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Aug 26, 2002, 04:33 AM
 
Here are my favorites:

1. Support for a 64 bit CPU
2. A new filesystem (journaling fs, database-like capabilities).
3. Better multitasking.
4. Kernel improvements (e. g. the kernel should be able to automatically set the amount of kernel memory per app).
5. A backup and a defrag utility.
6. iChat 2 that is able to video chat (MPEG4 stream).

What are your favorites?
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Aug 26, 2002, 04:47 AM
 
I want to see Sherlock replaced with Clouseau which not only is useless for UK Mac users but US users too. It should only work for people who live in Quebec.
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 05:01 AM
 
This is far out but how about brushed metal replaced with blue or graphite aqua glass? That would be nice.

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Aug 26, 2002, 05:53 AM
 
ok

- theme support
- ichat with vid and audio
- floating window prefence (ie ability to make any window float or atleast the ability to have iTunes float above others)
- Homepage iApp
- Navigator (chimera) as defult browser
- more sherlock plug-ins: Amazon.com, lyrics, mysimon or pricewatch, realtime stock quote option, etrade/ameritrade interface so I can trade right from sherlock
- Free iWord/ipower point apps so we can ditch microsoft and offer more incentive to switch
- enhancements to quartz extreme that ofload even more of the interface to 3d card
- open gl 2.0

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Aug 26, 2002, 05:57 AM
 
How about a functionally-complete operating system?

Something Apple should have shipped over a year ago...
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Aug 26, 2002, 06:33 AM
 
Originally posted by OreoCookie:
Here are my favorites:
2. A new filesystem (journaling fs, database-like capabilities).
5. A backup and a defrag utility.
A defrag utility would be useless with a new filesystem

And the backup utility already exists (in .mac)


The features I would love:
-A keystroke which activate a text mode which would allow you to kill frozen apps, even when every graphical apps are frozen (window server).

-iChat2 with vid�o
-iTunes with AAC (before panther please! )
-a better iPhoto for those who have thousands and thousands of photos
-having several graphical sessions opened (like in WinXP!! -gasp-)
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Aug 26, 2002, 06:39 AM
 
'Text mode' to work around a frozen GUI?

How about an OS that doesn't have a glitchy freezeprone GUI to begin with?
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 06:46 AM
 
Of course I would like a GUI which never crash, but a basic text mode would be enough to satisfy me
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Aug 26, 2002, 07:08 AM
 
- Better Text to Speech (atnt voice technology)
- Better Speech Recognition
- net2phone type thingy built in
- face/fingerprint recognition/sign in
- rendevous support in iTunes
- Hot Chochlate (formly known as Redbox)
- Cocoa for Windows XP
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 08:22 AM
 
Snappiness

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Aug 26, 2002, 08:25 AM
 
Originally posted by EqualTime:
How about a functionally-complete operating system?

Something Apple should have shipped over a year ago...
IMHO it has much more features than 9 ever had. Most of the issues are optimization problems.

They'll be fixed in time.
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Aug 26, 2002, 10:42 AM
 
useful function keys!
remember how in OS 9 you can use the F keys to open files and junk?
I LOVE that.
I have all my major programs programed in them!
I HEAR quick keys can do something out there... but I odn't like using program add ons to do what OS 9 used to be able to do.

Uhh,

how bout useless for everyone but Canadians, Quebecers don't deserve it
hahaha

uhh, browser.app, buy out a good browser maker or build something on top of it... OR SOMETHING, make it so it can veiw pages in IE mode or in standards mode
hahha

uhh, what else what else, oh righ video iChat with SOME sort of windows program, maybe like Quicktime Video chat for windows, but the users would have to be talking to a Mac user (do you ONLY wanna be able to video confference with mac users?)

uhh, iPhone, so we could use that modem since I don't use it for the net
uhh, AAC in iTunes, and Rendevous support for it.
DEFFINATTELY a better way to store pictures in iPhoto, uhh, better support for gifs in iPhoto.
iDraw or bundled Photoshop Elements with new Macs.
what else what else...

Support for iMac Rev D Graphics cards
hahahaha
oh I kid I kid.
but yeah better QE.
support for this new IBM chip,
what else...
some sorta graphics and sound iApps we've got a lota organizers and players and veiwers and syncers now, but iDVD and iMovie are really right now the only ones that really are AIMED at creating something.

cheaper .Mac

shoot what else do I want...

I want uhh...... OH I wanna be able to change ANY icon.
I don't wanna put a folder into my window bar thing, and have it look like a house if I want it to look like a rocket or something... no I don't like rockets I just needed something to say. But yeah, I wanna be able to have a folder that will have whatever Icon I say not whatever one apple says.
I also want support for the iNewt too.... soon as it comes out
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 10:58 AM
 
- I want to be able to tell an App to quit from the dock, then if it bounces for 'save or don't save' attention, choose via the dock without having to bring the App forward.

- To be able to drag a file to Mail's dock icon and for it to open as an attachment in a new blank e-mail. (Also, to be aable to select this option via control-clicking)

- Schedule sleep/wake up.

- Control-click a file and have an 'open with (app)' option.

- To be able to save iPhoto slide shows as scaled-down, e-mailable Quicktime movies.

- iChat to be MSN compatible

I'll be happy as can be if these all appear next time round.
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 11:08 AM
 
- Sherlock that works as advertised on the box (outside of america).

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Aug 26, 2002, 11:15 AM
 
Usable Open/Save dialogs.
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Aug 26, 2002, 11:32 AM
 
Originally posted by superblue:
- Control-click a file and have an 'open with (app)' option.
Jaguar has this already.
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 02:43 PM
 
1. Journaling File System
2. Smart font management (much improved font viewer, ability to scroll through fonts in font panel with the keyboard, ability to disable non-local fonts from font lists, atm like management, wysiwyg in menus, grouping by type in menu, and so on)
3. More control over multitasking (I want top app to get most of the juice).
4. Much improved and extensible dock.
5. Much improved and extensible ichat (plug ins for other services possible).
6. More control over appearance and function of system. (I want to change the damn system font, have alt themes, and have much finer control over things like antialiasing, and finder icon placement).
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 02:47 PM
 
Only things I really want are Spring Loaded Dock Folders, the ability to close windows that are minimized in the dock, and moveable minimized windows (what Jag was supposed to have).

I'll gladly welcome other stuff, but I'd like to see those in there...
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 03:21 PM
 
one thing that I really like about SUN Solaris is that with their kill app all you have to do it type in kill in the terminal and then click on the window/applictaion that you want to kill. It's a little bit easier than having to put in the 3 number code for the application that you want to die.
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 03:32 PM
 
Originally posted by starman:
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Aug 26, 2002, 03:42 PM
 
IT SEEMS HANGING AROUND WITH APPLE HAS DONE SOMETHING TO SUN AS CERTAIN ADVANCED AND PREVIOUSLY COMPLEX THINGS CAN BE DONE WITH MAC "EASE OF USE". SELECT SOLARIS 9 AND LOOK AT THE FEATURES IT HAS AT THIS LINK...

http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris...our/index.html

ADDING SOME OF THE ADVANCED FUNCTIONALITY AND CAPABILITY SHOWN IN THIS FLASH MOVIE TO 10.3 WOULD BE REALLY COOL
     
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Aug 26, 2002, 04:45 PM
 
I really just want good open save dialog boxes.
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Aug 26, 2002, 11:49 PM
 
Dock 2.0!!!

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Aug 27, 2002, 01:01 AM
 
No more third party apps for doing basic stuff like printing.

ichat compatibility with icq

a faster system

not pay upgrade price from 10.2
     
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Aug 27, 2002, 02:02 AM
 
I'd like to see nice front end for cron. That seems like a no brainer.

How is the open/save dialog unusable again?

I can always save my files just fine.

I love OS X. I think it's great. I think we have a lot of whiners around here.

It seems like scanner support is a little thin, don't know whose fault that is, but I wish they'd get on it. It seems like nobody's scanners work.

Also I haven't been able to get samba to work. I don't know if I'm just not doing it right, or what, but it isn't working. I can serve or get. It'd be nice to see rendesvous used througout the system. these are some really creative people, and I think we can expect great things from them.

Also I think that it's fine to pay for an improved OS. this stuff doesn't program itself.
     
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Aug 27, 2002, 03:28 AM
 
Originally posted by jokell82:
Only things I really want are Spring Loaded Dock Folders, the ability to close windows that are minimized in the dock, and moveable minimized windows (what Jag was supposed to have).

I'll gladly welcome other stuff, but I'd like to see those in there...
Theres a hack that brings back minimize in place and thus the ability to close docked windows. It was mentioned in a topic on this forum, do a search and I'm sure you will come across it.
In fact I'll bet InterfaceGuy has got it bookmarked ;-)
     
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Aug 27, 2002, 03:35 AM
 
I want a better version of minimize in place that remembers where I minimize my apps to even after I quit the application. I want IE to minimize to one side, Office apps to another side and so on. That would make managing the desktop much easier.
     
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Aug 27, 2002, 04:06 AM
 
Originally posted by DeathMan:
I'd like to see nice front end for cron. That seems like a no brainer.

How is the open/save dialog unusable again?

I can always save my files just fine.

I love OS X. I think it's great. I think we have a lot of whiners around here.

It seems like scanner support is a little thin, don't know whose fault that is, but I wish they'd get on it. It seems like nobody's scanners work.

Also I haven't been able to get samba to work. I don't know if I'm just not doing it right, or what, but it isn't working. I can serve or get. It'd be nice to see rendesvous used througout the system. these are some really creative people, and I think we can expect great things from them.

Also I think that it's fine to pay for an improved OS. this stuff doesn't program itself.
I love it, too. I love the Dock, from the beginning. Many people complained about it, but I simply love it.

But as always, there is still room for improvement

Font management is a good one.
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Aug 27, 2002, 04:58 AM
 
"IT SEEMS HANGING AROUND WITH APPLE HAS DONE SOMETHING TO SUN AS CERTAIN ADVANCED AND PREVIOUSLY COMPLEX THINGS CAN BE DONE WITH MAC "EASE OF USE". SELECT SOLARIS 9 AND LOOK AT THE FEATURES IT HAS AT THIS LINK...

http://wwws.sun.com/software/solari...tour/index.html

ADDING SOME OF THE ADVANCED FUNCTIONALITY AND CAPABILITY SHOWN IN THIS FLASH MOVIE TO 10.3 WOULD BE REALLY COOL"


Apple came close to merging with Sun a couple of times in the 90's I believe. Sun has wants to standardize on powerbooks at the company. They are also relatively close (location I mean)

Why not just merge? Apple wants to be taken more seriously in the server space. Sun can standardize on OS X completely and bring Solaris features to OS X as well as bringing there great excperience and contracts in the server market. With future IBM power 4/5/6 chips they will be more then covered chip wise...this could also bring about the segway for Cocoa to be able to run on multiple operating systems. With Sun's support and Cocoa apps being able to compile on multiple operating systems it could gain ground...
     
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Aug 27, 2002, 04:58 AM
 
"IT SEEMS HANGING AROUND WITH APPLE HAS DONE SOMETHING TO SUN AS CERTAIN ADVANCED AND PREVIOUSLY COMPLEX THINGS CAN BE DONE WITH MAC "EASE OF USE". SELECT SOLARIS 9 AND LOOK AT THE FEATURES IT HAS AT THIS LINK...

http://wwws.sun.com/software/solari...tour/index.html

ADDING SOME OF THE ADVANCED FUNCTIONALITY AND CAPABILITY SHOWN IN THIS FLASH MOVIE TO 10.3 WOULD BE REALLY COOL"


Apple came close to merging with Sun a couple of times in the 90's I believe. Sun has wants to standardize on powerbooks at the company. They are also relatively close (location I mean)

Why not just merge? Apple wants to be taken more seriously in the server space. Sun can standardize on OS X completely and bring Solaris features to OS X as well as bringing there great excperience and contracts in the server market. With future IBM power 4/5/6 chips they will be more then covered chip wise...this could also bring about the segway for Cocoa to be able to run on multiple operating systems. With Sun's support and Cocoa apps being able to compile on multiple operating systems it could gain ground...
     
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Aug 27, 2002, 05:06 AM
 
Originally posted by superblue:
- To be able to drag a file to Mail's dock icon and for it to open as an attachment in a new blank e-mail.
Is already there in Jag. (thought it already was there in 10.1)
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Aug 27, 2002, 11:21 AM
 
A case honoring filesystem with support for either soft updates or journalling.

Also nice would be some of the db like capabilities of BFS, especially since Apple hired one of the BFS guys last spring.

More system level optimizations.

Some sort of limited graphics acceleration for older GPUs/systems with older GPUs.

Another update of the BSD layer, as FreeBSD SHOULD be at 5.0 by then.

VM optimized filesystem/partition support.

Either include XF86 + some wm, OR a wrapper call library for Cocoa.

Not moving locations with every release.

Turning off of all debug code in release versions. e.g. 6C125 + more

Less time spent on iapps(don't use/don't care), other "features" and more time on stabilizing the base system and underlying OS, hopefully bringing it into parity with other *NIX releases.

More ppc optimizations for gcc.

(Still haven't purchased 10.2, I'll just wait and see if they charge for 10.3 or when I buy new hardware.)

Also from what I've seen in stores, fixing the help system. As the new version stands its EXTREMELY slow(read useless) from general apps and will only irritate generic users. Fortunately the developer help via project builder seems to run adequately.
     
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Aug 28, 2002, 07:16 AM
 
An XF86 wrap would be superb (I would be able to easily access my AlphaStation at work!
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Aug 28, 2002, 08:32 AM
 
It seems like you want to have every 3rd party applications included in the OS. That would be a 7 CD upgrade and guess how much Apple would charge for this?
And how long would it take to install?
     
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I want Labels back. This was a very useful tool!
     
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Aug 29, 2002, 10:22 PM
 
Originally posted by cutterjohn:
Turning off of all debug code in release versions. e.g. 6C125 + more
OMG.

I'm not sure if I should laugh because you made a joke or pity you because you're actually serious about this.

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Aug 30, 2002, 03:29 AM
 
cutterjohn suggested:
A case honoring filesystem with support for either soft updates or journalling.

Also nice would be some of the db like capabilities of BFS, especially since Apple hired one of the BFS guys last spring.
I'm all for a new journalling, databasing, meta-data-spouting new filing system, but don't underestimate HFS+. We do have a decent FS at the moment.

There is one thing that the HFS line has always had, and no other filing system has (including BFS), which is unique identifiers for each file. This is what allows an alias to continue pointing to the file, even when you move the file. So, for example, you can rearrange the folders in your music folder, and iTunes still knows where all the files are.

All other filing systems identify files by their path and name. I don't know about you, but to me that just seems astonishingly primitive. While people from the *nix heritage may be fond of absolute or relative paths, for most people they are a pain in the butt.

...case honoring filesystem...
I like HFS+'s case honoring. It remembers case perfectly well, but it doesn't allow you to overload filenames that are the same except for case. This is less computer sciencey and more human, since people rarely remember case perfectly.
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