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aberdeenwriter · Feb 7, 2009, 07:12 AM

POPULAR Musician Who's Done Most to Depopularize Religion?

Could it be John Lennon?

From, "Imagine"

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Or is it David Bowie?

From, "Modern Love"

Never gonna fall for
Modern love - walks beside me
Modern love - walks on by
Modern love - gets me to the church on time
Church on time - terrifies me
Church on time - makes me party
Church on time - puts my trust in God and man
God and man - no confessions
God and man - no religion
God and man - dont believe in modern love

This is a thread about anti-religion music and POPULAR musicians NOT about religion and not about Satanic, cult, fringe music and musicians.

The thread will be sent to the PL if you start discussing religion. If that is your desire then start your own PL thread already.

The question here is who is partly to blame/credit for the depopularization of religion in musical culture.

Please cite specifics.

waxcrash · Feb 7, 2009, 08:32 AM

I remember when Madonna's Like A Prayer video came out showing her develop stigmata and had burning crosses, which got a lot of Christians up in arms.

And Marlyn Manson's Antichrist Superstar pissed of the Christians too.

Or Sinead O'Conner when she was on Saturday Night Live when she tore up the photo of the pope.

d4nth3m4n · 11:45 AM

you xxxxxxx troll. at least get this xxxxx in the poli/war.

Chongo · 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by d4nth3m4n

you xxxxxxx troll. at least get this xxxxx in the poli/war.

I believe the OP is Banned from the P/W lounge

ghporter · Feb 7, 2009, 11:45 AM

Lennon said only "imagine" and listed things to imagine about. Bowie, as far as I could tell, was talking about MARRIAGE, not religion. Context is crucial. Neither of the two songs listed is "against" religion, though lots of people thought "Imagine" was-they too didn't bother to listen carefully and actually understand the lyrics.

Oh, and when John said at one point that the Beatles were "more popular than" Christ, there certainly weren't crowds of tens of thousands of people mobbing churches; he was accurate in describing the cult following (mostly of young girls) that the Beatles had attracted. Whether or not he meant something different is something that I don't think we can honestly discuss.

turtle777 · Feb 7, 2009, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Chongo

I believe the OP is Banned from the P/W lounge

Isn't that grounds for at least an infractions ?

He purposely posted a PWL thread in the Lounge, because he's banned from the PWL.
Mods, please get in on that action.

-t

Thorzdad · Feb 7, 2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by ghporter

...Oh, and when John said at one point that the Beatles were "more popular than" Christ, there certainly weren't crowds of tens of thousands of people mobbing churches; he was accurate in describing the cult following (mostly of young girls) that the Beatles had attracted. Whether or not he meant something different is something that I don't think we can honestly discuss.

If you listen to the interview in which John made that famous "more popular than" comment, it's quire obvious that he was he was not bragging about the adulation the Beatles were experiencing. It was more of a comment as to how mixed-up the popular culture was. How out-of-whack people's priorities were. It was more of a criticism than anything else.

Wiskedjak · Feb 7, 2009, 12:01 PM

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Wiskedjak · Feb 7, 2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

POPULAR Musician Who's Done Most to Depopularize Religion?

This is a thread about anti-religion music and POPULAR musicians NOT about religion and not about Satanic, cult, fringe music and musicians.

The thread will be sent to the PL if you start discussing religion. If that is your desire then start your own PL thread already.

The question here is who is partly to blame/credit for the depopularization of religion in musical culture.

Please cite specifics.

But, *you* are discussing religion.

ghporter · Feb 7, 2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Thorzdad

If you listen to the interview in which John made that famous "more popular than" comment, it's quire obvious that he was he was not bragging about the adulation the Beatles were experiencing. It was more of a comment as to how mixed-up the popular culture was. How out-of-whack people's priorities were. It was more of a criticism than anything else.

Yes, it definitely went WAY beyond just the Beatles. I just used the comparison I did as an illustration. The Stones, even Herman's Hermits had that sort of reaction from girls all over the world, (and some boys), while at that time conventional religious observance was undergoing a major change. Again, John was accurate, and while I think he came off as a bit amused by the whole thing, that doesn't change how accurate he was.

BlueSky · Feb 7, 2009, 01:27 PM

The first time I saw Amy Winehouse I knew there was no god.

Chongo · Feb 7, 2009, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

The first time I saw Amy Winehouse I knew there was no god.

What happened? She went from Winehouse to CrackHOuse.

d4nth3m4n · Feb 7, 2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Isn't that grounds for at least an infractions ?

He purposely posted a PWL thread in the Lounge, because he's banned from the PWL.
Mods, please get in on that action.

-t

if i got one for swearing and provoking a troll, i hope he got one. oh and nice job removing my "offensive language" from the post that quoted me there, mods.

Cipher13 · Feb 7, 2009, 05:46 PM

Born (The Retribution of Spiritual Sickness) by Nevermore

Religion changed the face of man, thou shalt not kill, we all are gone
The seed of ignorance is born thou shalt not think, thou shalt conform

The pigs order us to follow orders and obey
The flies drink the decaying nectar of their tortured effigy

Cling to wasted beliefs and visions and bathe in apathy again
No solution, the retribution of spiritual sickness begins

The legacy of suffering is through, the guilt we bear shall not tear us in two

Born we are the same, within the silence, indifference be thy name
Torn we walk alone, we sleep in silent shades
The grandeur fades, the meaning never known

If nothing in the world can change our children will inherit nothing

Born we are the same, within the silence, indifference be thy name
Torn we walk alone, we sleep in silent shades
The grandeur fades, the meaning never known

The pigs call for pure submission and fall into the fray
The lonely hunter beats his shallow drum, the soundtrack of world disarray

Cling to wasted beliefs and visions and bathe in apathy again
No solution, the retribution of spiritual sickness begins

Born we are the same, within the silence, indifference be thy name
Torn we walk alone, we sleep in silent shades
The grandeur fades, the meaning never known

If nothing in the world can change our children will inherit nothing

(Lyrics copied and pasted from darklyrics.com so I'm sure there are some mistakes).

andi*pandi · Feb 7, 2009, 05:55 PM

well, there is the band Bad Religion.

And I'm sure NIN haven't any love for church: "god is dead, and no one cares"

sek929 · Feb 7, 2009, 07:56 PM

If there is a hell, I'll see you there.

Tool - Opiate

Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow
what you need is someone strong to guide you

However, Tool is a very spiritual band, but I have a sneaking suspicion they don't respect any major organized religion.

Shaddim · Feb 7, 2009, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Chongo

What happened? She went from Winehouse to CrackHOuse.

I don't know Chongo, Meth's a hell of a drug.

Shaddim · Feb 7, 2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by sek929

If there is a hell, I'll see you there.

Tool - Opiate

Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow
what you need is someone strong to guide you

However, Tool is a very spiritual band, but I have a sneaking suspicion they don't respect any major organized religion.

You would be 100% correct, Maynard has zero respect for most organized religions. OTOH, he's never met a magical system he didn't like.

My vote is for Elton John.

ghporter · Feb 7, 2009, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by d4nth3m4n

if i got one for swearing and provoking a troll, i hope he got one. oh and nice job removing my "offensive language" from the post that quoted me there, mods.

You do know that NOBODY but you and the staff can see your infractions, right? Thanks for sharing, but let me make this clear to everyone: ONLY THE AFFECTED MEMBER AND THE STAFF CAN SEE THAT MEMBER'S INFRACTIONS. So do not assume anything from not seeing something obvious in the thread...

Oh, and this sort of discussion is off topic. Please keep to the subject, at least somewhat, and do NOT go off on tangents about who should be enforcing the rules on whom (which is WAY off topic).

d4nth3m4n · Feb 8, 2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by ghporter

You do know that NOBODY but you and the staff can see your infractions, right? Thanks for sharing, but let me make this clear to everyone: ONLY THE AFFECTED MEMBER AND THE STAFF CAN SEE THAT MEMBER'S INFRACTIONS. So do not assume anything from not seeing something obvious in the thread...

Oh, and this sort of discussion is off topic. Please keep to the subject, at least somewhat, and do NOT go off on tangents about who should be enforcing the rules on whom (which is WAY off topic).

i'm just saying that if you're going to go to such lengths to censor me, you want to consider editing the post RIGHT BELOW MINE that quoted my original post. without editing that one as well you come off looking like a power hungry mod out to simply make your presence felt.

on topic: i was going to say john lennon as soon as i saw the thread title.

The Godfather · Feb 8, 2009, 12:42 PM

I wonder if de-evangelizing music pieces are done in response to the untapped anti-religious music market, or from a composer's true calling to de-evangelize. My wonder comes from the fact that these "popular musicians" get on the "done the most" list, and we can only quote one verse of one song to prove their worthiness.

turtle777 · Feb 8, 2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by d4nth3m4n

you xxxxxxx troll. at least get this xxxxx in the poli/war.

(Last edited by ghporter; Yesterday at 04:45 PM. (Reason:The cuss filter wasn't aggressive enough for my tastes.))

And right below:

Originally Posted by Chongo

Originally Posted by d4nth3m4n

you xxxxxxx troll. at least get this xxxxx in the poli/war.

Censor Fail

-t

ghporter · Feb 8, 2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Censor Fail

-t

No, frazzled admin fail. My bad, and I will fix it now.

olePigeon · Feb 13, 2009, 03:02 PM

Sinead O'Conner is deeply religious. She was protesting the Catholic Church practically condoning child molestation by not taking any action. This was before all the big news stories broke out in America and started national headlines. Bunch of old, horny guys who can't have sex and can't get married. Look what happens.

sek929 · Feb 13, 2009, 06:19 PM

I'm gonna agree with you there, olePigeon, forcing a man to suppress sexual desire for his entire life is unnatural and unhealthy.