[ghost_flash]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Polit..._040425-1.html


I still think he's grand. VOTE KERRY!

[dcolton]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Polit..._040425-1.html


I still think he's grand. VOTE KERRY!

I watched it this morning. It amazes me how people can try to spin the truth when there is so much 'evidence' against them. Kerry looked bad...very bad and the true content of his character is slowly being revealed.

After today, I am less concerned about Pres Bush losing the election.

[Dakar]

It's after seeing **** like this that I wanna go grab a tinfoil hat and claim the Skulls set-up Kerry to take the fall for Bush.

It's hard to believe anyone lacks this amount of forethought.

[Zimphire]

Indeed. Kerry lives in two words.

[Spliffdaddy]

Bush lied tho.

[ghost_flash]

"Two words"?

Purple Heart?
I'm Out?
Rich Women?


How about a few words?

"Do you know who I am?" < Constantly uttered phrase by Kerry when he wants special treatment... anywhere.


I know you meant two worlds, but this was a great setup.

Thanks.

[stupendousman]

In politics, you've either got to be honest, or a good liar.

Bush avoids lying by not saying much. Bill Clinton was a good liar. John Kerry is not.

It's ALGORE2000 all over again

[MacGorilla]

Further proof of what I always say: Always assume a politician is lying, because they wil to get what they want. Lie, spin, dodge and shift blame, its same of democrats or republicans.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:

I still think he's grand. VOTE KERRY!

all politicians lie...it's the nature of the beast. get over it.

bush just isn't very good at telling his whoppers...even when he believes them.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by stupendousman:
In politics, you've either got to be honest, or a good liar.

Bush avoids lying by not saying much. Bill Clinton was a good liar. John Kerry is not.

It's ALGORE2000 all over again

I don't think Clinton was that good of a liar. He WAS Charismatic. Clinton could stick his thumb out and bite his bottom lip all day. You could tell he was lying.

[Hawkeye_a]

hahaha Kerry's lies didnt....

-ignore terrorist threats
-lead a country to invade 2 other nations

This might just be me, but i think Bush's lies are a tab bit worse than Kerry's lies. just me though.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
hahaha Kerry's lies didnt....

-ignore terrorist threats
-lead a country to invade 2 other nations

This might just be me, but i think Bush's lies are a tab bit worse than Kerry's lies. just me though.

Buzzer: Wrong


Who ignored the terrorist threats? Clinton.... Kerry?...

Edit:

Oh forgot. hahahahaha.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
hahaha Kerry's lies didnt....

-ignore terrorist threats

Which he did not do.

-lead a country to invade 2 other nations

Which wasn't a lie.

This might just be me, but i think Bush's lies are a tab bit worse than Kerry's lies. just me though.

No, your delusions are worse than Kerry's lies.

[voodoo]

"John Kerry threw his ribbons and the medals of two veterans who could not attend the event, and said, 'I am not doing this for any violent reasons, but for peace and justice, and to try to make this country wake up once and for all.'"

And?

I'm waiting for something juicy. Controversial. Anything.

Looks like Kerry protested in a way he was comfortable with. He decided to keep *his* medals for personal reasons but the meaning is clear enough. He wasn't running for president or congress at the time so he wasn't under any silly scrutiny. He was making a point. for that!

Kerry is cool.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by Zimphire:


No, your delusions are worse than Kerry's lies.

you know for a religious christian guy (or maybe jewish) you seem very cruel.

not just with this comment but in general. every post seems to have some kind of dark and scary underpinning...

like some one pulling legs off a fly...

like i said scary.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by quandarry:
you know for a religious christian guy (or maybe jewish) you seem very cruel.

not just with this comment but in general. every post seems to have some kind of dark and scary underpinning...

like some one pulling legs off a fly...

like i said scary.

He's right. You are deluded.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Kerry is cool.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by voodoo:
"John Kerry threw his ribbons and the medals of two veterans who could not attend the event, and said, 'I am not doing this for any violent reasons, but for peace and justice, and to try to make this country wake up once and for all.'"

And?

I'm waiting for something juicy. Controversial. Anything.

Looks like Kerry protested in a way he was comfortable with. He decided to keep *his* medals for personal reasons but the meaning is clear enough. He wasn't running for president or congress at the time so he wasn't under any silly scrutiny. He was making a point. for that!

Kerry is cool.

My issue with Mr. Kerry, isn't because of his past actions per se, but because his stances are contradictory at best. If he were consistent, I guess I would have more respect. But now that he's running for President, he has made an issue of being a veteran. Doesn't really make sense to me that he is advertised as a decorated veteran (he is), but then he threw away those very medals (or more exactly ribbons) . Just doesn't make sense to me. Stay by your ideals, Mr. Kerry.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
He's right. You are deluded.

I wasn 't calling him that. But you are right in this case too.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
He's right. You are deluded.

you are right there with zimph in the scary department.

are you guys related.

de�lude __ _P___Pronunciation Key__(d-ld)
tr.v. de�lud�ed, de�lud�ing, de�ludes
To deceive the mind or judgment of: fraudulent ads that delude consumers into sending in money. See Synonyms at deceive.

Obsolete. To elude or evade.

Obsolete. To frustrate the hopes

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Karl Snyder:
My issue with Mr. Kerry, isn't because of his past actions per se, but because his stances are contradictory at best. If he were consistent, I guess I would have more respect. But now that he's running for President, he has made an issue of being a veteran. Doesn't really make sense to me that he is advertised as a decorated veteran (he is), but then he threw away those very medals (or more exactly ribbons) . Just doesn't make sense to me. Stay by your ideals, Mr. Kerry.

Protesting the Vietnam war and at the same time have a sense of pride over your part of it isn't contradictory in my mind. Taking part of a war (no matter how wrong it is) where you save the lives of the men under your command is always something to be proud of.

Being a Vietnam veteran with a conscience isn't a simple thing I imagine.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by quandarry:
you know for a religious christian guy (or maybe jewish) you seem very cruel.

not just with this comment but in general. every post seems to have some kind of dark and scary underpinning...

like some one pulling legs off a fly...

like i said scary.

Good call. Couldn't have described it better myself.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by quandarry:


de�lude __ _P___Pronunciation Key__(d-ld)
tr.v. de�lud�ed, de�lud�ing, de�ludes
To deceive the mind or judgment of: fraudulent ads that delude consumers into sending in money. See Synonyms at deceive.

Obsolete. To elude or evade.

Obsolete. To frustrate the hopes

And that describes the Kerry apologists to a T.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by quandarry:
you know for a religious christian guy (or maybe jewish) you seem very cruel.

not just with this comment but in general. every post seems to have some kind of dark and scary underpinning...

like some one pulling legs off a fly...

like i said scary.

Save the Drama for your Momma. That top doesn't spin.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Save the Drama for your Momma. That top doesn't spin.

i buried my mother 2 weeks ago this wednesday so i'll save it for you.

[stupendousman]

Originally posted by quandarry:
:all politicians lie...it's the nature of the beast. get over it.

Oh...I'm over it.

My point is that, in order to survive as a politician, you not only have to lie...you have to do it well. Kerry is incapable of keeping his stories straight. If you are going to lie, you at least have to provide some sort of plausible deniability for your untruth. Simply refuting that you ever said the lie in the first place when it's clearly on the record won't help you. You've not only lied..but you've painted yourself into a corner as a liar.

Clinton lied so often, but did it so well, that people excused him for it. They won't excuse lies from guys who do it as poorly as Kerry. It makes them look like saps.

[BRussell]

I didn't see this on the TeeVee but just reading about it, his statements are definitely fishy. I'm sure he has tried to, uh, "nuance" his stories over the past several decades to mitigate what happened. Would it make me vote against him if I otherwise agreed with his policies over Bush? Please. You'd have to be a swing voter* for something like this to actually affect your vote.

* Yes, 'swing voter' is an insult.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by BRussell:
I didn't see this on the TeeVee but just reading about it, his statements are definitely fishy. I'm sure he has tried to, uh, "nuance" his stories over the past several decades to mitigate what happened. Would it make me vote against him if I otherwise agreed with his policies over Bush? Please. You'd have to be a swing voter* for something like this to actually affect your vote.

* Yes, 'swing voter' is an insult.

What if you're just a swingin' voter?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Being a Vietnam veteran with a conscience isn't a simple thing I imagine.

It's not simple, but it is pretty common. As in, it represents almost every Vietnam vet I know.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by zigzag:
What if you're just a swingin' voter?

or a voter who's a swinger?

[itai195]

Originally posted by quandarry:
you know for a religious christian guy (or maybe jewish) you seem very cruel.

not just with this comment but in general. every post seems to have some kind of dark and scary underpinning...

like some one pulling legs off a fly...

like i said scary.

That's because he's a robot. The state of the art ZimphBot 3000. You may have noticed he was recently gone for a couple weeks, that's because we had to ship him to the factory (in Malaysia) for his annual electric probing and reprogramming. They promised us he'll be 37% more ornery now! Plus they upgraded his patented Smackdown function with clipart, so he can visually depict his utter disregard for others' opinions!

No offense zimph

I'm just waiting for him to get into a big argument with netgear over something, that thread will get to 10 pages in about 30 seconds...

[Arkham_c]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Kerry is cool.

Dude, Kerry is NOT cool. If you think he is, it just shows that you're not cool either.

(For that matter neither is Bush, but come on. Kerry looks dumber and dumber every time I see him)

This election is shaping up to be Tweedle-Dee versus Tweedle-Dum. I'll vote for one doofus before the other, but it's hardly a compelling choice either way. I find that every 4 years I'm voting AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by itai195:
No offense zimph

None taken.. it was actually pretty humorous.

[saab95]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Who ignored the terrorist threats? Clinton.... Kerry?...

Carter. Reagan. Bush Sr. Clinton.

Bush Jr? Naw, he got a big wakeup call- you know when.

Edit:

Oh forgot. hahahahaha.

Yeah, sarcasm intended

The World of Al Qaeda should thank God the Bush Administration didn't shove an atom bomb up their collective asses.

[tie]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Polit..._040425-1.html


I still think he's grand. VOTE KERRY!

"I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C., news program on WRC-TV called Viewpoints on Nov. 6, 1971, according to a tape obtained by ABCNEWS.

Counting them, there are only 10 words. Ten words doesn't count as a lie, according to Republican doctrine (up to 15 is allowable). Also according to Republican doctrine, anything done up to the age of fifty is a youthful indiscretion and does not count. This was thirty-three years ago, and easily meets that requirement.

[stupendousman]

Originally posted by tie:
Counting them, there are only 10 words. Ten words doesn't count as a lie, according to Republican doctrine (up to 15 is allowable). Also according to Republican doctrine, anything done up to the age of fifty is a youthful indiscretion and does not count. This was thirty-three years ago, and easily meets that requirement.

Actually...he was recently caught lying about what he said and did 30 years ago. The statuate of limitations are up on his being a stupid youthfull war protester (I agree), but not for currently being and old and poor liar (he used WAAAY more than 15 words to lie on GMA this morning as well ).

[tie]

Originally posted by stupendousman:
Actually...he was recently caught lying about what he said and did 30 years ago. The statuate of limitations are up on his being a stupid youthfull war protester (I agree), but not for currently being and old and poor liar (he used WAAAY more than 15 words to lie on GMA this morning as well ).

According to the link, the lie was thirty years ago. Or are you referring to something else? I do not understand why you think that a fifteen word lie about a nuclear threat to the US is less important than a thirty-year old lie (about whatever).

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Arkham_c:
Dude, Kerry is NOT cool. If you think he is, it just shows that you're not cool either.

(For that matter neither is Bush, but come on. Kerry looks dumber and dumber every time I see him)

This election is shaping up to be Tweedle-Dee versus Tweedle-Dum. I'll vote for one doofus before the other, but it's hardly a compelling choice either way. I find that every 4 years I'm voting AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone.

After seeing the MTV inteview John Kerry looked pretty darn cool.

[stupendousman]

Originally posted by tie:
According to the link, the lie was thirty years ago.

He lied when he said he threw his medals over the fence, thirty years ago (based on the newest, but unproven claims).

He lied just this week about ever claiming to have thrown his medals over the fence.

When he was courting the anti-war nuts, he was a militant medal thrower.

When he was courting the pro-military labor union members, he was a proud Vietnam Vet who would never get rid of his medals.

Now that he's trying to get both their support, he's lying to everyone.

The important part of this excercise is that this is very early in the election, and John Kerry has spent his life making these kinds of intellectually dishonest re-writes of his history. He's defining himself as a centerless fake, for those of us who don't already know that to be the case. If you don't think that's something to be concerned with for him to be elected, than we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure everyone who saw him lying through his teeth on GMA, whose mind wasn't already made up, probably were not impressed in the least.

[voodoo]

I'm sorry but all this brouhaha about who threw whose medals where and when just isn't interesting. Nor is it important.

If it is important to you, seek help.

"voodoo, did you throw your medals??"

"maybe I did, maybe I didn't. who cares?"

"urm the people ah ah against the um throwing of err yeah you're right. it's just a slow news day."

[MacGorilla]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I'm sorry but all this brouhaha about who threw whose medals where and when just isn't interesting. Nor is it important.

If it is important to you, seek help.

"voodoo, did you throw your medals??"

"maybe I did, maybe I didn't. who cares?"

"urm the people ah ah against the um throwing of err yeah you're right. it's just a slow news day."

Indeed. A total nonissue. Kerry needs to have Bush explain exact;y what he was doing in Alabama when he was AWOL.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by MacGorilla:]Indeed. A total nonissue. Kerry needs to have Bush explain exact;y what he was doing in Alabama when he was AWOL.

Isn't it interesting how people cling to discredited and debunked election year "stories?" We've been over this. He wasn't awol, and the time has been accounted for, with witnesses who discussed seeing him in Alabama on duty as required. See this 7 page thread on the subject. Lerks military records thread.

Next we'll be discussing again the "Jenin massacre" or "who let the dogs out."

Of course the Kerry story is an issue. It's an issue because Kerry himself makes his Vietnam record an issue by his constant references. It's an issue because the resume of anyone running for president is an issue. It's an issue because this was an act in his public life. This isn't something private -- he tossed medals after inviting the press to watch. It's a political act by a politicians. So it is a political issue. It's an issue because it displays something of how he reacts under pressure. It's an issue because the press should press politicians on their inconsistencies. It's an issue because he wants to be commander in chief -- so we have a right to know what his attitudes are toward the military. Does he mean what he says, or does he only go for symbolism? Does he stand by his statements in the early 70s, or does he retract them?

All relevevant issues. Air them, and let the people decide. Don't try to change the subject to last week's discredited, debunked story about the other guy. We've heard that story. We won't learn anything from repeating it. We have two candidates here. They both should be examined. You can't elect a president without knowing who he is.

Then if this story gets debunked under examination the way the Bush AWOL story was, then, and only then, it should be dropped and buried. But not now. Right now Kerry wants to change the subject because this is obviously awkward for him. But that isn't his decision to make. He chose to run for President. He knows that makes his record an issue.

[Spliffdaddy]

The DNC is seriously considering Gephardt over Kerry.

[MacGorilla]

Witnesses, which ones? I haven't seen anyone come forward and say they remember serving with Dubya. And pay records mean nothing. If you are put in a millitary prison you still get a paid a small fraction of your salary but it doesn't mean you've served.

[Nicko]

"Eight years later in 1996, Kerry said while he did throw out his ribbons, he didn't throw out his own medals because he "didn't have time to go home [to New York] and get them," he told The Boston Globe."


See, the protest was happening and he didn't have time to go home to get his medals. Good enough exuse for me.

Next.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Nicko:
"Eight years later in 1996, Kerry said while he did throw out his ribbons, he didn't throw out his own medals because he "didn't have time to go home [to New York] and get them," he told The Boston Globe."


See, the protest was happening and he didn't have time to go home to get his medals. Good enough exuse for me.

Next.

totally!

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
Witnesses, which ones? I haven't seen anyone come forward and say they remember serving with Dubya. And pay records mean nothing. If you are put in a millitary prison you still get a paid a small fraction of your salary but it doesn't mean you've served.

Read the thread.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The DNC is seriously considering Gephardt over Kerry.

Nah! I'm expecting Hillary to ride in on a white charger.

Or maybe in a chariot, like Boadicea.

[MacGorilla]

Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
Nah! I'm expecting Hillary to ride in on a white charger.

Or maybe in a chariot, like Boadicea.

ooooo I'd like to see that!

[saab95]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The DNC is seriously considering Gephardt over Kerry.

So that's how badly the Democraps want to lose the election, huh?