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Just thought I'd share that fact with you guys.
     
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Nov 14, 2005, 11:24 PM
 
Not only that but the station/network logos in the corner will burn into the screen.

PS...Is your fridge running?

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Nov 14, 2005, 11:28 PM
 
If you watch a Plasma TV then the terrorists win.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 12:33 AM
 
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Seriously, they also produce a huge amount of heat. Abviously a symptom of using so much energy.

Anyone have any hard data? A friend told me that LCD panel TVs use 1/2 the energy of Plasmas and run much cooler. As I am in the market for a TV I would like to know this. I plan on avoiding plasma set.

Oh, and what about front projectors? Anyone have/know anything about their energy usage/heat output?
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 01:01 AM
 
Yes, LCD sets are supposed to use much less than others, and run relatively cooler. DO NOT GET A PLASMA. LCDs are the best on the market, although more expensive.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 01:32 AM
 
I recently got a 32" LCD HDTV and am happy with it. However, if cost, size and weight were not a consideration, I would have gone with plasma. The picture is much better. Didn't know about the energy thing- knew about the heat.

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Nov 15, 2005, 01:59 AM
 
Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded
Just thought I'd share that fact with you guys.
Just wondering, how did they measure that?

Is 3-5 hours of Plasma TV use > 24hrs of your fridge running?
Or is it 24 hrs. of plasma TV energy use > 24 hrs of fridge running energy consumption?

Not doubting your facts, just curious....
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Nov 15, 2005, 02:04 AM
 
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Nov 15, 2005, 02:41 AM
 
Originally Posted by SShoot3r
Yes, LCD sets are supposed to use much less than others, and run relatively cooler. DO NOT GET A PLASMA. LCDs are the best on the market, although more expensive.
LCD is just about the worst technology on the market right now on everything BUT energy use.

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Nov 15, 2005, 02:41 AM
 
Originally Posted by Agasthya
DLP all the way.
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Nov 15, 2005, 02:51 AM
 
(General question to anyone) So if you were to buy a TV to hook up to your Mac, if Front Row ever makes it out to the rest of us Mac users, which is the best TV to hook it up to? Not for anything like Photoshop, but Front Row, surfing the web, games... what would be best?

Plasma, LCD, DLP?
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Nov 15, 2005, 03:03 AM
 
Originally Posted by Agasthya
DLP all the way.
Is DLP the type that makes me see rainbows?

There are a few projectors on the market that are intolerable for me to watch. I am pretty sure they are DLP.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 03:04 AM
 
Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
LCD is just about the worst technology on the market right now on everything BUT energy use.
And amazingly, the worst is not that bad.

Seriously, it depends on the manufacturer. I have seen some horrible picture qaulity plasmas and some outstanding picture quality LCDs. But I have seen the reverse as well obviously. It all depends on the manufacturer.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 04:29 AM
 
I just bought a LCD TV, and am totally happy with it. Excellent picture and uses much less energy than a plasma.

A buddy of mine told me that he doesn't need to use his furnace in the living room when the plasma is running.

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Nov 15, 2005, 08:45 AM
 
But do plasmas use more power than CRTs? Probably not.

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Nov 15, 2005, 08:56 AM
 
I just bought a plazma a month or so ago (42" Sony Wega) and it doesn't seem any hotter than my old CRT. And the picture is unbeliveable! The quality and detail are excellent. No to mention I got it for less than half the original cost, go BJ's!!!

I will have to see if my energy costs go up or not.
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Nov 15, 2005, 09:11 AM
 
DLPs produce the rainbow effect (on TVs and Projectors).

I have 34" CRT HD set, 23" LCD HD set and a LCD HD front projector. My projector produces the most heat (and noise) but it is also over 6 years old. I'd say the CRT is next for heat, and then the LCD.

I will be replacing my current front projector with another LCD projector in the next month or so. So, if anyone wants one, cheap, let me know The bulb is almost out though, probably another 200 hours on it.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 09:34 AM
 
I heard on the radio this morning that if everyone in Massachusetts bought just one of those energy-saving light bulbs, it would save 16.5 million a year in energy.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 10:12 AM
 
Originally Posted by cjrivera
Or is it 24 hrs. of plasma TV energy use > 24 hrs of fridge running energy consumption?
It's in the latest issue of http://www.dwellmag.com/ Dwell magazine.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 10:13 AM
 
Originally Posted by Railroader
And amazingly, the worst is not that bad.

Seriously, it depends on the manufacturer. I have seen some horrible picture qaulity plasmas and some outstanding picture quality LCDs. But I have seen the reverse as well obviously. It all depends on the manufacturer.
Indeed. There are some VERY crappy LCDs out there, there was one I had to use at work that was some no name brand, and it literally had two white 'hot spots' in the middle of the screen about the size of a silver dollar each. Other LCDs, such as Apple's cinema displays, are simply amazing.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 12:38 PM
 
Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded
Indeed. There are some VERY crappy LCDs out there, there was one I had to use at work that was some no name brand, and it literally had two white 'hot spots' in the middle of the screen about the size of a silver dollar each. Other LCDs, such as Apple's cinema displays, are simply amazing.
I am addressing the issue of LCD TVs, not computer screens.
     
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Nov 15, 2005, 01:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by Railroader
And amazingly, the worst is not that bad.

Seriously, it depends on the manufacturer. I have seen some horrible picture qaulity plasmas and some outstanding picture quality LCDs. But I have seen the reverse as well obviously. It all depends on the manufacturer.
Overall they are pretty bad though. Mostly because of the poor black levels.
I have an LCD-RP which overcomes the black level problems as it has a powerful bulb plus an advanced self adjusting iris that limits the amount of light that can come through.

The best looking sets on the market right now is either the LCoS LCD Projectors from Sony or the high end Panasonic or Pioneer Plasmas. No LCD flat panels come close.

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Nov 15, 2005, 01:55 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
The best looking sets on the market right now is either the LCoS LCD Projectors from Sony or the high end Panasonic or Pioneer Plasmas. No LCD flat panels come close.
Yes, but you'd have to go rather high end on the plasmas to get a noticable difference. After comparing the mid-range LCDs with the same level plasma TVs, the LCDs came out on top. Especially in regards to resolution.

Plasmas just burn up way to much energy and have a comperatively short life span. Plus I wasn't gong to spend 5000,- € on a TV.

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Nov 15, 2005, 02:25 PM
 
Just a sideline observation:

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Originally Posted by Warung
Plasmas just burn up way to much energy and have a comperatively short life span. Plus I wasn't gong to spend 5000,- € on a TV.
Short lifespan? They are rated at 60,000 hours!

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Originally Posted by nayr x
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Nov 15, 2005, 02:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
Short lifespan? They are rated at 60,000 hours!
Not the ones I was looking at.

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Nov 15, 2005, 03:16 PM
 
Originally Posted by Warung
Not the ones I was looking at.
They should all be rated at that unless they are ultra no-name ghetto.

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Originally Posted by nayr x
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That's nuthin'.

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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
That's nuthin'.

The mods pointed out several times that zimphire had over 119 posts a DAY on over 3 separate occasions.
SWF is that you?

3 seperate occasions? You sure about that? (I'll take your word for it being that you have a database set up on me to keep track)

I have NEVER had my post count go above what Rob's is now however

The occasions you were referring to also was when I was actually making one of the first OS X themes and released it.

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Originally Posted by residentEvil
DLPs produce the rainbow effect (on TVs and Projectors).
Correction: single-chip DLP can produce rainbow effects. (They have been increasing the frame rate to reduce this effect.)

Three-chip DLP has absolutely no rainbow effects.

Besides, most people are not sensitive to the rainbow effect. Both single- and three-chip DLP produce nice images.

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Nov 15, 2005, 05:06 PM
 
Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded
Plasma TVs use more energy than your fridge
Just thought I'd share that fact with you guys.
Isn't this like saying that your bathtub uses more water than your dishwasher? It's comparing apples and siamese cats. I've never seen anyone sit down and watch the refrigerator, and I've never seen anyone try to store food inside their plasma TV. If you have, I pity you!

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Originally Posted by tooki
Correction: single-chip DLP can produce rainbow effects. (They have been increasing the frame rate to reduce this effect.)

Three-chip DLP has absolutely no rainbow effects.

Besides, most people are not sensitive to the rainbow effect. Both single- and three-chip DLP produce nice images.

tooki
That is sorta pointless to mention as there are no affordable 3chip DLP sets. Actually ZERO as far as I know.

Also I took a poll with DLP users and 60% of all owners said they saw rainbows.

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Originally Posted by tooki
Isn't this like saying that your bathtub uses more water than your dishwasher? It's comparing apples and siamese cats. I've never seen anyone sit down and watch the refrigerator, and I've never seen anyone try to store food inside their plasma TV. If you have, I pity you!

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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
That is sorta pointless to mention as there are no affordable 3chip DLP sets. Actually ZERO as far as I know.

Also I took a poll with DLP users and 60% of all owners said they saw rainbows.
You made a blanket statement (that DLP causes rainbow effects) that is false. I just pointed this out.

As for a poll: remember from statistics 101: any voluntary response poll will be biased, and generally skewed towards those who have complaints. (Happy users tend to not bother to respond.) I'd say that for a voluntary response poll, a 60/40 split is probably within such a large margin of error as to be statistically insignificant.

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Nov 15, 2005, 05:19 PM
 
Originally Posted by tooki
You made a blanket statement (that DLP causes rainbow effects) that is false. I just pointed this out.
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I did? Where?

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Er, sorry, my bad, it was residentEvil who made the blanket statement. Mea culpa. (Usually it is the person I responded to barking back when I call them on an error, not someone else!)

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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
Short lifespan? They are rated at 60,000 hours!
I read that the brightness goes down quite fast though... it still WORKS at 30,000 hours but it won't be near what it was like when it was new.
     
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Originally Posted by tooki
Isn't this like saying that your bathtub uses more water than your dishwasher? It's comparing apples and siamese cats. I've never seen anyone sit down and watch the refrigerator, and I've never seen anyone try to store food inside their plasma TV. If you have, I pity you!

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No, it's pointing out how atrociously inefficient plasma TVs are. A better comparison would be a maytag dishwasher uses more water than 18 bathtubs, but most dishwashers use less than one.
     
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Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded
I read that the brightness goes down quite fast though... it still WORKS at 30,000 hours but it won't be near what it was like when it was new.
I agree.

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If a plasma TV is indeed heating up a gas to a sufficient temperature that it becomes a plasma, as its name suggests, then I would not be surprised if it were using a lot of energy (and generating a lot of heat!).

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Originally Posted by tooki
Er, sorry, my bad, it was residentEvil who made the blanket statement. Mea culpa. (Usually it is the person I responded to barking back when I call them on an error, not someone else!)

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While you are correct, the consumer will only see single chip DLPs for the near future, so why confuse the matter even more for someone looking at DLP? For right now, the statement DLP tvs and projectors cause the rainbow effect is a true statement.
     
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Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded
It's in the latest issue of http://www.dwellmag.com/ Dwell magazine.
I couldn't find the article with their search.

Can you give us a short recap of what it says?
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Originally Posted by cjrivera
I couldn't find the article with their search.

Can you give us a short recap of what it says?
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The heat generating issue with plasma TVs can be solved by placing the TVs in the fridge. This will also solve the problem with the plasma TVs using more power than the fridge, because the fridge now will require more power to stay as cool.

There. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by CharlesS
If a plasma TV is indeed heating up a gas to a sufficient temperature that it becomes a plasma, as its name suggests, then I would not be surprised if it were using a lot of energy (and generating a lot of heat!).
They don't. It's plasma of the same general type as in those plasma balls they sell at Spencer's.

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Originally Posted by residentEvil
While you are correct, the consumer will only see single chip DLPs for the near future, so why confuse the matter even more for someone looking at DLP? For right now, the statement DLP tvs and projectors cause the rainbow effect is a true statement.
Why "confuse" the issue? Because what you said is not true. Single-chip DLP -- and ONLY single-chip DLP -- has the potential for rainbow effect (which many people do not see). Whether or not three-chip DLP is common does not change this fact.

Besides, what is "consumer" any more? The amount of money people have been willing to spend on TVs has skyrocketed as of late, much blurring the line between consumer and prosumer/videophile.

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Dudes, if you have the kind of cash to be buying a PLASMA TV, THEN DO YOU REALLYCARE ABOUT YOUR ELECTRIC BILL?
     
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Originally Posted by tooki
They don't. It's plasma of the same general type as in those plasma balls they sell at Spencer's.

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Huh? So what do they put in the things, blood plasma? Because that's the only other type of plasma I'm familiar with.

Okay, I just did a Google search. Here's what I came up with:

Originally Posted by http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/bigfaq.html
What is the plasma in plasma tvs?
An electrically neutral, highly ionized substance composed of ions, electrons, and neutral particles. Plasma contains almost equal numbers of free electrons and positive ions. In a plasma the electrons have been stripped away from the central nucleus. Therefore, a plasma consists of a sea of ions and electrons and is a very good conductor of electricity and is affected by magnetic fields. Electrons are separated from their respective nucleus when enough heat is applied.
So it seems that gas is indeed being heated enough that it becomes a plasma.

Although I do have this amusing picture in my head now of the Red Cross or whoever taking all that blood plasma from donors and selling it to TV manufacturers...

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