[Maflynn]

Well I guess we now have our answer regarding the time line for a G5 powerbook.

[workerbee]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Well I guess we now have our answer regarding the time line for a G5 powerbook.

You mean the PentiumBook?

[Randman]

Ha! I was right. No PB G5 this year.

[OperaMan]

No PB G5 ever. It's kinda sad to think about. 10 hour battery life centrino powered PB here I come.

[runejoha]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Well I guess we now have our answer regarding the time line for a G5 powerbook.

They never constructed a PB G5. This will be known as the day Apple sacrifised their inovation for pure buissness. It is a sad day. The G series is a part of Apple. They are leaving the Apple HW, first firewire on the iPod, now they kill the whole underlying architecture. Thus, I do understand after all. Intel is indeed superior on the laptop market, and they will results in PBs with longer battery capasity and support for x86 programs.

[JustinHoMi]

Apple isn't sacrificing innovation. Any innovation related to the cpu was solely on IBM's part. IBM is stifling Apple's innovation by not being able to produce what Apple needs. Apple's always had trouble with IBM delivering chips... they may have had no other choice!

[runejoha]

Originally Posted by JustinHoMi

Apple isn't sacrificing innovation. Any innovation related to the cpu was solely on IBM's part. IBM is stifling Apple's innovation by not being able to produce what Apple needs. Apple's always had trouble with IBM delivering chips... they may have had no other choice!

In these term you are right, but the G series made Apple something else. It was not just another Intel computer. For instance, take a look at all the focus on the G5. They might keep their status as Apple, but with a flirt with x86 i doubt they will be much more than a "good Dell". It seems that Apple wants to envovle over time to be a SW company in addition to the iPods.

Another downside is the fact that the x86 architecture supports a lots of old programs, and bacuase of this performs worse than other alternative architectures like Intel Itanium (which I suppose is not going to be the new Apple CPU??). The world needs a upgrade from x86, not another member. Apple is of course not big enough to change this trend, but it is still a sad day.

[JustinHoMi]

OF COURSE Apple put emphasis on the G5! That was their product! They have to if they want to ship computers. Would you have bought a Mac if they weren't capable of selling you on how good the cpu was?

[redheadfred]

So does this mean future mac users will be open to x86 virus threats? I'm excited for the possibilities of a centrino as they are mighty fine mobile processors.

[JustinHoMi]

Naw, the viruses that plague the universe are windows-based. If it were the fault of the x86, then you'd see them rampant on x86 linux machines too (which you don't).

[Luca Rescigno]

Wow, you people are retarded.

G3/G4/G5 didn't set Apple apart, at least not in a good way. Apple was special because of their software, and this move won't change that at all. Furthermore, viruses attack Windows, not your processor.

[TailsToo]

If it means that we can get the battery life and performance of the mobile Intel processors, then it's a good thing. Besides, the OS is what makes a Mac a Mac, not the nuts and bolts.

[sadpandas]

Man, i just bought the new powerbook a couple of months ago and i was worried they were to announce a new powerbook or speed bump. even though i knew it was long shot and they had just bumped the pbook i was still a bit scared.... pheeew!

[runejoha]

Originally Posted by JustinHoMi

OF COURSE Apple put emphasis on the G5! That was their product! They have to if they want to ship computers. Would you have bought a Mac if they weren't capable of selling you on how good the cpu was?

Yes, and this is my point. The G5 is good and it's Apple. The Intel is everybody else.

[osxisfun]

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=259074

[tomato71]

I am soooo sad about not getting a G5 powerbook, I mean, come on guys, we could have had powerbooks that doubled as waffle irons ....

[ccsccs7]

I feel a bit sick…

[Cheetah223]

Well what exactly is everyone's reasoning that there won't be a G5 powerbook? Ok, they switched to Intel, big deal, so the next powerbook will be a G5 powerbook with an intel processor rather than a G5 with an IBM processor. I don't see what's so important about the "G5" name being stuck to them in the first place. They'll run cooler, the batteries will last longer (THANK GOD!!!!!!), and they'll be more compatible with the industry from what I understand, I'm still somewhat undecided about how I feel on the switch, but it can't be that bad.

[asodamiac]

since i just got my powerbook a month or so ago.. should i be kicking myself because i didnt wait for the new whatever it is apple is making?

[wtmcgee]

I'm sure you can find a buyer if you don't want it anymore.

[osxisfun]

Originally Posted by asodamiac

since i just got my powerbook a month or so ago.. should i be kicking myself because i didnt wait for the new whatever it is apple is making?

Nope. I bought one at the same time and I feel good. Next year I'll either keep or sell my PB and use the money and buy one of the new ones that have the chips in the thread i posted above.

now that's a bang for your buck upgrade!

[asb819]

I don't mind the switch too much. I trust the apple executives...

And in regards to the last couple posts, wouldn't the resell value go way down before the new models come out a year or so from now?

[shatten22]

And I don't think we will be getting the same innards as the rest of the computer industry. I don't think we will be getting Pentium 4's. Other Intel stuff might be cooking that made Apple go, yeah, that's where we want to be.

Dual core baby.

g

[asb819]

Right... It's called Yonah and I think someone else posted about that in this or some other thread.

[shatten22]

trust in Yonah then.

[asodamiac]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

Nope. I bought one at the same time and I feel good. Next year I'll either keep or sell my PB and use the money and buy one of the new ones that have the chips in the thread i posted above.

now that's a bang for your buck upgrade!

how many people would be willing to buy an older model pb? its not just a different revision, but a completely new laptop right? i paid around $2300 for my pb ($2500 with tax, $2600 with the extra gig of ram). if i wanted the new laptop, i would want at least $1900. if not, im keeping this baby for another 4 years.

[osxisfun]

Originally Posted by asb819

Right... It's called Yonah and I think someone else posted about that in this or some other thread.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=259074

[osxisfun]

Originally Posted by asodamiac

how many people would be willing to buy an older model pb? its not just a different revision, but a completely new laptop right? i paid around $2300 for my pb ($2500 with tax, $2600 with the extra gig of ram). if i wanted the new laptop, i would want at least $1900. if not, im keeping this baby for another 4 years.

true. not as much resell as before but the upside is dual core powerbooks next year.

dual core.....

[grayc]

now that the power pc chip is going by the wayside will the name "power" book and "power" mac go as well, or will it be kept for convention/tradition?

[asodamiac]

well guess you cant win them all.

[wtmcgee]

they'll still be called powerbooks if you ask me.

[Scooterboy]

I'm not so sure about that. They were Macintoshes in the pre-PowerPC days. The "Power" prefix definately refers to the PowerPC processor family and architecture. They will not call the new Pentium a G5. That would be misleeding in the extreme, and they would lose any credibility they might have left. Apple (and Intel) are at a quandry regarding brand image. I think with the "new" x86 architecture, they'll come up with something unique if Intel supplies a chipset unique to the MacTel. If not, then what's wrong with an Apple CentrinoBook? That's what it will be. Maybe tack on a CPU identifyer, like "Pentium® M Processor 760", or an OS identifyer, Mac CentrinoBook X or Pro or something.

[jasong]

The PowerBooks were called PowerBooks since they were first launched in 1991 with a 16 MHz 68HC000 (way before PPC). I think they are likely to keep the PowerBook moniker. As for the PowerMacs? It's interesting that the press releases refers to the current cop as Macintoshes which isn't generally used anywhere inside of Apple or OS X anymore. Maybe they will go back to calling them Macintoshes again, maybe not. No offense Scooterboy, but I hope you were joking about the product names you came up with.

Personally, I am hoping the PowerBooks are the first models released with the Intel chips. It makes sense since they are the most outdated Macs and stand to benefit the most from the Intel roadmap (more power per watt and all that).

[typoon]

Originally Posted by TailsToo

If it means that we can get the battery life and performance of the mobile Intel processors, then it's a good thing. Besides, the OS is what makes a Mac a Mac, not the nuts and bolts.

Just as Steve Said. "The Soul of the Macintosh is it's OS." If Apple had been runnning on Intel all along I still would be using a Mac. Mostly for it's OS.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Scooterboy

If not, then what's wrong with an Apple CentrinoBook? That's what it will be.

Hell No !

Powerbook or nothing. Centrinobook my ass.

[asodamiac]

since im fairly new to the mac world, i dont really understand this mac pride. i love my powerbook and my pc has been neglected for some time now, but i dont see why some people have this cult-like love for macs.

dont get me wrong, the mac is far superior to my pc (the only time i prefer my pc over the mac is gaming, and i still prefer to game on my mac) and is a great machine. i love osx, i love the software. i think i can enjoy both worlds without hating one or the other.

i guess this is off-topic, but why is it that mac owners (not all) act this way? its almost scary at times.

[osxisfun]

give yourself 2 more months...

[andersbk]

yeah, give yourself 2 more months!

You know, everytime someone in my family or some of my friends buy a new PC i really feel sorry for them!
It's like a sad sorry feeling.

Now they have to fight viruses and crashes for several more years, and miss out on iLife ++ when they could have been on the way to computer-HEAVEN! with Apple Macintosh and OS X!!!

[iBorg]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

true. not as much resell as before but the upside is dual core powerbooks next year.

dual core.....

I wish .....

SJ said that the bottom-of-the-line Macs would get the MacTel designation in June '06 - the rest will come in '07. You can plan on a MacTel Mini sometime after June of next year (as usual it will arrive later than initially announced, and in limited quantities), and perhaps even a single-core MacTel iBook, but the MacTel PowerMacs and PowerBooks will probably come in late 2007.

And Yonah? Yeah, I'd love to see that, too, but you can bet that Michael Dell, et.al. will have first dibs on those babies, and small-fry Intel customers like Apple will be begging for crumbs.

As frustrating as it was to see Moto, and then IBM, unable to give Apple the speed increases they/we wanted, and in the quantities they/we needed, at least we were first in line for what they had. With a worldwide market share of 2%, I just don't see Intel giving Apple much priority for their hottest commodities, e.g. Yonah.




iBorg

[shabbasuraj]

I want PowerBook Longhorn.

NOW.

[asodamiac]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

give yourself 2 more months...

its been a little over a month now.. i dont think i'll ever get to that point. as of now, i use my pb for very basic things (everything i can do on a pc). i want to get into video editing and start making use of the ilife software, but after buying the pb.. i have no cash for a video camera

[Scooterboy]

It will probably say PowerBook at the base of the screen like it does now, but with an embossed "Intel Inside" emblem (not a sticker) where the "G4" label currently is.
Yeah I was kidding about the CentrinoBook, but it's easy to come up with really bad names. And it wouldn't surprise me if CentrinoBook or YonahBook are used as nicknames for the nest PowerBook. TiBook and AlBook are pretty bad names, but that never stopped anyone from using them.

[wtmcgee]

Or this already annoying MacTel crap...

[ccsccs7]

IBM was moving toward using copper in their chips. Is Intel still using aluminum? If so, why no AlMac? lol Okay, I'm just joking.

[urn311]

i must have just missed it...but i don't remember jobs ever saying that a G5 powerbook was completely out of the question. I remember him saying the transition to the intel chipsets was going to begin. But i also specifically remember him saying that there were still more things to come from the powerpc chipsets. I took this to mean that it was a possibility... I was just looking for a little clarificatoin on why everyone is giving up, because i'm gonna be truly dissapointed if this is the case...

[veryniceguy2002]

Well, certainly Apple failed "The Mother of all challenges" of producing the PowerBook G5!

[Randman]

Originally Posted by veryniceguy2002

Well, certainly Apple failed "The Mother of all challenges" of producing the PowerBook G5!

No, IBM failed in that it couldn't manufacture a mobile G5 chip. Get your facts straight.

[Maflynn]

Originally Posted by veryniceguy2002

Well, certainly Apple failed "The Mother of all challenges" of producing the PowerBook G5!

I tend to agree with you on that. When Apple was in discussion with IBM I presume they also included intel. To make a major change like that move to ibm/G5 was a challange, the time to move to intel was then.

Now they have a huge disruption. All of the talk of the superioty of the G5 over Pentium's is out the window and I suspect a number of Maccnn users who posted disparaging remarks towards pentiums, hyperthreading, and the like must be eating crow.

Mike

[jholmes]

Wow. As computer enthusiasts there are a lot of idiots on here anymore.

I haven't posted in more than a year, but to show up and see this is disappointing. A Powerbook Longhorn? That would be Apple hardware running a Windows OS? How stupid is that?

Apple doesn't make the PPC chip, they were just the primary computer customer. Switching to intel will be completely transparent to the user. Some stuff will run slower - in two years when you're running a legacy PPC app on a brand new machine. So you'll pony up the $99-150 bucks for the software upgrade and be on your way.

Same things happened with system 6 to 7 and the switch to PPC. No body died, few were injured.

[veryniceguy2002]

Originally Posted by Randman

No, IBM failed in that it couldn't manufacture a mobile G5 chip. Get your facts straight.

Well, the G5 chip is available, it just that Apple cannot resolve the thermal dissipation problem within the PowerBook.