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gorgonzola · Jun 21, 2002, 02:46 PM

I've disabled the ads on forums for today. Please let me know if you experience any hangs or crashes on the forums so that we can narrow our search down and pinpoint the problem. Thanks for your help.

scaught · Jun 21, 2002, 10:36 PM

ive been doing a good bit of surfing the fora for the past half hour or so and havent had a single crash. i should have had at least 3 by now i figure...

misc · Jun 21, 2002, 10:38 PM

It's all good over my way also!

reader50 · Jun 22, 2002, 02:46 AM

I do not use IE, but got curious enough about the mysterious IE-MacNN crash bug to investigate. In the Forum's html, I did spot some oddness in the tags, extra slashes:

<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/reader50/.Pictures/ForumPosts/forumtags.png" target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/reader50/.Pictures/ForumPosts/forumtags.png</a>

[gzl: edited out img, was making table super-wide]

[ 06-22-2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: gorgonzola ]

tinrib · Jun 22, 2002, 03:09 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by reader50:
I do not use IE, but got curious enough about the mysterious IE-MacNN crash bug to investigate. In the Forum's html, I did spot some oddness in the tags, extra slashes:

[URL=http://homepage.mac.com/reader50/.Pictures/ForumPosts/forumtags.png<hr /></blockquote>Nothing wrong with that...

<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#guidelines" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#guidelines</a>

[edit: although the doctype should be included, e.g. <blockquote>code:<hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"><?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-20000126/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"></pre><hr /></blockquote>[gzl: ditto above; img->url]

[ 06-22-2002, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: gorgonzola ]

gorgonzola · Jun 22, 2002, 12:31 PM

OK, I've enabled the ads, but without JavaScript (as of 12:30 PM EST). Please let me know (after some significant time browsing with IE) if you experience any crashes with the ads like this to further pinpoint the location of the problem. End of the day today or tomorrow morning would be good.

Thanks.

rjenkinson · Jun 22, 2002, 01:24 PM

internet explorer just froze on me... and i noticed the ads are back.

-r.

Sealobo · Jun 22, 2002, 02:29 PM

just crashed. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

T Allen · Jun 23, 2002, 04:38 AM

It just hung me up. IE 5

AKcrab · Jun 23, 2002, 05:58 AM

Maybe you should put up a banner "Best viewed with anything but IE".
I love Mozilla.

scaught · Jun 23, 2002, 11:07 AM

ive been posting a bit in the lounge just now and havent had a freezeup. ?

Ric_D · Jun 23, 2002, 11:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gorgonzola:
I've disabled the ads on forums for today. Please let me know if you experience any hangs or crashes on the forums so that we can narrow our search down and pinpoint the problem. Thanks for your help.<hr /></blockquote>I froze up at 11:20 am, 23-June. The message in my status bar read "Receiving image (0 bytes of 127 bytes, 0 bytes/sec): yellowstar.gif". I was trying to enter the Microsoft Office forum. I'm using IE 5.2, OS X 10.1.5.

Ric

Ric_D · Jun 23, 2002, 01:35 PM

For what it's worth, I just froze again while trying to access this forum.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ric_D:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gorgonzola:
I've disabled the ads on forums for today. Please let me know if you experience any hangs or crashes on the forums so that we can narrow our search down and pinpoint the problem. Thanks for your help.<hr /></blockquote>I froze up at 11:20 am, 23-June. The message in my status bar read "Receiving image (0 bytes of 127 bytes, 0 bytes/sec): yellowstar.gif". I was trying to enter the Microsoft Office forum. I'm using IE 5.2, OS X 10.1.5.

Ric<hr /></blockquote>

malson · Jun 23, 2002, 04:29 PM

I got a freeze viewing a thread in the Lounge at 16:25 06/23/02. Using IE 5.2. The problems continue... <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

starfleetX · Jun 24, 2002, 02:59 AM

Wait... wait... people still use Internet Explorer?

Sealobo · Jun 24, 2002, 07:06 AM

IE screwed up again @ 07:06 Monday 24 June 2002

(posting using OW) <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

gorgonzola · Jun 25, 2002, 02:04 PM

OK. Does the ad get a chance to render, or does it hang before that? It may be a problem of corrupted images (weird, but possible...), and if a lot of people are hanging on the same image, that could be a possibility. Information on which ad it's loading when the page hangs would be very useful.

BTW, the reason I'm asking for all this information is that by some freak chance, none of us have experienced any hangs in IE whatsoever. Not denying that it happens, but certainly making it way harder to track down the cause of the problem.

Thanks for your help.

malson · Jun 25, 2002, 02:10 PM

Gzl: every time it locks up for me, I get the beachball of death before anything loads on the page at all. The progress bar always shows the name of an image loading. It's different each time though. Sometimes it's yellowstars.gif. Sometimes it is someone's signature. So, it sounds more like an image corruption problem. Good luck tracking it down. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Timo · Jun 25, 2002, 02:57 PM

I get lock-ups before an image (gif) loads as well.

Doesn't happen in 9 / IE. 5.1.4.

agentz · Jun 25, 2002, 04:20 PM

Haven't had any of the freezes today (so far) - did get one yesteday where it seemed to hang on loading bluestar.gif - it had loaded some of the other stuff on the page but hadn't rendered it.

Don't know if this is just a coincidence or not though - twice this evening I've been in The Lounge and clicked refresh and IE has just plain and simple bailed on me "The application Internet Explorer has unexpectedly quit" or something similar.

iBook, Mac OSX 10.1.5, IE 5.1.4

MikeM32 · Jun 28, 2002, 01:46 AM

Constant and consistent freezes here for ages now under OS 9 and I.E. 5. I'm on the verge of switching to a different browser, but this is the only place it happens. I have to force quit I.E. continnually during any prolonged sessions here on MacNN.

So what's up? Has anyone been able to trace the problem yet?

Mike

Cipher13 · Jun 29, 2002, 02:48 AM

I've not had a single hang caused by MacNN under IE5 on OS9, nor OSX.

Additionally, I've used:

IE5 on 8.6
IE4.5 on 8.6
Chimera on X
Mozilla on X
IE5 on X
Communicator 4.5 on 9
Communicator 4.5 on X via Classic
IE5 on Win98

No crashes on any of them...

[ 06-29-2002, 02:50 AM: Message edited by: Cipher13 ]

cheerios · Jun 29, 2002, 04:16 AM

to add to Cipher, there, I'm using IE in windows, and have had no probs. win2K, IE 6.0

digimage · Jul 2, 2002, 11:26 AM

My IE 5 or OSX crashes when attempting to load
"a.tribalfusion.com".

Does it everytime.

philzilla · Jul 2, 2002, 11:39 AM

hmm. the last time it hung on me (a few days ago), this seemed to be the offender:

<img src="http://www.freakindesign.com/images/albert.gif" alt=" - " />

albert? care to discuss?

gorgonzola · Jul 2, 2002, 12:41 PM

No, it's not those images, it hangs on different images each time -- those just happen to be what's in the statusbar, and not what it's actually hanging on.

I've changed something else in the ad code today, please let me know if you experience any crashes/hangs/etc.

thanks

Ric_D · Jul 3, 2002, 01:35 PM

I just froze in the 'Multimedia, DV, & Audio' forum (IE 5.2, OS X 10.1.5)...

Ric

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gorgonzola:
No, it's not those images, it hangs on different images each time -- those just happen to be what's in the statusbar, and not what it's actually hanging on.

I've changed something else in the ad code today, please let me know if you experience any crashes/hangs/etc.

thanks<hr /></blockquote>

gorgonzola · Jul 4, 2002, 06:25 PM

OK, let's try one more thing. If you're using Browser Cache on Internet Explorer, disable it. Clear the cache and set the size to 0 MB. Then browse MacNN for a little while and let me know if it crashes.

Someone suggested on IRC that IE's problems isn't with anything specific on the site, but rather with a more general issue with cached images, and since a lot of people read MacNN throughout the day, the cached image problem shows up a lot more frequently here. It's certainly consistent with my experience, since I don't use browser cache, and I haven't experienced any crashes at all, so I think it's worth trying.

So try that out, browse around for a few hours, and let me know how it went.

Thanks.

ForceQuit · Jul 7, 2002, 03:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gorgonzola:
OK, let's try one more thing. If you're using Browser Cache on Internet Explorer, disable it. Clear the cache and set the size to 0 MB. Then browse MacNN for a little while and let me know if it crashes.

Someone suggested on IRC that IE's problems isn't with anything specific on the site, but rather with a more general issue with cached images, and since a lot of people read MacNN throughout the day, the cached image problem shows up a lot more frequently here. It's certainly consistent with my experience, since I don't use browser cache, and I haven't experienced any crashes at all, so I think it's worth trying.

So try that out, browse around for a few hours, and let me know how it went.

Thanks.<hr /></blockquote>The cache trick seems to work.

I have noticed that quite often one or more graphics in the bottom row of the table containing the navigation tab table and the lower half of the masthead (fellow web designers you know what I mean) fails to load (most often "log-news-bot.gif" or one of the tab graphics). This happened before and continues to happen now. Related? I don't know.

[ 07-07-2002, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: ForceQuit ]