[kangoo_boo]

Hi,
i know you all loved that leet kernel panics we had in OSX, that black&white stuff on ours screens (yet i really kinda liked it
well in 10.2 it's gone
just had my 1st kernel panic
Screens fades (you ask yourself wtf ? trojan? lol-) then u are displayed a nice message in a few languages saying a computer malfunction occured, and that you have to push power button.
It doesn't include any informative stuff about the panic :-(
but it's very friendly
altough.. it doesn't really say that it was a panic, it just say a problem

[moki]

The kernel panic technical info is saved in NVRAM and written out to disk when your machine is rebooted (at which time the file system is in a safe state).

Sounds like a good idea -- the average user sees a less threatening message, and technical users can easily access the kernel panic backtraces, etc.

[karbon]

Originally posted by kangoo_boo:
<STRONG>
Screens fades (you ask yourself wtf ? trojan? lol-) then u are displayed a nice message in a few languages saying a computer malfunction occured, and that you have to push power button.
It doesn't include any informative stuff about the panic :-(
but it's very friendly </STRONG>

Actually it just happened to me, and I took a digital photo of it. I have never licked kernel panics before, but I have to admit thisone was nice! Very apple-like! What is even better is that it now created a panic.log in the /Library/Logs/CrashReporter/ folder. (see below) I guess this means no more taking pictures of your monitor with the kernel panic, eh?




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panic(cpu 0): lockmgr: pid 784, thread 0x 1d23490, not exclusive lock holder pid 787 thread 0x 1d23664 unlocking, exclusive count 1
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000844B8 0x00084738 0x00028EA0 0x001D9BB4 0x262F83C8 0x262F819C 0x262F83F4 0x262F8BDC
0x262F7F8C 0x26302348 0x262FA500 0x000BE0F8 0x000BB5E4 0x001E8EF8 0x0020A838 0x00090DB0
0x72000000
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.filesystems.smbfs(1.1)@0x262ea000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x25F36000)
PC=0x900041EC; MSR=0x0200F030; DAR=0x0314E000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x00005FE4; R1=0xBFFFF050; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 6.0:
Wed May 1 01:04:14 PDT 2002; root:xnu/xnu-282.obj~4/RELEASE_PPC

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[ 05-19-2002: Message edited by: karbon ]

[Guy Incognito]

Originally posted by karbon:
<STRONG>

I have never licked kernel panics before...</STRONG>

How did the 10.2 kernel panic taste?

[ 05-19-2002: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
<STRONG>How did the 10.2 kernel panic taste?</STRONG>

&lt;ralph&gt; IT TASTES LIKE BURNING! &lt;/ralph&gt;

[Guy Incognito]

Originally posted by ReggieX:
<STRONG>

&lt;ralph&gt; IT TASTES LIKE BURNING! &lt;/ralph&gt;</STRONG>

Hehe!

[Millennium]

This is a Very Good Thing, if only for one reason. By putting a crash log out to a file, you can copy and paste.

This said, it would be nice to have the option of seeing the information onscreen too.

[CommonSense]

Mac OS X: Our systemwide crashes look better than the other guys' desktops.

Wow . . . never thought I'd have a reason to hope for a kernel panic, but now I do!

[KaptainKaya]

Wow, even the power button is faint on the background. Man it almost makes me want a KP as well!

[MrBS]

So how often are KPs due to the kernel itself? Should apple have a "send kp info" bit toggle whenever there's a kp so you're asked to send the information to apple when you next login? Or would this just flood apple with reports that aren't their software's problem? (not that it would hurt them to pass the message along).
~BS

[jcadam]

I used to get Kernel Panics on my Beige G3. Haven't seen any EVER on my iBook or my B&W G3.

[Big Mac]

The KP is much more friendly now, and the watermark power button is a nice touch. I still think there should be an Aqua style bomb icon in the window, but this is cool.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by Big Mac:
<STRONG>I still think there should be an Aqua style bomb icon in the window, but this is cool.</STRONG>

No no, I hate the bomb icon. It give me nightmare, seriously!

[Marienbad]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<STRONG>

No no, I hate the bomb icon. It give me nightmare, seriously!</STRONG>

And it would be so inappropriate, too, given the relatively friendly screen. Perhaps the bomb symbol could be replaced by a picture of friendly ol' Colonel Panic, the gentlemanly retired soldier.

[IUJHJSDHE]

Ahh man that sucks!

I like the cool lines of text going down the screen, looks more unix/l33t style.

Thow this is probably better for the normal user.

Oh and big mac, I NEVER WAN'T TO SEE A BOMB ERROR AGAIN!!!

I hate those things, they scare me half to death!!

[P]

Originally posted by moki:
<STRONG>The kernel panic technical info is saved in NVRAM and written out to disk when your machine is rebooted (at which time the file system is in a safe state).

Sounds like a good idea -- the average user sees a less threatening message, and technical users can easily access the kernel panic backtraces, etc.</STRONG>

It's a very good idea. I think the OS should present the user with the option of sending that file (along with a System Profiler report and optional user comments) to Apple on the next reboot.

[Guy Incognito]

Originally posted by P:
<STRONG>

It's a very good idea. I think the OS should present the user with the option of sending that file (along with a System Profiler report and optional user comments) to Apple on the next reboot.</STRONG>

That'd be cool...once the computer's rebooted, it should ask whether you want to send the crash log to Apple via Mail.app (or whatever default e-mail client you've chosen).

[ROFL]

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
<STRONG>

That'd be cool...once the computer's rebooted, it should ask whether you want to send the crash log to Apple via Mail.app (or whatever default e-mail client you've chosen).</STRONG>

XP does that when a program crashes. It asks you if you'd like to send an error log to Microshaft. It says that no personal information is collected, but I'm sure a lot of people don't believe that

I usually send 'em though. It would be nice of apple to do the same. It does nothing but make OSX that much better in the future.

[karbon]

Originally posted by ROFL:
<STRONG>

XP does that when a program crashes. It asks you if you'd like to send an error log to Microshaft. It says that no personal information is collected, but I'm sure a lot of people don't believe that

I usually send 'em though. It would be nice of apple to do the same. It does nothing but make OSX that much better in the future.</STRONG>

Although the idea and concept is good, I don't believe Microsoft is hard at work trying to analyze and check all the crash logs it recieves. Imagine just how many they get each and every day! (I've probably sent 50 already)

However, they might have some software that can summarize and compare the crash log, then create a weekly or so report of what kind of things that causes most of the crashes. (for instance if some kind of ATI card is the cause for 10% of all crashes, they know it's serious and that they should fix it)

Also, another problem with kernel panics is that they are often caused by 3rd party developers, something that Apple doesn't have any control over. However, it shouldn't be hard to just route those errors over to the appropriate developer..

[zazou]

Considering the number of those damn messages i get in WinXP MS either ignores them enlarge, has WOPR analyzing their meaning or has a staff of thousands sifting through them.

Whenever they do pop up their are usually 3-6 of them an I frankly don't want the annoyance of the crash.app. I get enough with OW. It is a good idea but would ned a global preference in hw to respond....

Then again, in a year I have had only one kernel panic.... so i guess it doesn't really matter.

[Xeo]

It'd be nice if Apple provided an easy way for developers to include the crash report feedback in their apps. Right now, the only ones I've seen are from the Omni Group. If Apple could make this an easy feature, where all the developer needs to add is the e-mail address and subject the e-mail should have. I mean, under most circumstances, why does an app crash? Because the app itself did something wrong, not the OS. Who would better benefit from the info? Apple or the company?

KPs are another thing, though. Apple should receive those unless of course your PCI ATA card is screwing up your hard drives and the company promises OS X support. Then that company might want to see them.

[Oneota]

Heh...that picture with the power button watermark kinda looks like your computer is flipping you off -- which, I s'pose it kinda is.

[markko]

Nooooooooo i am disperate now!!! i want the old ultra-geek kernel panic screen back!!






[ 05-20-2002: Message edited by: markko ]

[ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: markko ]

[KellyHogan]

Hey, they are taking a page out of Microsoft's book by making a crash look NOT like DOS!

[Simon X]

Originally posted by zazou:
<STRONG>... has WOPR analyzing their meaning...</STRONG>

All those flashing LEDs must do something.

[Spirit_VW]

Originally posted by KellyHogan:
<STRONG>Hey, they are taking a page out of Microsoft's book by making a crash look NOT like DOS!</STRONG>

Exactly, is your window which is liked certain small? you had known
you the point namely in regard to me who do not reach to you!

[Person Man]

Originally posted by Spirit_VW:
<STRONG>

Exactly, is your window which is liked certain small? you had known
you the point namely in regard to me who do not reach to you!</STRONG>

What the heck is that supposed to mean???

[Mac The Fork]

Where is the power key?

Hey, they are taking a page out of Microsoft's book by making a crash look NOT like DOS!

Apple is taking a page out of its own book.

[K++]

Does anyone have a picture of an old school kernel panic? If not could someone use real kernel panics to make a realistic looking screenshot? I wanna use a kernel panic as my desktop picture.

[KellyHogan]

Originally posted by Spirit_VW:
<STRONG>

Exactly, is your window which is liked certain small? you had known
you the point namely in regard to me who do not reach to you!</STRONG>

But success is the name that certainly spells doom to orange folly, fish cakes.

[snomac]

I've gotten a few kernel panics from my Soundsticks and it's kind of intimidating and jarring when KPs pop up. They look way too serious and would scare inexperienced users. This is a great thing, nice of Apple to take care of something small that contributes to the overall user experience.

[eno]

Originally posted by moki:
<STRONG>The kernel panic technical info is saved in NVRAM and written out to disk when your machine is rebooted (at which time the file system is in a safe state).

Sounds like a good idea -- the average user sees a less threatening message, and technical users can easily access the kernel panic backtraces, etc.</STRONG>

What a brilliant idea. Now that's innovation for you. It's almost a shame that we don't see these things too often!

Ah well. It's been a while since I saw the dread black and white modal bomb dialog. Nowadays it's the spinning beach ball I dread -- and it would appear that 10.2 will get rid of that too (well, replace it, at least!)

[Spirit_VW]

Originally posted by KellyHogan:
<STRONG>

But success is the name that certainly spells doom to orange folly, fish cakes.</STRONG>

Therefore in regard to you, therefore in regard to time that with the
mistake, the thing, many subjects namely your junk element clear it
forced and it erupted your special window which either one grasps here
it was not proven.

[Xeo]

Originally posted by K++:
<STRONG>Does anyone have a picture of an old school kernel panic? If not could someone use real kernel panics to make a realistic looking screenshot? I wanna use a kernel panic as my desktop picture.</STRONG>

http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=46&t=006257

[ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: Xeo ]