way to dismiss the content of my posts, but it's not true. I'm not being defensive because I'm not defending anything I've done. I'm trying to get one of you folks to admit even the possibility that some Republicans might sometimes engage in dirty tricks about Obama. And despite probably a half-dozen posts by me asking for some Republican to acknowledge it, and despite me trying to meet half-way by repeatedly acknowledging that Democrats do it too, and despite probably a dozen posts in response to me, none of you will. It's really quite astonishing.

I can only tell you I have received no grassroots emails with the smears that you're talking about. I can only keep telling you that the positions of the candidates are more important, and that Mr. Obama's positions are troublesome.

You're either going to keep calling me a liar, or you'll accept that I'm being honest with you.

But at some point, I hope you step back from the keyboard, breathe a little, and perhaps sample some of the German culture and beverages that are available to you.

First, I've never called you a liar. I called the lying smears about Obama lies, and I've criticized you for refusing to acknowledge them.

You could do more than say "the positions of the candidates are important." You could also acknowledge that just maybe some Republicans have smeared Obama by spreading lies about him being a Muslim or being sworn in on the Koran or refusing to salute the flag or any of the other widely-known, widely-reported, and widely-discussed mass email smears going around.

But you won't. You have yet to even acknowledge that they exist, despite the fact that American news has covered them quite a bit, despite the fact that I provided the snopes link to them, and despite the fact that you participated in a thread that was based on one of them.

I believe that Republicans at large don't like those smears, think they're nasty, and disapprove of them, even if they may have come from fellow Republicans. But since I've not heard anyone say so, maybe I shouldn't believe that?

[Shaddim]

Everyone expects a degree of smearing between parties: Bush is a chimp, Hillary is a closet lesbian, Obama is an Anti-USA Muslim, etc.. What's so fascinating is the Clinton campaign trashing someone who is, ideologically, almost identical to her. To me, it seems that her campaign doesn't realize that it destroys everything she stands for when they tear down her opponent.

[Dakar the Fourth]

It's that awful win at all costs attitude.

[Chongo]

Race has always been a tool of first choice for liberals, as they were "immune" from being called racists. They used Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to do their dirty work. Now that Obama is a serious threat they are at a loss as what to do. How quick they are to throw Obama under the bus

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

I'm trying to get one of you folks to admit even the possibility that some Republicans might sometimes engage in dirty tricks about Obama. And despite probably a half-dozen posts by me asking for some Republican to acknowledge it, and despite me trying to meet half-way by repeatedly acknowledging that Democrats do it too, and despite probably a dozen posts in response to me, none of you will. It's really quite astonishing.

What's astonishing is watching logic and reason chisel your point down to the absurd. If it makes you feel better, it is possible that some Republicans might sometimes engage in dirty tricks about Obama. It is possible that right now as we speak, a Democrat is mounting a goat.

Next up; car accidents are unfortunate.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

What's astonishing is watching logic and reason chisel your point down to the absurd. If it makes you feel better, it is possible that some Republicans might sometimes engage in dirty tricks about Obama. It is possible that right now as we speak, a Democrat is mounting a goat.

Next up; car accidents are unfortunate.

Ha, I love it! In order to finally, tooth-pullingly, agonizingly slowly concede the inanely obvious possibility that Republicans could be behind some of the Obama smears, you have to compare it to Democrats committing bestiality!

Well, if nothing else, this sure has been an interesting glimpse into the mind of ultra-partisan posters on MacNN.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

I didn't get what you were talking about until I got really, really bored of reading "Property Ownership by Married Women in Victorian Ontario" and reviewed this thread. You're right; that is very, very funny.

greg

[vmarks]

BRussell,

Your cat is at it again.

There's nothing for Republicans to admit. I don't have any evidence of grassroots locally doing the things you accuse them of doing. I do have that of Clinton's campaign committing the acts you find objectionable, and you admit that they have done these things.

There's no halfway point to meet at. We have evidence of one, and no evidence of the other. I'm telling you, I'm just not getting any of this nonsense in any of the grassroots mailings I'm plugged into. You're trying to find something that simply isn't happening in any meaningful way, and then accusing me of lying when you say everyone refuses to acknowledge what you know to be your reality.