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gorickey · May 15, 2002, 02:36 PM

What do you mean they were right???

John B. Smith · May 15, 2002, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
What do you mean they were right???

sounds to me like they're gonna sue someone for libel, which means that maybe they really are an actual company..

gorickey · May 15, 2002, 02:51 PM

It doesn't matter if they are actual or not, the point is they filed Chapter 11, and they never shipped people their goods...for that reason alone, they should not be considered legit or "actual"

Just my opinion.

John B. Smith · May 15, 2002, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
It doesn't matter if they are actual or not, the point is they filed Chapter 11, and they never shipped people their goods...for that reason alone, they should not be considered legit or "actual"

Just my opinion.

So who among us do you think JC Morris will sue?

gorickey · May 15, 2002, 03:15 PM

They can sue everybody on this board; however, they have no case....simple as that, nor the resources to do so in a manner that will be beneficial towards them.

VValdo · May 15, 2002, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by John B. Smith:


So who among us do you think JC Morris will sue?

It looked at one point as though they were interested in suing PBZone.com -- check out this stuff here.

W

Buckaroo · May 15, 2002, 03:46 PM

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gorickey · May 15, 2002, 05:07 PM

Can they sue you for posting your opinion or concerns. If I read some negative information about a company and posted a message pointing out the other information and showing concern or warning to others, I don't think that is libel.

I may be wrong, but I think they would have a hard time proving it in court.

PONSI

I didn't say anything.

Of course they cannot do that, for example....does that mean anybody who posts on "epinions.com" can be sued for libel? I think not. That whole entire web-site is filled with how people view vendors on the internet, etc.....IMPOSSIBLE to prove!

romeosc · May 16, 2002, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:


Of course they cannot do that, for example....does that mean anybody who posts on "epinions.com" can be sued for libel? I think not. That whole entire web-site is filled with how people view vendors on the internet, etc.....IMPOSSIBLE to prove!

ANYONE CAN SUE ANYONE! ......

That is why there are so many lawyers..

mmc · May 18, 2002, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by romeosc:


ANYONE CAN SUE ANYONE! ......

That is why there are so many lawyers..

You are right. Forums such as these have been sued with varied degrees of success. They can sue and accuse you of libel. The burden will rest on the defendant show that he/she isn't libel.

VValdo · May 18, 2002, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by mmc:


You are right. Forums such as these have been sued with varied degrees of success. They can sue and accuse you of libel. The burden will rest on the defendant show that he/she isn't libel.

According to their current Web page, JC Morris now says:

As part of their bankruptcy proceeding, J.C. Morris & Company will be filing suit against dozens of defendants, alleging defamation, harassment, libel, trade libel, tortious interference, etc. J.C. Morris & Company will be seeking damages of at least $10 million.

So there you have it. They say they'll be updating their site "often" so be sure to back frequently...

W

John B. Smith · May 18, 2002, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by VValdo:


So there you have it. They say they'll be updating their site "often" so be sure to back frequently...

W

These guys don't sound like they're joking anymore.

iChristopher · May 18, 2002, 03:25 PM

You would be wrong about that. You can not go around posting anything about anyone and expect to have unlimited protection. They can choose to sue you, and it's possible they would win under the right cirucmstances.

Many sites use their user agreement and an insurance pollicy to pass liability to the individual posters on their site. If you go to any site and post something that pisses off a company, they can sue your ass and they might even win.

Originally posted by gorickey:


Of course they cannot do that, for example....does that mean anybody who posts on "epinions.com" can be sued for libel? I think not. That whole entire web-site is filled with how people view vendors on the internet, etc.....IMPOSSIBLE to prove!

[ 05-18-2002: Message edited by: iChristopher ]

gorickey · May 19, 2002, 01:04 AM

Okay, I suppose it is indeed possible of course, much like anything; however, it should be stated that in this case, it would be very hard for them to win since the people who have slammed this company can simply prove that they never did indeed receive their products and have a million e-mails to back up their claims where JCM has flat out lied in resolution matters, etc. etc. That is not libel, that is FACT....100%.

CMYKid · May 28, 2002, 10:26 AM

the latest from the JCMorris.com site...

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> J.C. Morris & Company, Inc. announces that it's libel action suit has been finalized and will be filed on Wednesday, May 28, 2002 followed by their Bankruptcy petition to be filed on Thursday May, 29, 2002. J.C. Morris & Company, Inc. will post the docket numbers on this site the following day.

In related developments J.C. Morris & Company is also seeking legal advice regarding the filing of a second lawsuit on behalf of it's customers against specific individuals and entities who have engaged in a conspiracy to cause injury to J.C. Morris & Company's customers.
�
J.C. Morris & Company will be sending notification to all their customers who have received a product and/or service within the last six months for assistance.
�
If you are currently a customer who has been affected by the disruptions of our operations and who would like to consider being a plaintiff in the second suit please email [email protected] and you will be contacted by phone.� Please include your name and daytime phone number.

Should you have any additional questions please contact us at 404-521-3624. <hr /></blockquote>not that any of this is gospel of course, since it hasnt actually HAPPENED yet, even according to them. What's interesting tho is the final paragraph, attempting to take presently disgruntled customers who've been screwed out of their money and product and use them as supporting plaintiffs. I'm sure that whatever paperwork they'd sign to bring them on-board would include giving up the right to sure them in the future. Certainly an interesting tactic...

saraho · Jun 10, 2002, 08:05 AM

The Atlanta BBB reports receiving 86 complaints about J.C. Morris.
In 67 of the 86 cases, the company failed to respond to the BBB.
The BBB does not give this company a satisfactory rating. <a href="http://www.atlanta.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=6004750" target="_blank">See this.</a>

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Buckaroo · Jun 10, 2002, 10:52 AM

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CCL · Jun 10, 2002, 10:42 PM

At:

<a href="http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=24&threadid=53925" target="_blank">http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=24&threadid=53925</a>

there is a request for feedback on today's "phone in".

Could anyone who is awaiting money/product/legal action, please take a look?

Thanks

saraho · Jun 22, 2002, 06:02 PM

This is a follow-up news story posted on Auctionbytes yesterday.

eBay PowerSeller Charged with Grand Larceny, Begins Making Restitution
By David Steiner - June 21, 2002

A New York City man, charged with one count of 2nd degree Grand Larceny and one count of 1st degree Scheme to Defraud, has reportedly begun sending refunds to buyers. Neil Bansal, aged 24, was arrested in his home on May 13th after 32 complaints, totaling more than $50,000, were lodged against him by customers who claimed they purchased Sony Vaio Laptops, Pioneer Plasma televisions and Bose Speakers from him on eBay between November 2001 and March 2002.

Victor Montanez, who purchased a Bose DVD-based home entertainment system from Bansal on eBay in February, told AuctionBytes that he received a check a week ago in the amount of $1844.99 that was sent by the New York DA's office and drawn on an account of Bansal's parents. Montanez said he has been in touch with other users who also report receiving refunds.

Bansal allegedly sold on eBay under the name shakes955, an ID that was registered on eBay on August 1998. Victor Montanez said he did his homework before bidding on Bansal's auction. "Shakes955" had 188 feedbacks and was an eBay PowerSeller. "I reviewed the feedback, and he seemed like a reputable dealer," Montanez said.

David Gordon, Bansal's attorney, maintains that his client is not guilty of the charges and has reimbursed most, if not all of the customers. "We're confident that when all the facts come out, it will be shown that Neil was the victim here and he did not attempt to defraud anybody."

Bansal bought his merchandise through J.C.Morris & Co in Atlanta, according to Gordon. Gordon said his records will prove that Bansal had ordered all of the items from J.C.Morris & Co. and has proof that his client had sent money to the distributor. "He [Bansal] paid the company for Sony laptops, Palmtops and Bose Sound systems," said Gordon. "Everything was fine until J.C.Morris stopped making deliveries." Gordon said his client had filed a complaint against J.C. Morris & Co. with the FBI, FTC and the Better Business Bureau of Atlanta on April 24.

A notice on the J.C. Morris & Co. Web site last month (http://www.jcmorris.com) stated that the company would be filing for bankruptcy on May 29th. The page has been updated to state that J.C. Morris will be reopening June 24th, 2002.

"I'm certainly delighted at receiving the refund," said Montanez. "However, I think that facts that come out at Bansal's trial will speak for themselves. The justice system will determine whether it was intentional deception on his part or not."

Buckaroo · Jun 24, 2002, 01:11 PM

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Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 9, 2002, 12:35 AM

JC Morris are ALL a bunch of fraudulent fags.

Sue me.

gorickey · Jul 9, 2002, 12:37 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
JC Morris are ALL a bunch of fraudulent fags.

Sue me.<hr /></blockquote>Watch out, they just might do that....luckily, you "escaped" the list...LOL!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Scotttheking · Jul 9, 2002, 01:10 AM

SUE ME TOO, ME TOO

BTW, I sure hope the suit thing was a joke, but if they are serious, I'd like to point out that they forgot to put me on the list.

They are obviously a horrible ripoff.

--Scott

Captain Obvious · Jul 9, 2002, 06:46 AM

Dammit I wish I was in on this. This is one fun case. What I found really interesting was this little fact posted on another site:

I did a lookup on J.C. Morris & Co., and it seems as if they didn't register as a business until late February (if my memory serves me correctly). My lawyer informed me that anyone who paid prior to this registration can go directly after the individual's assets (i.e. Todd Short's personal bank accounts)

I want to see if I can look in on GA books and see what the rules governing personal assets say but how fun would it be to ruin someone and make them poor.
Also did anyone get served from the forum? If you did can you send me a case number? Depending on where it was filed it may be possible to see the all the actions taken thus far by the plaintiff. And where this whole situation stands.

I'll say this though, the firm (Hurt, Levine, Papadakis) is legitimate. And the attorney seems to be in good standing with the state bar. But if this company is really just one person then I don't see how he can support a suit of this magnitude. The risk of losing would be pretty bad, he'd have to pay restitution on the items, file for bankruptcy, and still pay his legal bills.

girloncrack · Jul 19, 2002, 05:20 AM

hmm, I could have sworn MacNNN was somewhere on JCM's "You Hurt Our Feelings" list? Well they've taken it down now so who knows... <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

MadMacs · Oct 5, 2002, 01:42 AM

fulmer · Oct 5, 2002, 01:34 PM

huh? your comment is a bit vague. you didn't fall for this scam, did you?

rambo47 · Oct 5, 2002, 09:08 PM

So where to scam-boy and company stand? Looks like he doesn't have the $$ to go to chapter 11 bankruptcy let alone sue anyone. He probably drives a Yugo and lives in a crappy apartment so there will be no refunds, or so it seems. What a scumbag.

mmc · Jan 11, 2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by rambo47:
So where to scam-boy and company stand? Looks like he doesn't have the $$ to go to chapter 11 bankruptcy let alone sue anyone. He probably drives a Yugo and lives in a crappy apartment so there will be no refunds, or so it seems. What a scumbag.

A website has been created with all the information you could ever want about J. C. Morris. Latest being that he was declared incompetent by a North Carolina Court. I will provide the link below.

J. C Morris info site

mmc · May 14, 2003, 06:46 PM

J C Morris Todd Short Update
This was copied off of Fat Wallet thread today:
Date Posted: May/14/2003 8:20 AM

Jerry W. Miller
Assistant United States Attorney
Western District of North Carolina
Room 233 U.S. Courthouse
100 Otis Street
Asheville, NC 28801-2611
FAX 828.271.4670

Please be advised that Todd Wilson Short was arrested May 13, 2003 on a complaint charging him with wire fraud and mail fraud. His initial appearance will be held this morning in federal court in Asheville. The law requires that his charges be presented to a federal grand jury within 30 days of his initial appearance.

If any of the readers of this forum consider themselves victims of the alleged crimes of Todd Wilson Short, J.C. Morris & Co., MedNetPlus, Inc., Benton Medical Group, Inc. and have not provided your complete information to the F.B.I.; or, if you are unsure if your information has been provided to the F.B.I., please mail or fax a letter to me at the above address/fax number. PLEASE make sure the letter contains the following: 1) Your name, 2) complete mailing address, 3)phone number, 4) email address, 5)amount of your loss, 6) date of your transaction, 7) method you used to pay, and 8) a compete narrative of the circumstances of your dealings with Todd Wilson Short or his associates. If you have retained records, please provide a copy of those with your letter. Please, where possible, include names, phone numbers, and dates of contact for all contact with Todd Wilson Short, the named entities or his associates.

Those who are already in the F.B.I database as victims as well as those who are added by replies to this posting, will be kept informed of the progress of the case.

The Asheville Division of the United States District Court for the Western District of North Carolina has a reputation for a "rocket docket" which means this prosecution will progress through the court promptly -- Usually within 90 days unless the proceedings are delayed by intervening procedures.

Please note that neither this posting nor this message board will be monitored by prosecutors or agents; therefore, replies must be made by either mail or fax. Please feel free to copy and distribute this information to anyone who may be a victim of the alleged crimes of Todd Wilson Short.

Jerry W. Miller
Assistant United States Attorney, WDNC
link