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ThrillSeeker · Apr 29, 2005, 07:15 PM

Is anyone else experiencing problems with The Official Bittorrent Client on Tiger? Im getting 'Application not responding' problems.

ThrillSeeker

Chuckit · Apr 29, 2005, 08:09 PM

Why aren't you using a good client?

sideus · Apr 29, 2005, 08:15 PM

BT crashes in Tiger for me at least.

higuy83 · Apr 29, 2005, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Why aren't you using a good client?

What would a "good client" be?

On a related note, none of my divx files are playing in Tiger's Quicktime 7... they are just playing through the full running time in all white with no sound? Anyone else experiencing this as well?

-Brian

Chuckit · Apr 29, 2005, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by higuy83

What would a "good client" be?

I prefer Bits on Wheels (because it's fun), but Azureus is far and away the most popular. I don't know anyone who recommends the official client.

Originally Posted by higuy83

On a related note, none of my divx files are playing in Tiger's Quicktime 7... they are just playing through the full running time in all white with no sound? Anyone else experiencing this as well?

Not here. Are you sure you reinstalled the right codec?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 29, 2005, 10:14 PM

Ya it doesn't work, it's that simple.

Just use the Tomato one.

Grrr · Apr 29, 2005, 11:36 PM

It works, but locks up after a download here.. Curiously enough though.. 3.3a which I kept from the days of 10.2 still works great. Its basic, but so long as it downloads, I dont give a crap about anything else.

ehunt · Apr 30, 2005, 12:11 AM

yeah, the official is not compatible but I've also tried Azureus and it's pretty good...I did like the official client just because it was pretty simple and a nice small app...I had a few Avi's lose sound in the new Quicktime even with Divx and ffmpeg installed...I must have had a few codecs installed along the way I'm now missing.

CaptainHaddock · Apr 30, 2005, 01:58 AM

Try Bits on Wheels, it's a nice, lean Cocoa client. Not as many options as Azureus, but no sluggish Java-ness and it's much better than the official client.

ThrillSeeker · Apr 30, 2005, 09:22 AM

Well i use Official Bittorrent Client because it is nice and simple and use's little resources. I don't like Azeures because it can become very sluggish and because im behind a hardware firewall it would struggle to get decent speeds due to NAT.

I wish they would release BitComet for the Mac, its the only one that use's NAT traversal and overcomes the router firewall issue.

Let me try Bits on Wheels.

ThrillSeeker

ThrillSeeker · Apr 30, 2005, 09:33 AM

I love how when i clicked on Help in Bits On Wheels i got a message saying 'Help isn't available for Bits On Wheels'!

Im getting slow speeds at the moment but that will improve gradually... hopefully...

ThrillSeeker

Millennium · Apr 30, 2005, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Why aren't you using a good client?

Have you used the official client since the 3.x days? Although it was poor then, the 4.0 client is actually quite nice. I still prefer Azureus, but the official client is a genuine contender now.

Millennium · Apr 30, 2005, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

Try Bits on Wheels, it's a nice, lean Cocoa client. Not as many options as Azureus, but no sluggish Java-ness and it's much better than the official client.

Cocoa is not a feature, and BoW is living proof of that. Aside from the lies about being the first native or first Cocoa client -the only non-Cocoa client on the Mac is Azureus; even the official client is Cocoa- the author seems to have actually gone out of his way to remove most of the features which Cocoa-zealots proudly claim people get "for free".

ThrillSeeker · Apr 30, 2005, 12:11 PM

I am really liking BOW. Speeds are quite reasonably. Looks like this will be my main client for now.

ThrillSeeker

badtz · Apr 30, 2005, 06:50 PM

does BoW give you the option to NOT download a piece of a torrent?

nonhuman · Apr 30, 2005, 07:52 PM

Hmm, guess I'll give BoW a try. I really don't like Azureus' interface.

Chuckit · Apr 30, 2005, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by badtz

does BoW give you the option to NOT download a piece of a torrent?

No. The author decided it was philosophically a bad idea because then you can't seed the whole file.

AC Rempt · Apr 30, 2005, 10:30 PM

Good thread, especially since I need BT to work in a big way

I've tried both BoW and Azureus, and Azureus seems much, much faster to me. The download speeds are triple what I see in BoW. It also seems a lot faster than the official client.

I'm running Tiger on a dual 1.8 G5 and using a cable modem.

CaptainHaddock · Apr 30, 2005, 11:19 PM

Millennium, if I may ask, what is your specific complaint with Cocoa and/or Bits on Wheels? Just curious. When I used the official BT client 6 months ago, it was really feature-deprived; and I've found BoW much faster and more stable than Azureus.

Zimphire · May 1, 2005, 01:33 AM

My fav is Tomato torrent.

It's simple, not Java based, and does the trick.

Plus the icon is red and juicy.

Gonna try the BOW app though.

Zimphire · May 1, 2005, 01:54 AM

BOW is a cool client. I like the all in one window idea.

HOWEVER, these buttons REALLY BLOW

Someone please help this poor sap on his GUI design.

andretan · May 1, 2005, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

My fav is Tomato torrent.

It's simple, not Java based, and does the trick.

Plus the icon is red and juicy.

Bingo.

shidoshi · May 1, 2005, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by higuy83

What would a "good client" be?

On a related note, none of my divx files are playing in Tiger's Quicktime 7... they are just playing through the full running time in all white with no sound? Anyone else experiencing this as well?

I like the official client - hopefully it'll be back up and running under Tiger soon.

As for as video files, I'm having some problems as well. I have the MPEG2 component, yet I'm having some MPEG problems. It seems that if I try to view an MPEG that is of a bigger size (640x480, for example), all I get is the white screen. It could be a problem with whatever video codec was used, though.

It's a bit of an annoyance.

albook · May 1, 2005, 04:43 AM

Go get the updated BitTorrent 4.0.2 version!
Its working great on Tiger...

sideus · May 1, 2005, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by albook

Go get the updated BitTorrent 4.0.2 version!
Its working great on Tiger...

Where?

ThrillSeeker · May 1, 2005, 11:39 AM

Yes where can you get Bittorrent 4.0.2?

Im having a slight problem with BoW... Last night i paused a download so that i could resume the download today, however today, i turn on my computer, load up BoW and my download's are not showing! So i go to the torrent and double click to open in BoW to see if it will remember and resume but it just wont show in BoW. Im guessing because BoW is at Preview stage resuming a download is not possible?

ThrillSeeker

Zimphire · May 1, 2005, 01:02 PM

The 3D "SWARM" in Bits On Wheels is cool as all get out.

More info to be seen too.

Now if they would just get the button toolbar un-crapified.

Chuckit · May 1, 2005, 01:29 PM

Resuming a download normally works. It looks like something must have gone funny. Anyway, if you just reopen the torrent and choose to download into the same place, it'll resume the download (though it has to verify the already-downloaded chunks again).

ThrillSeeker · May 1, 2005, 04:11 PM

Chuckit -

This is the problem, i cant get the file to open again because BoW does not bring it up anymore. I have tried to double click the torrent to open it in BoW and i have also tried to use the file>open option in BoW... the previous download's just don't appear.

At the moment i have been forced to use Tomato as it has allowed me to resume the download. Once the download has finished im going to use a different torrent for BoW... let it download for abit, pause the download, close BoW and then re-open to see if it will allow me to resume. It may have been a one off glitch but im a bit annoyed cus i really like BoW. Tomato just gives really crap download speeds.

ThrillSeeker

ThrillSeeker · 07:05 PM

Well BoW will not resume downloads. So, im left with Tomato. Might give Azerus another go.

Edit: The Official Bittorrent 4.0.2 is available now: www.bittorrent.com

And it works!

ThrillSeeker

Chuckit · May 1, 2005, 07:48 PM

Hm, strange. It appears that with Tiger, resuming will sporadically work or not work. It'll work if you delete the appropriate file the the ~/Library/BoW/ folder, but then it'll break again. Guess it's time for a bug report...

sideus · May 1, 2005, 09:08 PM

http://www.bittorrent.com/dl/BitTorrent_OSX_4.0.2.dmg

besson3c · May 1, 2005, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

BOW is a cool client. I like the all in one window idea.

HOWEVER, these buttons REALLY BLOW

Someone please help this poor sap on his GUI design.

I think what you meant to say was graphic design? A GUI isn't necessarily a bad design because it has ugly buttons...

albook · May 2, 2005, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by sideus

Where?

Originally Posted by ThrillSeeker

Yes where can you get Bittorrent 4.0.2?

Here:

http://www.bittorrent.com/dl/BitTorrent_OSX_4.0.2.dmg

Spliff · May 2, 2005, 03:50 AM

Tomato Torrent 1.1 has been released.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14258

badtz · May 2, 2005, 04:48 AM

If anyone can help me w/this Azureus question, that'd be great! :

When I double click on a torrent file, it doesn't get automatically listed on azureus (and start downloading) .... I have to always go to "file -->> open --> .torrent" ....

is there any way to get it to automatically get added to the list and start the download?

Millennium · May 2, 2005, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

Millennium, if I may ask, what is your specific complaint with Cocoa and/or Bits on Wheels? Just curious. When I used the official BT client 6 months ago, it was really feature-deprived; and I've found BoW much faster and more stable than Azureus.

My only complaint with Cocoa is the false marketing that people like the author of Bits on Wheels perpetuate, by marketing it as a feature as though it somehow magically makes the app better. I was once a zealot myself -back in the Public Beta days, I took it as a point of pride to use only Cocoa apps- but I've matured since then, and learned that whatever API you use is largely meaningless; what matters is that you use it correctly. Bits On Wheels has some of the most impressive misuses of Cocoa that I've ever seen, starting with the toolbar and working on down from there.

Then, of course, there's the people who refuse to use Azureus because it's written in Java. Although it's true that it doesn't take terribly good advantage of the Mac UI, people who treat Java as inherently evil because it's somehow "not native" are just as ignorant as the people who extol the virtues of Cocoa as some kind of panacea. Not surprisingly, there's a lot of overlap between these groups. However, it's worth noting that for quite some time Apple was pushing Cocoa/Java, not Cocoa/Objective-C, as the future of the OS. Those claims seem to have died down, but Apple still does not appear to have the idea that "native code" is inherently better. Why, then, should we?

As for BoW itself, aside from the false marketing and misuse of Cocoa, there's frankly the fact that I can't get it to work. The 3-D swarm view is nifty, but I can't figure out any possible use for it except perhaps as a screensaver; all form with no function. Everything else has already been done -and usually better- by Azureus.

Weyland-Yutani · May 2, 2005, 10:15 AM

You sound very bitter Millennium. Think about it

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 2, 2005, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Then, of course, there's the people who refuse to use Azureus because it's written in Java. Although it's true that it doesn't take terribly good advantage of the Mac UI, people who treat Java as inherently evil because it's somehow "not native" are just as ignorant as the people who extol the virtues of Cocoa as some kind of panacea. Not surprisingly, there's a lot of overlap between these groups. However, it's worth noting that for quite some time Apple was pushing Cocoa/Java, not Cocoa/Objective-C, as the future of the OS. Those claims seem to have died down, but Apple still does not appear to have the idea that "native code" is inherently better. Why, then, should we?

Can you point us to a Java app that runs fast and looks like the Mac OS?

CaptainHaddock · May 2, 2005, 03:44 PM

I just hate Java because the only Java apps I have are sluggish, and because 1 of the only 2 kernel panics I've ever had was caused by Azureus. And my favourite apps are all Cocoa apps, even if BoW isn't the most well-designed application ever.

Weyland-Yutani · May 2, 2005, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Can you point us to a Java app that runs fast and looks like the Mac OS?

it must also actually *do* something

I'm not big on this Caarbon vs Cocoa but all my favorite apps are Cocoa except Photoshop, iTunes and Quark. Office 2004 is ok but not a fav.

All the rest are Cocoa. Why? Coincidence perhaps.