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Busemann · Mar 24, 2003, 03:21 PM

Yea! for all uf us with PC using friends this is definitely a welcome update

more info here (soon)

btw. Isn't today the two year anniversary for OS X (march 24)?

gorickey · Mar 24, 2003, 06:32 PM

It's out, I hope it's all you wanted it be and more...as for me, I'm staying about as far away from this as possible.

allap · Mar 24, 2003, 07:25 PM

well, i just downloaded it and for the 5meg file size increase you'd think there'd be more improvements to it.

ambush · Mar 24, 2003, 08:10 PM

not an impressive update.

I'm still amazed to see how MS tries to imitate the cocoa look and feel thru carbon (see the new archive reader )

Andrew 8808 · Mar 24, 2003, 08:16 PM

For those who have installed it, what has changed? Just wondering so if it's nothing major, I won't have to bother with downloading

ambush · Mar 24, 2003, 08:28 PM

it's a lot more snappier

It really is.

Michael_Jackson · Mar 24, 2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Busemann:
Yea! for all uf us with PC using friends this is definitely a welcome update

more info here (soon)

btw. Isn't today the two year anniversary for OS X (march 24)?

I LIKE the looks of that MSN Explorer. Definitely looks like Microsoft put more thought into that than AOL did for AOL v.X.

AshUK · Mar 24, 2003, 09:41 PM

Any screenies?
Never seen MSN Messenger for Mac

bradoesch · Mar 24, 2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by AshUK:
Any screenies?
Never seen MSN Messenger for Mac

Here's one of the main window.

allap · Mar 24, 2003, 11:07 PM

the one thing i hate most about msn messenger is the inability to make aliases or nicknames (whatever they are called) for your contacts. There's nothing more annoying then going online and having to right click on your contacts name to see who you are talking to. Why do people insist on giving themselves stupid quotes as names and changing them every day!!!!

sushiism · Mar 24, 2003, 11:14 PM

it appears to have a message archive O_O does the pc version even have this yet. and thank god options about bouncing thats great

dr.george · Mar 24, 2003, 11:44 PM

Proteus all the way ... messenger sucks.

Superchicken · Mar 25, 2003, 12:02 AM

Proteus rocks... I just wish you could put your contact list into that drawer... I'd organize more if I stayed in OS X more. Anyway, I havn't even been able to connect to MSN through MSN, it's ironic that proteus has more reliable connections than the offical MSN client.

But yeah proteus = 100% better than MSN messanger, if they could make it as snappy as proteus then I might use it, for now I keep it on my HD for file transfer since when I try that for proteus it messes up.

gorickey · Mar 25, 2003, 02:10 AM

LOL, this is hilarious....I went ahead and downloaded and immediately after every quit it crashes...

To be expected I suppose.

--------------------
Command: MSN Messenger Daemon
PID: 550

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x4c696272

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x9068ba54 in objc_msgSend
#1 0x901320c0 in CFRelease
#2 0x9013de6c in CFDictionaryRemoveAllValues
#3 0x9013dc9c in __CFDictionaryDeallocate
#4 0x901321e0 in CFRelease
#5 0x9015aeb4 in __CFBundleDeallocate
#6 0x901321e0 in CFRelease
#7 0x00052ea0 in 0x52ea0
#8 0x00014678 in 0x14678
#9 0x0001613c in 0x1613c
#10 0x00015f90 in 0x15f90
#11 0x000042c4 in 0x42c4
#12 0x000040f4 in 0x40f4

Thread 1:
#0 0x90073c48 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005f90 in mach_msg
#2 0xc0007758 in __ape_internal
#3 0xc0001160 in __ape_agent
#4 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 2:
#0 0x9003eaa8 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8c4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90233368 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x9023c170 in TimerThread
#4 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 3:
#0 0x90073c48 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005f90 in mach_msg
#2 0x9022a75c in SwitchContexts
#3 0x90225008 in YieldToThread
#4 0x9022abbc in YieldToAnyThread
#5 0x0006ca6c in 0x6ca6c
#6 0x000d2920 in 0xd2920
#7 0x0006d170 in 0x6d170
#8 0x9023bdac in CooperativeThread
#9 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x9068ba54 srr1: 0x0200f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x20000000 lr: 0x901320c0 ctr: 0x9068ba3c mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x901320a8 r1: 0xbffff930 r2: 0x2880424d r3: 0x00d17b60
r4: 0x906ca0d0 r5: 0xa067ade0 r6: 0x901c8504 r7: 0x00002628
r8: 0x00000000 r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0x901c850c r11: 0x00000000
r12: 0x4c696272 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0x00000000
r24: 0xa01355e8 r25: 0xa0135618 r26: 0x00d17cd0 r27: 0x00000040
r28: 0x9068ba3c r29: 0x00d17b60 r30: 0xa0130da0 r31: 0x90131ff4

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 25, 2003, 03:38 AM

Yippie! It still sux and has new stupid sounds!

I'll stick with Fire.

nsxpower · Mar 25, 2003, 05:50 AM

WOW, more useless features. Just great! Where is my voice and video chat?

willed · Mar 25, 2003, 07:08 AM

yeah, well when Proteus or Fire can handle three person conversations, call me back. It sucks to be the one who fcuks things up in a conversation because you're the only Mac user. MSN 3.5 better be more snappy - ie it better be able to keep up with text input on my iBook 500!

Apfhex · Mar 25, 2003, 07:14 AM

Guess there are very few Mac users out there who like Messenger then. I happen to think the interface looks just fine. A lot better than the Windows version.

v3.5 has new sounds (well, they give the option to use the old ones if you don't like them), ability to change you nickname on the fly (just click on your name in the main window, don't have to open the prefrences), time stamps on messages, message archives (new and neat, but I doubt very useful), and you can fianlly turn off icon bouncing.

I don't find anything wrong with people changing their nicknames. It's a very good feature when used well, with the right people. I suppose if you had a /very/ large contacts list it might get confusing.
One thing I noticed about this new version is that it now has ads. The previous ones didn't for me, since I have Office installed, but I guess for some reason it doesn't recognize that anymore (there's probably a fix for that, but it doesn't really matter).

xainui · Mar 25, 2003, 08:48 AM

View > Promotional Pane

voila! How many free apps let you do that?

I like it, the new dock icons are neat.

Peter · Mar 25, 2003, 12:53 PM

Microsoft went OTT on Aqua !

Jan Van Boghout · Mar 25, 2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by xainui:
View > Promotional Pane

voila! How many free apps let you do that?

I like it, the new dock icons are neat.

The damn promotional pane selection stays dimmed here

Could you take a look in the Messenger prefs for some key that sets this behaviour ? Than I can do it the ard way

Chris Grande · Mar 25, 2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
The damn promotional pane select...

Might only work if you have Office v.X installed.

Busemann · Mar 25, 2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Chris Grande:
Might only work if you have Office v.X installed.

Yep, I have Office installed and i can turn the promotion pane off.

Jan Van Boghout · Mar 25, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Busemann:
Yep, I have Office installed and i can turn the promotion pane off.

Hmm. Could you send me your Messenger prefs file? It's in ~Library/Preferences/Microsoft/

jan (at) macrabbit.com

Peter · Mar 25, 2003, 03:35 PM

Once again MS has gone way too far on the Aqua!

CatOne · Mar 25, 2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Andrew 8808:
For those who have installed it, what has changed? Just wondering so if it's nothing major, I won't have to bother with downloading

It has two things I'd really been wanting:

* Groups are now supported (a la the PC version). No longer is it just big fat groups "online" and "offline" -- you can have groups like "work" "friends" ... and drag contacts there. The groups are the same on the PC or Mac versions, so that's nice.

* Easy archival. You can archive each message and recall convos whenever you want (without having to do a "save as..."). Used it once now and it's pretty slick. You can do a "save as" as text from the message or from the archive, should you want.

I use the Microsoft Messenger network because that's what we use here at work... so I like it. I don't use the AIM network so iChat ain't the thing for me now.

Apfhex · Mar 25, 2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by xainui:
View > Promotional Pane

voila! How many free apps let you do that?

I like it, the new dock icons are neat.

Ah, I totally overlooked that option. How handy.

I also noticed that it no longer opens IE when you click the New Mail popup or the Mail button...instead it opens Safari?! Camino is my default browser.

gorickey · Mar 25, 2003, 07:36 PM

So really...anybody have a clue as to why I am getting an error for a "MSN Messenger Daemon" after each quit of MSN? I've re-installed, deleted prefs, cursed Bill Gates, thought it over in the bathroom and still no luck.

Thanks.

sushiism · Mar 25, 2003, 08:01 PM

there was groups in 3.0

megasad · Mar 26, 2003, 09:29 PM

Craptastic.

~/Documents/Microsoft User Data/ is back.

I moved it to ~/Library/Preferences/ ages ago, and Microsoft Office has respected that just fine. However, MSN 3.5 re-created it, placed a folder called 'MSN Messenger History' inside of it. Fair enough, I think, I'll just move it inside of my pre-exisiting 'Microsoft User Data' folder. Alas, it does not work; MSN does not see the archived messages when you try to look at them. Move the folder back inside of ~/Documents, and it does.

Before I get too angry, does anyone know of some way to change the message archive's location?

If there is no way, I guess I'll have to switch off the archiving and go back to using Fire...

JellyBeen · Mar 26, 2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by megasad:
Craptastic.

~/Documents/Microsoft User Data/ is back.

I moved it to ~/Library/Preferences/ ages ago, and Microsoft Office has respected that just fine. However, MSN 3.5 re-created it, placed a folder called 'MSN Messenger History' inside of it. Fair enough, I think, I'll just move it inside of my pre-exisiting 'Microsoft User Data' folder. Alas, it does not work; MSN does not see the archived messages when you try to look at them. Move the folder back inside of ~/Documents, and it does.

Before I get too angry, does anyone know of some way to change the message archive's location?

If there is no way, I guess I'll have to switch off the archiving and go back to using Fire...

I believe a "symbolic link" would do the trick if an alias fails. To create your sym link,you can download cocktail and use that.
Hope this helps you..

ryju · Mar 26, 2003, 10:43 PM

I like it...PLZ don't hurt me

megasad · Mar 27, 2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by JellyBeen:
I believe a "symbolic link" would do the trick if an alias fails. To create your sym link,you can download cocktail and use that.
Hope this helps you..

Or in the Terminal even. However, before I resort to such tactics, I prefer to find out whether there is a way within the application to do what I want. And, if there is not, then I usually still don't make a symbolic link, rather I refuse to use the software. It's a matter of principle. Or anal retentiveness. One of the two.

Jerommeke · Mar 27, 2003, 03:29 AM

I think it is less crap then before but still crap. Proteus is my friend

asmodeus · Mar 27, 2003, 04:09 AM

It's definately much nicer to use than the old 3.0 release. It's still got some rough edges.

Clicking the dock icon no longer reopens & focuses the main contacts list when there's conversation windows open, which is what I hated most about 3.0.