[PaperNotes]

Self-explanatory poll! Have fun discussing!

[besson3c]

I think what needs to be discussed are ways which PaperNotes/Abe could be less obnoxious.

[Sayf-Allah]

Hussein will be a his own kind of leader.

And isn't it time this poster gets banned? Spamming the forum with BS. Oh wait... he agrees with a certain mods PoV....

Nm

[osiris]

I concur a ban on PaperNotes. One thread was cute, now it's grown stupid and obnoxious.

[RAILhead]

If every stupid and obnoxious poster got banned, there'd be no one left.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

Hussein will be a his own kind of leader.

And isn't it time this poster gets banned? Spamming the forum with BS. Oh wait... he agrees with a certain mods PoV....

Nm

Banned? Why should he be banned when simply asking him to cut it out might just suffice? Your little dig against vmarks is also rather unfair in this case. There is enough bitterness in this place as it is to spare dragging baggage from thread to thread.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

If every stupid and obnoxious poster got banned, there'd be no one left.

Have you ever heard of a Colostomy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostomy

What do you think it would be like?

[Chongo]

No Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and most important, Herbert Hoover? (not J Edgar) My vote is for Hoover.

[osiris]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

If every stupid and obnoxious poster got banned, there'd be no one left.

Good point.

[PaperNotes]

Dear Leader would be proud his supporters believe in banning a little fun, scientific talk and other forms of free speech.

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

Hussein will be a his own kind of leader.

And isn't it time this poster gets banned? Spamming the forum with BS. Oh wait... he agrees with a certain mods PoV....

Nm

The moderator served me with an infraction for your information. I can take that on the chin. Can you take free discussion just as easily?

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Have you ever heard of a Colostomy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostomy

What do you think it would be like?

Like 4 years of the Maobama Administration!

ZING!!!11!

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Banned? Why should he be banned when simply asking him to cut it out might just suffice?

We've had thousands of posters like this. None of them changed their way when asked to do so.

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

We've had thousands of posters like this. None of them changed their way when asked to do so.

Says the terrorist sympathiser.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

Like 4 years of the Maobama Administration!

ZING!!!11!

I guess I opened myself up for that one! At some point, in another thread and in another time and in another dimension, I would love to have an in depth conversation with you about pooping into a bag out of your stomach.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

We've had thousands of posters like this. None of them changed their way when asked to do so.

Then just ignore him. He just called you a terrorist sympathizer. He insulted me incoherently about Linux and "web design software" even though we're not talking about those things. He clearly is not a terribly mature person, so why stoop to his level? Just rise above it and ignore it.

[besson3c]

So, what is this thread supposed to be about again?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

Like 4 years of the Maobama Administration!

ZING!!!11!

I resent that!

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I guess I opened myself up for that one! At some point, in another thread and in another time and in another dimension, I would love to have an in depth conversation with you about pooping into a bag out of your stomach.

I keep my stomach too full of Eggo Waffles and Honey Bunches of Oats with Almonds, so I'd have no room for the "F" material in there.

I guess I would just die.

[ort888]

No Hitler? No Saddam Hussein? No Nero?

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by ort888 

No Hitler? No Saddam Hussein? No Nero?

12 options max, man. I can't add Stalin and Hitler. They murdered too many millions. Obama will lay the groundwork for future leaders to do that. First Big Brother must create the system that will enable full control over everyone. That is the duty of current leaders.

Future leaders will suppress dissent when the population realises so many rights have been taken away.

Oh well. Back to your game consoles and Facebook girlfriends.

[osiris]

Originally Posted by ort888 

No Hitler? No Saddam Hussein? No Nero?

What about Julius Caesar, famed inventor of Caesar salad, dressing and a variety of other condiments?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

Dear Leader would be proud his supporters believe in banning a little fun, scientific talk and other forms of free speech.

Relax, have a homebrew!

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

I keep my stomach too full of Eggo Waffles and Honey Bunches of Oats with Almonds, so I'd have no room for the "F" material in there.

I guess I would just die.

What is the "f material"?

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Then just ignore him. He just called you a terrorist sympathizer. He insulted me incoherently about Linux and "web design software" even though we're not talking about those things. He clearly is not a terribly mature person, so why stoop to his level? Just rise above it and ignore it.

I ignored it and reported it.

Do I expect anything more than a slap on the wrist? Absolutely not.

(although I am expecting a infraction for myself for mentioning this)

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

I ignored it and reported it.

Do I expect anything more than a slap on the wrist? Absolutely not.

(although I am expecting a infraction for myself for mentioning this)

People who come up with labels like "terrorist sympathizer" and whatever else he comes up with for me most often come as the result of either frustration with not being able to come up with a decent intellectual argument that can withstand scrutiny, or simple intellectual laziness in relying on this as a shortcut to actually making a point.

Either way, my advice is to treat this as not your shortcoming, but your attacker's. Calling people names was a satisfactory form of debate in grade school, but it doesn't work among mature adults. This is the case regardless of where the attack is directed and how agreeable or disagreeable it may be.

[BadKosh]

0bama will be a cross between Carter and Castro.

[vmarks]

Guys, since there are a few people managing to be on-topic here, I'm highly tempted to delete the posts which are off-topic.

If we can't get away from making off-topic posts, and deleting isn't appetizing, then I can lock the whole thing.

So far, I count 10 posts on topic. It seems to me that's enough to let it continue for now.

EDIT: And please, no speculation or discussion on the ban that PaperNotes earned - it was the result of the sum of infractions.

[Monique]

Like the bad side of Harding.

[Shaddim]

I voted Kennedy, and I fully expect another Bay of Pigs type incident.

[TheWOAT]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I voted Kennedy, and I fully expect another Bay of Pigs type incident.

Well, is wife isnt as good looking, and I cant think of any candidates for the role of Marylin Monroe (aka mistress). but Obama already made a speech in Germany.

As for Bay of Pigs, I dont think he will make the same mistake as Clinton with Somalia... but I cant see Obama talking tough like Kennedy during the missile crisis. I see ZERO defining moments for Obama, and just disappointment... Kind like when Mexico elected Vicente Fox, a whole of promises about change, but in the end nothing was done (not saying it was Vicente's fault either).

[Captain Obvious]

Jimmy Carter. He was always destined to follow that path if he got elected..

The funny thing about this poll is that JFK is leading. And despite all your romantic notions of his administration from a historical perspective Kennedy was mediocre at best. So yes, maybe that's the heights Obama will aspire to.

[chris v]

I find it telling that you add Patrice Lumumba to the list. I know you can't answer for yourself, but do conservatives here in any way hope/think he'll be bumped off in a military coup?

Lumumba's murder & the subsequent looting & reign of terror by Mobutu Sese Seko (rumored to have been abetted in his rise to power by the CIA, and a US "ally" in the battle against Soviet aggression) was the bane of central Africa for 50 years, and counting. The legacy of this disaster just keeps on giving. The worst of the worst when it comes to Cold War blowback.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

I ignored it and reported it.

I'm not sure that this makes any sense.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

What is the "f material"?

Fecal, of course.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

I'm not sure that this makes any sense.

I sort of agree.... but you know what I mean.


As for what kind of leader Hussein will be. He'll be his own kind of leader and we'll just have to wait to see how he turns out.

But there is one thing we know for certain. He'll never be as bad as the chimp that ran the US the last eight years. So things are bound to become better.

[BadKosh]

I can see 0bama using executive orders to tamper with our rights, especially the 1st and second. Remove free speech and take the guns and you have changed citizens into prisoners. He will waste money on welfare and socialist programs and pack the courts with activist left-leaning judges who will continue to cause problems for decades.

the only good hat might happen is that people will have SUCH A BAD TASTE in their mouths that in 2 years a majority of Libs are voted out of office to be replaced by conservatives that will stop 0bamas progress toward the dark side.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

I can see 0bama using executive orders to tamper with our rights, especially the 1st and second. Remove free speech and take the guns and you have changed citizens into prisoners.

You can't just delete sections of the constitution with a stroke of the pen. Bush tried, and that's one of the reasons he is so insanely unpopular. Least popular president in history. Period. Of. All. Time. I remain hopeful that Obama's promises to respect the constitution (he's a constitutional scholar) will be kept insofar as he at least works through the preferred system, where congress writes the legislation and the president signs or vetos it. sure, presidents can direct various depts. of the executive branch to behave in certain ways with executive orders, but those should ostensibly be within the existing framework of current law, not with end-runs around it, like extrajudicial renditions, illegal wiretapping, etc. I hope Obama will STOP these most egregious violations of our constitutional rights, and that's why I voted for him.

We've had more rights suspended/taken away in secret by Bush than at any time in modern history. There hasn't been really any priority given to gun control, even by the democrats in a good 10 years, or more, other than assault weapons, and I don't think it's possible for the feds to swoop down and take away your guns, anyway, even if they wanted to. Lay off the Infowars.com -- it'll provide a relaxing benefit.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by chris v 

I find it telling that you add Patrice Lumumba to the list. I know you can't answer for yourself, but do conservatives here in any way hope/think he'll be bumped off in a military coup?

Lumumba's murder & the subsequent looting & reign of terror by Mobutu Sese Seko (rumored to have been abetted in his rise to power by the CIA, and a US "ally" in the battle against Soviet aggression) was the bane of central Africa for 50 years, and counting. The legacy of this disaster just keeps on giving. The worst of the worst when it comes to Cold War blowback.

I hope you're not excusing Lumumba. He was trained by the KGB and so was Mobutu and many other Africans. The Congo was a client state of Russia not the US! Lumumba was a cold hearted murderer. When Katanga peacefully broke off from the Congo and declared their support for democracy and the West, Lumumba and the Kremlin complained to the UN. The UN sent in troops to crush the people of Katanga. They killed everyone from children to the old. The UN bombed nurseries and hospitals to force Katanga back under Congolese control. And it was supported by Kennedy who turned a blind eye to Katanga's requests for help.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

I hope you're not excusing Lumumba. He was trained by the KGB and so was Mobutu and many other Africans. The Congo was a client state of Russia not the US! Lumumba was a cold hearted murderer. When Katanga peacefully broke off from the Congo and declared their support for democracy and the West, Lumumba and the Kremlin complained to the UN. The UN sent in troops to crush the people of Katanga. They killed everyone from children to the old. The UN bombed nurseries and hospitals to force Katanga back under Congolese control. And it was supported by Kennedy who turned a blind eye to Katanga's requests for help.

There's a paucity of written material in English on the subject, so I am by no means an expert. Lumumba was at the very least, however, democratically elected, at least bt African standards, which are somewhat dodgy, at best. Mobutu, however, was installed into power by the military, and I really don't think the horrific effects of his reign can be disputed. But please, try, for my sake.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

When Katanga peacefully broke off from the Congo and declared their support for democracy and the West, Lumumba and the Kremlin complained to the UN.

You mean Katanga that used Belgian troops and mercenaries to secede from Congo?

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

You mean Katanga that used Belgian troops and mercenaries to secede from Congo?

Excuse me but you're skewing history and that is frankly unacceptable. Katanga broke off peacefully before violence could spread there and requested the help of Belgian troops to defend themselves from the inevitable attacks from Lumumba's murderous forces. This failed anyway because the UN came along and massacred the Katangese themselves.

No excuses for the UN, please. They did dirty work for the Soviets when they destroyed the movement for democracy in Katanga. The UN has a history of criminal activity in Africa that continues to this day.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by chris v 

You can't just delete sections of the constitution with a stroke of the pen. Bush tried, and that's one of the reasons he is so insanely unpopular. Least popular president in history. Period. Of. All. Time. I remain hopeful that Obama's promises to respect the constitution (he's a constitutional scholar)

You will find on the net, on YouTube for example, radio interviews going back to 2001 in which Obama says he thinks the Contitution is flawed, even with post-Civil War amendments. That's not really respectful at all considering the Constitution has all the necassary checks and balances that a healthy democracy should have.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

You will find on the net, on YouTube for example, radio interviews going back to 2001 in which Obama says he thinks the Contitution is flawed, even with post-Civil War amendments. That's not really respectful at all considering the Constitution has all the necassary checks and balances that a healthy democracy should have.

BO said the Bill of Rights are "negative rights", that they say what the government can't do to you, not what it should do for you.
What happened to:

Ask not what your country can do for you - Ask what you can do for your country.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

BO said the Bill of Rights are "negative rights", that they say what the government can't do to you, not what it should do for you.
What happened to:

Jon Voight recently said in an interview that Kennedy's phrase has been turned the other way around now. Too much government.

[Chongo]

From the Washington Post

A team of four dozen advisers, working for months in virtual solitude, set out to identify regulatory and policy changes Obama could implement soon after his inauguration. The team is now consulting with liberal advocacy groups, Capitol Hill staffers and potential agency chiefs to prioritize those they regard as the most onerous or ideologically offensive, said a top transition official who was not permitted to speak on the record about the inner workings of the transition.

These will ostensibly be done by executive order.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Excuse me but you're skewing history and that is frankly unacceptable. Katanga broke off peacefully before violence could spread there and requested the help of Belgian troops to defend themselves from the inevitable attacks from Lumumba's murderous forces. This failed anyway because the UN came along and massacred the Katangese themselves.

No excuses for the UN, please. They did dirty work for the Soviets when they destroyed the movement for democracy in Katanga. The UN has a history of criminal activity in Africa that continues to this day.

Where do you get this from?

The Belgians wanted that separation (although the Belgian government never officially supported the secession). The west supported it because the would be PM was anti-communist.

And the violence didn't "spread there". It started because large parts of Katanga didn't support Tshombé.

This is just one more example of the hypocrisy of the West. They deposed a democratically elected leader because he wasn't pro-Western (remember, not being pro-Western does not mean you are pro-Communism). They also had earlier planned and tried to assassinate that same democratically elected leader. And in the end they were able to witness (and supervise?) his torture and murder.

And based on that I don't really put much stock in your words about the UN involvement. But just for fun... could you provide a link or two?

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious 

Jimmy Carter. He was always destined to follow that path if he got elected..

The funny thing about this poll is that JFK is leading. And despite all your romantic notions of his administration from a historical perspective Kennedy was mediocre at best. So yes, maybe that's the heights Obama will aspire to.

Considering that it's a horrifically loaded poll, JFK is the only positive leader on there, so of course he'd be the leading one.

Frankly, I'm expecting an FDR or Lincoln-esque presidency myself, but since the OP doesn't want honest answers, I haven't even bothered with it.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

Considering that it's a horrifically loaded poll, JFK is the only positive leader on there, so of course he'd be the leading one.

Frankly, I'm expecting an FDR or Lincoln-esque presidency myself, but since the OP doesn't want honest answers, I haven't even bothered with it.

Why is Reagan not positive? JFK has been romanticized over the years. JFK was the one who began the US involvement in Vietnam by sending in "advisors".
JFK's Inaugural Address was as hawkish as one could ever get.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we will pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

Big difference from this

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Why is Reagan not positive?

Trickle-down economics, for one. As my housemate is fond of saying, it's the same as rich folks p***ing on your shoes and telling you it's raining.

And again, it's telling that he didn't include FDR and Lincoln and primarily included 3rd-world dictators. He's not interested in any answers that don't reinforce his own paranoia.