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smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 12:38 AM

There. I said it. It had to be said.

Thank you.

besson3c · Aug 30, 2007, 12:42 AM

How many Clapton songs do you have in your collection smacintush?

Chuckit · Aug 30, 2007, 12:50 AM

Also, Sean Connery is old.

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

How many Clapton songs do you have in your collection smacintush?

Why?

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Also, Sean Connery is old.

Sean Connery could fart and it would be more interesting to listen to than listening to Crapton.

starman · Aug 30, 2007, 12:55 AM

Layla.

'nuff said

Dakarʒ · Aug 30, 2007, 12:57 AM

This place is a goldmine of musical hate.

besson3c · Aug 30, 2007, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Why?

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...d-bowie-songs/
http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...-turner-songs/

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Layla.

'nuff said

Layla was ok. (the original, not that steaming pile of hackery acoustic version) I like Wonderful Tonight too.

The list gets pretty thin after that…

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...d-bowie-songs/
http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...-turner-songs/

Oh. I guess I didn't notice those…

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Eric Crapton's career is a goldmine of musical hate.

Fixed™

KeriVit · Aug 30, 2007, 01:05 AM

Sucks seems extreme. Not your taste perhaps. Honestly his career speaks volumes. What do you like that might compare, then, we'll talk.

Dakarʒ · Aug 30, 2007, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Fixed™

Pick any artist. Someone here will tell you they suck.

Edit: I agree with you on Wonderful Tonight.

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by KeriVit

Sucks seems extreme.

Not in my opinion, which is what this thread is about.

Honestly his career speaks volumes.

Yes it does. It just says very little that's interesting.

"Some people with no brains do an awful lot of talking don't they?" - Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz

What do you like that might compare, then, we'll talk.

Compare? Are we gonna "decide" whether I'm right about MY OPINION? What type of artist would YOU consider as someone to compare him to?

Another old worn out musician from the '60's?

Another old worn out musician who did MTV Unplugged in order to revive a dead career?

Should we keep it current and compare him to other blues musicians? I don't think you wanna that.

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Pick any artist. Someone here will tell you they suck.

I agree.

But in this case my view is the correct one.

Jawbone54 · Aug 30, 2007, 01:40 AM

Man....and I love Clapton...

And SRV...
And Jonny Lang
And Joe Bonamassa
And John Mayer (especially the JM3 stuff)

But seriously, does everyone here dislike Clapton?

OldManMac · Aug 30, 2007, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Man....and I love Clapton...

And SRV...
And Jonny Lang
And Joe Bonamassa
And John Mayer (especially the JM3 stuff)

But seriously, does everyone here dislike Clapton?

No. I don't, and I like SRV, some Mayer, and Lang as well. I don't recall ever hearing anything from Joe Bonamassa, so I'll have to check his stuff out.

Chuckit · Aug 30, 2007, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Pick any artist. Someone here will tell you they suck.

Well, they do.

smacintush · Aug 30, 2007, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Man....and I love Clapton...

And SRV...
And Jonny Lang
And Joe Bonamassa
And John Mayer (especially the JM3 stuff)

But seriously, does everyone here dislike Clapton?

I don't really know Bonamassa or Mayer's stuff but the difference is that no one is going around calling these guys "God" or accusing them of being the "greatest guitar player ever". Well, not the last three anyway.

Eric Crapton doesn't deserve these distinctions.

Graviton · Aug 30, 2007, 03:15 AM

Cream rule though. Obviously.

zro · Aug 30, 2007, 03:35 AM

Don't forget The Yardbirds.

I find his post Cream stuff to be really boring.

Madison · Aug 30, 2007, 04:27 AM

I agree with most of the sentiment here. I find that Eric Clapton is EXTREMELY overrated. He was excellent back when he was with Cream, after that, it was a long slow descent into rewriting a song for a beer commercial, mmm, nothing goes down like corporate money.

Graviton · Aug 30, 2007, 04:30 AM

Basically, he used to be awesome but when he quit the drugs and booze he started to get really boring.

Graviton · Aug 30, 2007, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by zro

Don't forget The Yardbirds.

I find his post Cream stuff to be really boring.

Yeah, The Yardbirds stuff was great, but I love Cream. They were a whole sack of awesome.

Blind Faith were excellent too.

Dakarʒ · Aug 30, 2007, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Well, they do.

It's a little too early in the morning to deal with this kind of cleverness.

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 08:49 AM

Clapton has (since "Pilgrim" IMO) descended into the depths of the "Adult Contemporary" genre, but he is most definitely NOT overrated.

His sense of timing, and of playing exactly the perfect note at the perfect time, were and are impeccable. It's not in how many notes you can play.

Side discussion:
Mark Knopfler does basically exactly the same thing as Clapton, except Knopfler does them *completely* wrong - misses the mark just so perfectly, it makes my skull do tectonics. Case in point: "Money for Nothing". Everything on that song grooves like hell, EXCEPT Knopfler's guitar, which is completely out of time and just TOTALLY unfunky. Ack.

Super Mario · 02:43 PM

What do Eric Clapton and his deceased son have in common?

They both made an impact on rock.

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 09:18 AM

(oh that's so wrong, but funny)

Jawbone54 · Aug 30, 2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

What do Eric Clapton and his deceased son have in common?

They both made an impact on rock.

For those who haven't heard Bonamassa, check out "So Many Roads." You can buy it off of iTunes.

$.99. One song. See if you like.

Doofy · Aug 30, 2007, 09:31 AM

I like Clappers. Met him a couple of times, nice bloke. Got bored senseless at one of his shows once (good job I was hammered) - definitely one for the CD player over a nice dinner with pleasant company rather than a live show.

Originally Posted by analogika

Side discussion:
Mark Knopfler does basically exactly the same thing as Clapton, except Knopfler does them *completely* wrong - misses the mark just so perfectly, it makes my skull do tectonics. Case in point: "Money for Nothing". Everything on that song grooves like hell, EXCEPT Knopfler's guitar, which is completely out of time and just TOTALLY unfunky. Ack.

Oh no you didn't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZsyJapeh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ-JyAGUsys

(Man, watching that it's strange to think I was actually at that gig)

Originally Posted by analogika

It's not in how many notes you can play.

Burn the heretic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdMY2Y_iOI

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 09:39 AM

Surprised you didn't post Satriani.

OldManMac · Aug 30, 2007, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

For those who haven't heard Bonamassa, check out "So Many Roads." You can buy it off of iTunes.

$.99. One song. See if you like.

I just did, and I bought it; I like!! I love slow blues! Thanks for the tip.

Doofy · Aug 30, 2007, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Surprised you didn't post Satriani.

Why would I post stuff from that talentless thieving hippie?

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

YouTube - dire straits brothers in arms

Just watching him stumble through the opening solo makes me cringe.

He ALWAYS seems like he's learned everything by heart: It's all the right notes.

But unfortunately, that's the least important bit.

euchomai · Aug 30, 2007, 09:44 AM

I love clapton, went to his show in OKC this year. I enjoyed every minute of it. In my opinion Clapton is a god of rock and is passing the torch to quality guys like Derek Trucks and Doyle Bramhall.

edit:
Oh yeah, forgot to say that, I am right too.

Doofy · Aug 30, 2007, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Just watching him stumble through the opening solo makes me cringe.

He ALWAYS seems like he's learned everything by heart: It's all the right notes.

But unfortunately, that's the least important bit.

Dude, it's quite clear that you simply don't understand Knopfler's style. It's an acquired taste, for sure, but once you "get it" you'll understand why he's a master. I guess it helps in the understanding if you're a guitarist though.

Googer-Giger · Aug 30, 2007, 10:19 AM

I listen to Rage Against the Machine, CKY, Linkin Park, and Queens of the Stone age, and I still find Clapton's music interesting, and enjoy listening to it.

Chuckit · Aug 30, 2007, 10:30 AM

Eh, I think Clapton used to be OK (like back when he first did "Layla"), but somehow he morphed into the musical equivalent of ether quite a while ago.

Super Mario · 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Googer-Giger

I listen to Rage Against the Machine, CKY, Linkin Park, and Queens of the Stone age

I feel sad for you

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Dude, it's quite clear that you simply don't understand Knopfler's style. It's an acquired taste, for sure, but once you "get it" you'll understand why he's a master. I guess it helps in the understanding if you're a guitarist though.

I knew you'd say that, and you're probably right.

I think it's 'cuz my musical approach to rock music came through blues and funk.

And there is decidedly not a single shred of black music in what Knopfler does.

Doofy · Aug 30, 2007, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

I knew you'd say that, and you're probably right.

I think it's 'cuz my musical approach to rock music came through blues and funk.

Yeah, possibly. Mine came up through Elvis, Frank and all those guys with a bit of English folk thrown in.

Instrument of choice could also have a bearing. I mean, I hear loads of people telling me that Jon Lord is a master of the organ, but I've absolutely no idea why - it's just not on my radar.

Originally Posted by analogika

And there is decidedly not a single shred of black music in what Knopfler does.

I hear ya. It's much more "Carlton" than "Will".

Jawbone54 · Aug 30, 2007, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by OldManMac

I just did, and I bought it; I like!! I love slow blues! Thanks for the tip.

No prob. I stumbled across him one day looking for some new blues. Not all of his stuff is great, but I love a few of his songs.

MacosNerd · Aug 30, 2007, 12:21 PM

I'm a big fan of Clapton, mostly his older stuff and his blues. I love Riding with the king, him and BB King unbelievable.

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Yeah, possibly. Mine came up through Elvis, Frank and all those guys with a bit of English folk thrown in.

Instrument of choice could also have a bearing. I mean, I hear loads of people telling me that Jon Lord is a master of the organ, but I've absolutely no idea why - it's just not on my radar.

I think that really has to do more with what he was doing being unheard of at the time, and throwing everything he had at it.

Mr Lord is also an exceptionally nice guy.

I can appreciate great guitar players. But the greatness, to me, is in the expression. Albert Collins, to me, was one of the greatest blues guitarists. His technique was mediocre, but he put more feeling into a single slightly-starved Telecaster note than Knopfler has had in his entire career.

And he grooved like a mother****er.

As for playing fast and yet with real balls, this guy has always done it for me:
YouTube - Ten Years After - I'm Going Home (live Woodstock '69)

Arty50 · Aug 30, 2007, 01:59 PM

Clapton never really did it for me; but my taste aside, he is an undeniably amazing guitarist.

And "Layla" is beat to death. Check out "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad" on Derek and the Dominoes: Live at the Fillmore.

besson3c · Aug 30, 2007, 02:20 PM

I know that part of this discussion is about guitar players with rock roots, but if we were to open this up to include guitar players in general, if you are looking for versatility, the ability to sell a groove, understanding of harmony, improvisation ability, technical ability, big ears, ability to work within a rhythm section/band behind other players, and an impressive, varied list of credentials, my money is on John Scofield:

YouTube - Medeski Scofield Martin and Wood - 7/5/07 - Part 1

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 02:23 PM

Oddly, the stuff Scofield did that I like best BY FAR is the stuff he did with MMW.

Doofy · Aug 30, 2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

I can appreciate great guitar players. But the greatness, to me, is in the expression. Albert Collins, to me, was one of the greatest blues guitarists. His technique was mediocre, but he put more feeling into a single slightly-starved Telecaster note than Knopfler has had in his entire career.

And he grooved like a mother****er.

Aye, you can't argue with a bit of Albert. Legend, that bloke.

However, he and Knopfler have different styles. Blues vs. country. It's apples and oranges. I wouldn't even begin to compare them, 'coz it simply can't be done.

analogika · Aug 30, 2007, 02:27 PM

Good point.

besson3c · Aug 30, 2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Oddly, the stuff Scofield did that I like best BY FAR is the stuff he did with MMW.

MMW has always seemed less jazz in origin and influence than Scofield, but they have always been able to sound great as a group, and their writing is always interesting. Throwing Scofield into the mix provides for a great marriage... Scofield obviously has the greater depth in being able to develop a solo with a greater set of harmonic tools to draw from, but they are only as good as the content being fed to him by MMW, so it's a great matchup!

Here is some more of Scofield from the same concert:

YouTube - Medeski Scofield Martin and Wood - 7/5/07 - Part 4

There are a couple of BB King inflections in the beginning of his solo, but check out the stuff that MMW is doing behind him.. everybody in this group has great ears!