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Doubts raised on linking of Iran to US deaths in Iraq
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moodymonster
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Feb 18, 2007, 08:43 PM
 
In a nutshell:

60% of US deaths occur in areas where Sunni insurgents are active

4% in Shiite areas

25% in Baghdad where both operate

insurgents are believed to receive much of their funding and weapons from private donors in Sunni Arab countries, including Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan, not Iran.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/art...n_iraq/?page=1

Is Iraq likely (or is it already) turning into a proxy war between Shiite Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia etc with the US/UK in the middle.

It's also worth noting that the casualty rate of the UK who mainly operates in Shiite dominated areas, is a fraction of the US's (100 combat fatalities to date, hopefully to stay that way).

So on one hand Saudi etc who supplied the manpower, financing and planning for 9/11, fund extremist groups in many countries uncluding the UK, and have dodgy human rights record etc

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Iran, fighting proxy war against Taliban/Al Qaeda way before 9/11, offered to help US fight Taliban, held candlelight vigils after 9/11, have a population wanting democratic reform and a outspoken president rapidly losing credibility and support.

it could appear that there is a bigger game afoot, and for some reason we're being fed info to point us in the direction of Iran even though the available evidence and background would strongly suggest otherwise.
     
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Feb 19, 2007, 01:10 AM
 
Of course there are doubts. We've been fed manufactured intelligence for years, trying to convince us that Saddam was involved with 9/11 (he wasn't, but there are still people who believe that), and now we're supposed to just roll over and accept intelligence from the same crooks who lied to us the first time? You have to give George credit though; he never gives up! President Cheney certainly has pulled the wool over George's eyes; so well that he no doubt actually believes what he's saying.
     
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Feb 19, 2007, 04:53 AM
 
Of course there are doubts. Our president lied before and he'll no doubt lie again. But in this case his assertions don't seem too unlikely, and unlike before they don't fly in the face of common sense (e.g., mobile bio-weapons factories -- please!). So I'm inclined to believe him.

You have put quite a lot of spin on the situation in Iran. Iran is developing nuclear weapons, and has a leader even crazier and more disconnected from reality than ours (arguably, even more so than Cheney -- well, call it a tie). While Saudi nationals may be supporting terrorism and anti-American fighters, the government is probably not doing so (except for members of the royal family). Anyway, it doesn't matter what Saudi Arabia does since they have more oil than Iran.
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Feb 19, 2007, 07:08 AM
 
In Saudi Arabia the royal family is the government - they are a kingdom. If members of the royal family support terrorism, then the government is in a de facto state of supporting terrorism. They certainly promote anti Western/any other religion thinking in their schools and society.

The evidence against Iran is unproven. Say it is wrong, Iran is attacked; we now have a new enemy we didn't before. I'm not seeing anything that bolsters the case against Iran, and the background would appear to contradict the claims of Iranian involvement.

Still waiting to see any serial numbers from those 100 Austrian guns in Iraq...
     
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Feb 19, 2007, 10:27 AM
 
more about Saudi funding and arming of Sunni militias and groups linked to Al Qaeda:

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Feb 20, 2007, 06:24 AM
 
It's true, the iranian-supported shia-militias are killing only a fraction of the coalition-forces that the sunni-insurgents are killing, but they are killing the majority of the iraqi civilians through death-squadrons.

There is also the problem that the shia-militias have infiltrated the iraqi-government forces from police to army, and also the political institutions espescially the interior-ministery, and they are abusing their positions to conduct all sorts of attacks against sunnis.

So, the sunni-insurgency is more dangerous for the coalition-forces and also for the shia-population, due to the suicide-bombings, but the shia-militias are more dangerous for the iraqi government and also for the sunni-population, due to the death-squads.

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