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View Poll Results: Which do you have? (Choose only ONE. Includes stand-alones and game consoles.)
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HD DVD 34 votes (17.09%)
Blu-ray 87 votes (43.72%)
Both 14 votes (7.04%)
Neither 70 votes (35.18%)
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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 139)
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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Dude, that's exactly what I said in my first point

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Actually you said that people were voting on "OWNERSHIP" (your caps), which is quite obviously not the case.

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So what's this new argument about?
     
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Feb 17, 2008, 04:57 PM
 
Doesn't matter - you're wrong and your opinion is baseless.

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Or, it reflects the people who got a PS3 for Xmas.
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Originally Posted by jokell82 View Post
Actually you said that people were voting on "OWNERSHIP" (your caps), which is quite obviously not the case.
That was my SECOND point. Aaargh.

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That was my SECOND point. Aaargh.

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Whatever. The point is that this poll went to hell about a month ago, and was probably never very accurate in the first place. Some of the more vocal supporters in here probably even voted more than once. Trying to extrapolate any kind of point from it is, well, pointless.

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To answer the OPs question, Blu-ray is winning.
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Feb 17, 2008, 05:27 PM
 
Actually what I think happened is people who at first weren't interested in this poll was drawn to it by the media attention around Xmas and because of the way the wind was swinging towards BR with warner they took the time to vote for BR so they would be right.

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I just bought a Toshiba HD-A2 player for the one box set I have that is in HD-DVD. It was on sale at Circuit City for $85 (an open-box display model). Now at least I don't have to worry that I won't be able to view the HD content on my rather expensive box set purchase.

This sucks-the whole market process of people putting their dollars down to vote for which format they prefer has been blown away by a few studios-or more likely execs at those studios who are now "inexplicably richer." Pushing the market decision process this fast is not good for technology or the consumer.

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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Actually what I think happened is people who at first weren't interested in this poll was drawn to it by the media attention around Xmas and because of the way the wind was swinging towards BR with warner they took the time to vote for BR so they would be right.

Either way, who cares.
Exactly.

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To answer the OPs question, Blu-ray is winning.
Oh, thank you. We have been trying to figure that out for the past 138 pages.

Thanks for enlightening us

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Re the discussion that was had on how long it takes for the AppleTV to start a movie...

Movie rentals also work pretty much as demonstrated, though we were surprised to see movies were ready to begin watching after just 2 percent had been downloaded.
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That's what... 5 minutes... 10 at most?
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here we go again...
     
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one request. No more links on articles that the HD DVD plug is going to be pulled unless it an official release from Toshiba
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
here we go again...
What did you expect ?

That after more than 3,450 posts on 138 pages, there would be still something NEW to say ?

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one request. No more links on articles that the HD DVD plug is going to be pulled unless it an official release from Toshiba
What if they never admit defeat ?

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one request. No more links on articles that the HD DVD plug is going to be pulled unless it an official release from Toshiba
So in other words you are tired of all the bad news for HD-DVD? The thread would be empty if we only posted the good news for that format. Look at it this way, Bad news for HD-DVD is good news for Blu.
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Just picked up a Toshiba A20 from NewEgg for $99.99 and several HD-DVDs for $12.20 each (free shipping) from Deepdiscount.com. WooT! Plus, can still get the 5 free HD-DVDs from Toshiba until the end of the month. Gotta love the fire sales....
     
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What did you expect ?

That after more than 3,450 posts on 138 pages, there would be still something NEW to say ?

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Have we talked about which format had prettier boxes yet?
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Blue boxes > red boxes.
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
Just picked up a Toshiba A20 from NewEgg for $99.99 and several HD-DVDs for $12.20 each (free shipping) from Deepdiscount.com. WooT! Plus, can still get the 5 free HD-DVDs from Toshiba until the end of the month. Gotta love the fire sales....
Sweet deal. Good entertainment value.
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So in other words you are tired of all the bad news for HD-DVD? The thread would be empty if we only posted the good news for that format. Look at it this way, Bad news for HD-DVD is good news for Blu.
I think he means we don't need to hear the same story posted 50 times without any official confirmation. I believe it's happening, but I'd really like to see something official and not the same source linked from 20 different blogs.

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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
Just picked up a Toshiba A20 from NewEgg for $99.99 and several HD-DVDs for $12.20 each (free shipping) from Deepdiscount.com. WooT! Plus, can still get the 5 free HD-DVDs from Toshiba until the end of the month. Gotta love the fire sales....
Yeah, I picked one up from NewEgg yesterday as well. Gonna put my A3 back in the box and use the A20 as my primary player.

The DeepDiscount sale is great but I've already grabbed so many titles from Amazon in the past month that I can't justify spending anymore at the moment.

If you're on a roll, feel free to check out Amazon's Buy 2 Get 1 free promo. Should still be going on for a little while longer, and the prices would actually work out to be less than you could get through DeepDiscont.

Amazon.com: HD DVDs 3-for-2

Be sure to go through all the categories and each page. There are many, many titles.
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I was looking forward to the "Godfather, Star Trek, and Indiana Jones" HD DVDs
I'm looking forward to Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica on Blu-ray!

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I just bought a Toshiba HD-A2 player for the one box set I have that is in HD-DVD..... This sucks-the whole market process of people putting their dollars down to vote for which format they prefer has been blown away by a few studios-or more likely execs at those studios who are now "inexplicably richer." Pushing the market decision process this fast is not good for technology or the consumer.
WHAT??? You think receiving one box-set for xmas 2 months ago should have been enough to push 'your' side to victory? You think that the world should drag out this stupid war for a few more years while you decide which of the two basically identical formats your next disc will be in? There was never any meaningful 'choice' or any need for or benefit to the 'war'. The whole competition was a stupid pointless waste of years and money and I say thank god it's over and I can't believe you wish you still had more time to decide which option suited you. Dang.

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The whole competition was a stupid pointless waste of years and money and I say thank god it's over and I can't believe you wish you still had more time to decide which option suited you. Dang.
I dunno, I think there are downsides to this war being over. It was competition, and now there won't be the same level of competition. I'm not sure that the consumer is better off with HD-DVD experiencing a quick death.
     
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I dunno, I think there are downsides to this war being over. It was competition, and now there won't be the same level of competition. I'm not sure that the consumer is better off with HD-DVD experiencing a quick death.
But what did the HD DVD/Blu-Ray competition do for you, the consumer? All this "war" did was to blur lines for many regular people and made their electronics store visits much more complicated.

Whether HD DVD or Blu-Ray is better is immaterial at this particular point in the universal scheme of things. HD DVD is pretty much done as a major player, and only NOW can companies concentrate on making it better and better.
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WHAT??? You think receiving one box-set for xmas 2 months ago should have been enough to push 'your' side to victory? You think that the world should drag out this stupid war for a few more years while you decide which of the two basically identical formats your next disc will be in? There was never any meaningful 'choice' or any need for or benefit to the 'war'.
This is true only if you really, really like Sony and prefer your entertainment systems to be more expensive and more heavily locked down. For those of us who just want to watch a movie at a reasonable price, having HD-DVD around was pretty darn cool. And then there's the fact that Sony is pretty friggin' evil when it comes to consumer rights (anybody remember when they rootkitted all their customers' computers? Ah, good times).
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This is true only if you really, really like Sony and prefer your entertainment systems to be more expensive and more heavily locked down. For those of us who just want to watch a movie at a reasonable price, having HD-DVD around was pretty darn cool. And then there's the fact that Sony is pretty friggin' evil when it comes to consumer rights (anybody remember when they rootkitted all their customers' computers? Ah, good times).
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But what did the HD DVD/Blu-Ray competition do for you, the consumer? All this "war" did was to blur lines for many regular people and made their electronics store visits much more complicated.
It also made prices cheaper. Now that the competition is over, there's much less incentive to reduce prices in order to attract customers to win the war.
     
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Ya. Microsoft is on the consumer side and Toshiba was doing it for the good of the people.
     
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Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
Yeah, I picked one up from NewEgg yesterday as well. Gonna put my A3 back in the box and use the A20 as my primary player.

The DeepDiscount sale is great but I've already grabbed so many titles from Amazon in the past month that I can't justify spending anymore at the moment.

If you're on a roll, feel free to check out Amazon's Buy 2 Get 1 free promo. Should still be going on for a little while longer, and the prices would actually work out to be less than you could get through DeepDiscont.

Amazon.com: HD DVDs 3-for-2

Be sure to go through all the categories and each page. There are many, many titles.
The link you posted to is "Buy 2 Get the 3rd Free" and only has 46 titles to choose from. Unfortunately, most are $19.95 or above, thus negating any substantial savings over the $12.20 titles at Deepdiscount. Their 50% off sale isn't much better IMO as most titles are still $19.95 or above even with the 50% off. $12.20 with free shipping seems a much better deal unless I am missing something.

Deep Discount HD-DVDs sorted lowest to highest:

DeepDiscount.com - HD-DVD

BTW, here's a link to the Toshiba A20 at NewEgg for $99.99. Great deal on a very good 1080p HD-DVD player.

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It also made prices cheaper. Now that the competition is over, there's much less incentive to reduce prices in order to attract customers to win the war.
Not necessarily. Now you'll have companies vying for the consumers' money through improvements in hardware and software offerings. It's the same fight, but now there's only one format to worry about rather than everybody fighting for hardware superiority AND having two formats to create for.
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Not necessarily. Now you'll have companies vying for the consumers' money through improvements in hardware and software offerings. It's the same fight, but now there's only one format to worry about rather than everybody fighting for hardware superiority AND having two formats to create for.
Wow, I always learned that more competition led to lower prices. I guess they have to go back and re-write all the econ texts now. Thanks for the heads-up on this new way of thinking!
     
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Wow, I always learned that more competition led to lower prices. I guess they have to go back and re-write all the econ texts now. Thanks for the heads-up on this new way of thinking!
Wow, if you would have read what I posted, you wouldn't have had to respond like that. I didn't say that the competition was over. I said that it would most likely happen due to hardware and software. There will STILL BE competition, just not directly related to two FORMATS.

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Wow, if you would have read what I posted, you wouldn't have had to be a smartass. I didn't say that the competition was over. I said that it would most likely happen due to hardware and software. There will STILL BE competition, just not directly related to two FORMATS.

Stop whining, I understood exactly what you said, even without the all caps. Of course there will continue to be competition, but to suggest that it will make up for the lost competition from the format war is what elicited the sarcasm.

There are undoubtedly other benefits for the consumer now that things have settled (i.e., less confusion), but there will be less competition, which is not good for prices.
     
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Wow, if you would have read what I posted, you wouldn't have had to respond moronically. I didn't say that the competition was over. I said that it would most likely happen due to hardware and software. There will STILL BE competition, just not directly related to two FORMATS.

All the people saying that the death of HD-DVD will somehow allow Blu-ray to charge whatever it wants aren't thinking this through. As you point out, there will still be competition from different companies selling BR players. And as a matter of fact, there *are* still two competing formats: regular DVD and Blu-ray. BR still has to convince consumers that it's worth buying BR hardware and software.

That said, we probably won't see the kind rock-bottom giveaways that we saw earlier (especially on the HD-DVD side), since they were an attempt to build up a user base even if it meant taking huge losses in the short term.
     
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
Stop whining, I understood exactly what you said, even without the all caps. Of course there will continue to be competition, but to suggest that it will make up for the lost competition from the format war is what elicited the sarcasm.

There are undoubtedly other benefits for the consumer now that things have settled (i.e., less confusion), but there will be less competition, which is not good for prices.
Whining? Where, exactly, did I whine? You obviously didn't pay attention to what I said, or you wouldn't have responded that way.
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The link you posted to is "Buy 2 Get the 3rd Free" and only has 46 titles to choose from. Unfortunately, most are $19.95 or above, thus negating any substantial savings over the $12.20 titles at Deepdiscount. Their 50% off sale isn't much better IMO as most titles are still $19.95 or above even with the 50% off. $12.20 with free shipping seems a much better deal unless I am missing something.

Deep Discount HD-DVDs sorted lowest to highest:

DeepDiscount.com - HD-DVD

BTW, here's a link to the Toshiba A20 at NewEgg for $99.99. Great deal on a very good 1080p HD-DVD player.

Newegg.com - TOSHIBA HD DVD Player HD-A20 - Retail
... Did you actually read my post?

There's a reason I said "Be sure to go through all the categories and each page.", because there's going on 140~ titles and not every one is available on the first page.

The $19.95 titles at Amazon are not the same as the $12.20 titles at DeepDiscount. The ones that are $12.20 at DD are $14.95 at Amazon. The ones that are $18-something at DD are $19.95 at Amazon. There are even a few titles at DD that are more expensive than they are in the Amazon B2G1. All of the above makes the B2G1 a significantly better deal.

I also stated that I purchased the A20 from NewEgg yesterday in the same post. It also sold out this morning.

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The link you posted to is "Buy 2 Get the 3rd Free"...
You say that as if it isn't what I said?
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This is true only if you really, really like Sony and prefer your entertainment systems to be more expensive and more heavily locked down. For those of us who just want to watch a movie at a reasonable price, having HD-DVD around was pretty darn cool. And then there's the fact that Sony is pretty friggin' evil when it comes to consumer rights (anybody remember when they rootkitted all their customers' computers? Ah, good times).
Oh, puh-LEEZE. Everyone focuses on the rootkit issue as if Sony's never done a good thing ever. If I can pop in a disc and it plays, I don't give a rat's ass if it's HD-DVD, BR, Greenie, Purple Pixel Player, or whatever color of the rainbow they want to use.

You all tend to forget what Sony has done in the past.

And no, I'm not a fanboy. I just want ONE FORMAT, but ragging on Sony for one issue seems juvenile and narrow-minded.

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HD-DVD fans are often quick to point out how evil Sony is while conveniently forgetting that Microsoft sits behind HD-DVD and Microsoft makes Sony look like the boy scouts.

I'm not concerned about M$ sitting in a committee, but their technical contribution, HDi

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The equivalent on the BD side is Java based. Sun isn't spawn of Satan as Microsith is, so there is no company with as direct influence over HD-DVD as Microsoft.

I suspect Microsoft's lack of vision killed HD-DVD.
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Any large company suffers from the Hydra problem - one head doesn't know what the other head is doing.

Sony suffers from this with the entertainment head and the computing head.
This is why the computing head makes mp3 players and the entertainment head tried to push ATRAC and DRM. So they made DAP devices that competed against each other for the same customers.

The rootkit nonsense came out of the entertainment heads.

It even suffers from this problem within the computing division. The Sony Mylo device was an interesting one because there were six different teams all working on a mobile internet device that did skype and instant messaging, and they were all working in secrecy. None of them knew that they were competing against other teams within Sony, and so they had duplicated effort, wasted resources, and only one device was announced. And then Sony crippled that device (despite it running Linux). Surprisingly, they think there's enough legs in the concept that they've introduced a Mylo2. I'm unconvinced.

This is Sony. They survive because they're large. They have momentum. They make what would be disastrously stupid decisions for a small organization, but because they have so many different heads, they don't know what anyone else in Sony is doing.

The benefit that the consumer gets out of that is that occasionally some really good things get released because no one is paying attention.
     
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Originally Posted by vmarks View Post
Any large company suffers from the Hydra problem - one head doesn't know what the other head is doing.
Very true.. in Sony's case it is more evident than in many others..

Wired 11.02: The Civil War Inside Sony

As a member of the Consumer Electronics Association, Sony joined the chorus of support for Napster against the legal onslaught from Sony and the other music giants seeking to shut it down. As a member of the RIAA, Sony railed against companies like Sony that manufacture CD burners. And it isn't just through trade associations that Sony is acting out its schizophrenia. Sony shipped a Celine Dion CD with a copy-protection mechanism that kept it from being played on Sony PCs. Sony even joined the music industry's suit against Launch Media, an Internet radio service that was part-owned by - you guessed it - Sony.



They're even suing *themselves* occationally. Hydra indeed.

The benefit that the consumer gets out of that is that occasionally some really good things get released because no one is paying attention.
Hehe very true
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Toshiba Investor Relations : Comment on media reports on HD DVD


The media reported that Toshiba will discontinue its HD DVD business. Toshiba has not made any announcement concerning this. Although Toshiba is currently assessing its business strategies, no decision has been made at this moment.
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Not a very reassuring release. I wonder if they're assessing how to put a Blu-Ray drive in the HD-A3.

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Not a very reassuring release. I wonder if they're assessing how to put a Blu-Ray drive in the HD-A3.
firmware to change the aperture setting
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