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Jul 11, 2018, 04:26 PM
 
Per And.reg:
The City of Seattle and many major corps including Starbucks and American Airlines are getting rid of plastic straws.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:31 PM
 
The straw trend started with a Girl Scout who convinced Alaska Air to get rid of straws.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/con...lastic-straws/

Straws are a good thing to use less of, as they can't be recycled and inexpensive paper straws work for most other purposes. Cutlery however is harder to convince people to make the switch to wood or cornstarch.

Interestingly, after this supposed good news in the land of recycling, I heard some disabled communities are not pleased about this because paper or metal straws wouldn't work for them. So there will have to be some plastic straws still on request.
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:35 PM
 
The trend started decades ago with countries beginning the outlaw free plastic bags.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:43 PM
 
As well as convincing us to carry our own water bottles around instead of disposable all the time.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:52 PM
 
Some places are switching to non-disposable straws. I’d guess the inside gets teh funky.

It’s sexist, but I don’t think straws are a good look on an adult male. I’ll use them with fast food, or a shake, but that’s it.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 10:12 PM
 
I do not know why straws and plastic forks and knives aren't recyclable or at least reusable. Besides some people chewing on the straws and cutlery, any reason why they are not reusable, at least for a few times? Drop into some soapy water and a bit of disinfectant and they should be good to go. When I use plastic cutlery on picnics and such, I always reuse them a few times myself.

Where I live, convenience stores are the place to go for many people and when you order a drink (such as a carton of milk), a straw gets handed to you by the cashier. I promptly put the straw back. I don't see why people just don't drink straight from the bottle or carton.
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Jul 12, 2018, 06:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
I do not know why straws and plastic forks and knives aren't recyclable or at least reusable. Besides some people chewing on the straws and cutlery, any reason why they are not reusable, at least for a few times? Drop into some soapy water and a bit of disinfectant and they should be good to go. When I use plastic cutlery on picnics and such, I always reuse them a few times myself.
Mostly because there is no good way to clean them. Metal cutlery, or PET bottles, are cleaned by dousing them with very hot water and washing up fluid. If you do that with the softer plastics used for straws, they will deform. Switching to another plastic - say PET like those bottles - would work to clean them several times, but I expect that there is a cost difference.

You can of course clean them by hand-washing each, but that doesn't scale for large operations.

For straws I imagine that they're harder to clean, so paper straws are probably a better idea.
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Jul 12, 2018, 07:40 AM
 
Thanks for the explanation. I really hope we can limit the use of plastic. I was once given a package of cookies. They were individually wrapped in plastic complete with their own desiccant silica gel, in their own little plastic tray, and packaged in another larger tray. 12 cookies total. A total waste of plastic.
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Jul 12, 2018, 03:57 PM
 
I honestly think that we need to get over the fact that there are germs in the world. We don’t need to pack every single item in plastic individually, and if paper packaging is a little less anti-bacterial than waxed paper, then... so what? Wash your hands, keep the an outer cover, but don’t isolate every single thing. Eating a single portion airplane meal is so frustrating, it is more packaging than food.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 08:28 AM
 
Alternate title: "Environment News: The Last Straw"
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 10:52 AM
 
Spheric, that article was great. Why not go back to straw straws, or paper straws. Plastic straws are wrapped in paper anyhow.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 01:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by P View Post
Eating an airplane meal
Well, there’s your problem.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 01:54 PM
 
I've been using and washing my metal straws for my smoothies and shakes since 2015. Easy to rinse under the sink, so, there's no "teh funky."
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I like to use soap, but that’s just me.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 02:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Alternate title: "Environment News: The Last Straw"
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