[videian28]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ok well I guess Apple lost a sale to you. I know 2 future converts blown away by the iMac and will be ordering one within a week.

I know about 5 that will not buy due to the vid card

you do the math

[videian28]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I'd think the one-button mouse would inhibit gameplay more than the sluggish video card ever could.

it is nice that you have the option to upgrade that, unfortunatly that does not hold true for the Vid card

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by videian28:
I know about 5 that will not buy due to the vid card

you do the math

And those same 5 will probably be buying PowerMacs as a result.

[theolein]

I don't know why people (i.e. Ca$h) bitch so much about the new iMac's card. I'm not a gamer, and the only game I will buy for my new Powerbook is Homeworld2 because I love the feeling of space and music in that game, but as far as I know, the new iMac plays all the currently available games for the Mac without any problems, such as UT2004, that rally game etc.

As it is, while there are a good number of games available for the Mac these days (the situation is definitely better than it was 4 years ago), the Mac isn't really a gamers platform, although I'm pretty sure that a dual G5 with a good grpahics card will do Doom3 quite nicely.

If you play a lot of games (more than you do anything else on your Mac) and often get frustrated because a smallers game publisher's title is not available on the Mac, wouldn't it just be easier to buy a PC soley for gaming, or even a console such as the XBox or the PS2? I means if you're one of the people that spends 10 to 20 hours a week gaming, maybe you would be better off just buying an Alienware machine.

I also assume that the next revision of the iMac will, as happend in the past, include a better video card. So what's the fuss about, again?

[videian28]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
And those same 5 will probably be buying PowerMacs as a result.

incorrect

[george68]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
And those same 5 will probably be buying PowerMacs as a result.

Yeah, they all said "Gee, the new iMac's footprint, size, price, processor, and design are all perfect for me, but I'm not buying one because it has a 4 year old video card and will barely be able to run iLife in 6 months..... so I guess I'll spend TWICE as much, even though I don't have the money, to get a computer that's MUCH BIGGER than I originally wanted."

What a dumbass.

[george68]

Originally posted by theolein:
I don't know why people (i.e. Ca$h) bitch so much about the new iMac's card. I'm not a gamer, and the only game I will buy for my new Powerbook is Homeworld2 because I love the feeling of space and music in that game,

Great for you. Did you know that the new iMac will have the MINIMUM card to run motion? When the next iLife comes out with all that core stuff, it will be at the BOTTOM of the barrel. Absolute lowest, slowest card you can use.

but as far as I know, the new iMac plays all the currently available games for the Mac without any problems, such as UT2004, that rally game etc.

Wrong. The only games it's going to play well are OLD games like Quake 3 and hte original UT. UT2004 will play fairly slowly if you use the LCD's full resolution.

- Rob

[pman68]

Just to get back on topic.

Last year I bought an Alienware machine. My wife needed to replace her dying PC, and I suggested going with Alienware, because I didn't have the know how to build a PC, wanted some sort of customer support, AND then I could use it for graphics and games. We went with Alienware because of the care they put in building their machines and the price wasn't bad: $1700. (Specs: 2.8P4, 512, 9600Pro, 120HD AND XP )

The machine has been SOLID for a year now. Very zippy. Runs Doom III not too shabby. Photoshop flies on it. And XP hasn't been that dreadful. The gui is very flexible.

My experience with Alienware has been very positive. You get what you pay for.

[pman68]

Plus I got a FREE T-shirt!

[turtle777]

Originally posted by george68:
The real question is: How does apple stay in business?

The release a GREAT g5 imac and shove in a completely outdated SLOW video card that is unable to play any new game decently!!!!!!!

What a bunch of f*cking morons!

- Rob

Isn't he cute when he is mad ?

-t

[Apple Pro Underwear]

Originally posted by george68:
Great for you. Did you know that the new iMac will have the MINIMUM card to run motion? When the next iLife comes out with all that core stuff, it will be at the BOTTOM of the barrel. Absolute lowest, slowest card you can use.

Motion is a pro program. If you depend on motion for your livelihood, you would not be using the iMac in the first place.

iLife will be more than cash money pimpin' on a G5. iLife already runs fast on the latest G4s. (i don't think iLife is that much of a GPU hog right?)

[demograph68]

Wait for the rev. B iMac G5 and it will hopefully address this dilemma.

[ironknee]

just curious, can u do real work on an alienware computer?>

[turtle777]

Originally posted by ironknee:
just curious, can u do real work on an alienware computer?>

flamebait ?

-t

[ironknee]

Originally posted by turtle777:
flamebait ?

-t

no, just curious...i assume it's just a souped up pc..

[pman68]

Originally posted by ironknee:
just curious, can u do real work on an alienware computer?>

Yes. I use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver and Flash. They work great! Programs are basically the same on both platforms.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by ironknee:
no, just curious...i assume it's just a souped up pc..

of course its' just a computer. There is nothing special about Alien system that is much different from Dells, etc...

[Apple Pro Underwear]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
of course its' just a computer. There is nothing special about Alien system that is much different from Dells, etc...

FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE:

the quality is there over someboddy like dell or gateway for instance. THE SAME reasons some of us cite Apple as being "better" - quality wise - can be said of Alienware. it's reflected in the pricetag.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by george68:
Great for you. Did you know that the new iMac will have the MINIMUM card to run motion? When the next iLife comes out with all that core stuff, it will be at the BOTTOM of the barrel.

That's one bitchin' home user you got, there.

Motion, eh?

That Alienware ain't worth **** if my uncle can't run Renderman on it to animate his holiday videos...

For the past six years, the iMac has always been "bottom of the barrel" in some respect or other.

I rather suspect that that is kind of the point of the "i" line.

You know, a kick-ass machine that still won't eat into high-end sales *too* much.

-s*

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by george68:
I think you're confused here. Just because a republican (bush) feels a certain way, does not mean that ALL republicans and the entire party agrees with that one person. Frankly I find your ignorance and the willingness to stereotype millions of americans as hate-mongers pretty f*cking stupid.

- Rob

I'll post like you do...


Keep your *uckin' political crap in the political *uckin' crap lounge and quit pestering people and derailing the *uckin' thread.

[george68]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
I'll post like you do...


Keep your *uckin' political crap in the political *uckin' crap lounge and quit pestering people and derailing the *uckin' thread.

Right..... me using the f-word ONCE and bringing up a valid point is EXACTLY the same as some dumbass noob using the f-word 3 times and making stupid points......

[pman68]

A Pic of my Alienware Desktop:

[Spliffdaddy]

phat.

[Mastrap]

Take your medication, Robert.

You are a: Making a spectacle out of yourself and b: Have no idea at all what you're talking about.

The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.

Repeat until you finally understand.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Take your medication, Robert.

You are a: Making a spectacle out of yourself and b: Have no idea at all what you're talking about.

The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.
The iMac is a consumer machine, not a high end games machine.

Repeat until you finally understand.

Until the cows come home...

-t

[george68]

Mastrap:

The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.
The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.

Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.

- Rob

[turtle777]

Originally posted by george68:
Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.

- Rob

Actually, the 5200 Apple builds in is BRAND NEW !

-t

[george68]

Originally posted by turtle777:
Actually, the 5200 Apple builds in is BRAND NEW !

-t

Quoting link:

"The iMac g5 utilizes the Geforce 5200 video chip; This chip is, with a few revisions in firmware essentially a Geforce 4MX, which was a revised Geforce2 GTS.

The Geforce2 GTS was released in early 2001, give or take. Did you want a nearly 4 year old video card in your brand new imac? "

- Rob

[Spheric Harlot]

Hold the press! We've got a new cover story!

"G5 iMac Death Knell for Apple - Foul-Mouthed Internet Baby Won't Buy One"

And make sure to get an interview with that Ives fellow before he jumps.

-s*

[Apple Pro Underwear]

Originally posted by george68:

The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.

OK but it does play games.

but what is your point? even on the PC side, if you want the most pimpin' GPU � you have to go for the better machines. on the mac sied, you still have to do the same.

Originally posted by george68:

Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.

and your argument that everything else is fast, then this should be fast as well is ridiculous. if they were forced to skimp on something, i would want it to be the GPU. the games is the clear one knock on macs. the good news is, games is not the reason you want people to switch anyway.

[Peter]

Originally posted by george68:
Mastrap:

The iMac is a consumer machine, consumers play games more than professionals.

Everything in the iMac is new and fast excluding the 4 yr old video card.

- Rob

[perbl]

What strikes me is that people are always so desperate in defending apple, it seems like it is some kind of blasphemy to utter a critical statement.

Some good points from this thread:
*Consumers play games, professionals need even more performance (i.e. the graphics card to power the 30" Cinema)
*The graphics card in the iMac is OLD

My thoughts:
*There are a great deal of games out there for the Mac-platform, and I do not see why anybody should need to defend an old and slow graphics card, when I think that Apple would have everything to gain in letting consumers play games better on their consumer-line of machines
*Excluding the ultra-cheap PCs, you get really good graphics cards on cheap to moderate priced machinges, and I do not see why this should be any different on the Mac-platform, where you have to buy a very expensive computer designed for professionals in order to play games
*Ok, the mac-platform is not a gaming platform, but still a lot of games exist. And what's the use of putting a kick-ass CPU in the computer, if you do not compensate with the other components in order to avoid bottlenecks?

[Apple Pro Underwear]

Originally posted by perbl:
What strikes me is that people are always so desperate in defending apple, it seems like it is some kind of blasphemy to utter a critical statement.

i agree, but this is not really not as desperate as you think for both sides

the Graphics card is not as significant as the other features the imac brings.

and even performance wise � it comes after the

1. processor
2. ram
3. screen
4. media (cd/dvd features)

then comes the
5. GPU

well, in my opinion anyway

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
i agree, but this is not really not as desperate as you think for both sides

the Graphics card is not as significant as the other features the imac brings.

and even performance wise � it comes after the

1. processor
2. ram
3. screen
4. media (cd/dvd features)

then comes the
5. GPU

well, in my opinion anyway

1. processor
2. FSB
3. ram
4. screen
5. media (cd/dvd features)

then comes the
6. GPU

[Spheric Harlot]

1. processor
2. FSB
3. ram
4. screen
5. media (cd/dvd features)

then comes the
6. GPU

[Apple Pro Underwear]

thanks for the correction

but that just brings home the point. we didn't even get to the non-performance wise such as

1. minimal form factor
2. minimal noise
3. minimal cost
4. minimal set up

so you recount that mofo and you get

1. minimal form factor
2. minimal cost
3. processor
4. FSB
5. ram
6. screen
7. media (cd/dvd features)

then comes the
8. GPU

then you start to see that perhaps that #8 was sacrificed to bolster # 1-7

[george68]

Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
OK but it does play games.

but what is your point? even on the PC side, if you want the most pimpin' GPU � you have to go for the better machines. on the mac sied, you still have to do the same.

No it isn't. On the PC side you are able to purchase a 150 dollar video card and shove it in the side and play games at a decent resolution with decent FPS. On hte mac side you either:

1. Buy an iMac and only play 'breakout'
or
2. Spend over twice as much to get a HUGE honkin' system that's WAY overkill and the ability to play a 3d game decently.

There is NO middle ground with apple. The weakest part of the iMac is the GPU...with a better one, it would be a more rounded machine, and hence a better buy.

the good news is, games is not the reason you want people to switch anyway.

Exactly my point. The fact that the iMac 'has no game' is keeping a LOT of people from switching. The average age of a gamer is 29... so that means people from 20-37 age group play games quite a bit.... and apple is completely ****ing ignoring this 30 billion dollar a year industry and userbase.

- Rob

[malvolio]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
You can keep bitching and wishing that this weren't true, but all you're going to do is keep sounding like an angry five year old who can't understand why things aren't to your liking.

The definitive description of Ca$h!

[Link]

Whoa wait a second, let me get this straight:

You guys expect an imac with the processor mounted facing downwards at an angle, along with the monster of a system controller the g5 tends to have, hard drive, cd drive, etc and with a requirement that the processor NOT vent upwards (it'd dissipate heat through the screen, which would eventually fry it), and you think that these requirements will call for a *QUIET* cooling system?

That thing's gonna sound like a hair dryer. -- perhaps a quiet hair dryer but a hairdryer nonetheless. You have to remember when taking apple in consideration that "Whisper quiet" really means "hairdryer on low".

Back to the post though, why can't apple be bothered to stick a radeon 9600 in but yet they'll certainly go ahead and stick a FRIGGEN GEFORCE 4MX in the lowest end mac? THAT'S JUST STUPID!

And I'd say people consider 3 things when choosing a computer:

1. PRICE
2. What are the components like compared to other computers at that price
3. How long will it last with that, and is it worth the price.

The GPU counts as #2 AND #3. This whole crap about "size, weight, 'design' and OMG "grace"" is ****ing crazy... true work of a true apple apologist.. geez man they're a company not your father.


Get the @#$*() off your high horse already and realize that unless apple *REALLY MARKETS THE **** out of the imac they WILL NOT SELL*.

Need I say that again? ok. THEY WILL NOT SELL.

Have I gotten to you yet? I'm not holding my breath, but it'd be wise of apple to wait until their imacs are ready to ship or are shipping/available in stores to start their ad campaign, one of the biggest mistakes they made last time.

If they market the machine really well, IT WILL sell, because it's a nice machine, especially if they really boast the size and 'grace' of it, but otherwise it's just an ordinary pizza-box-on-a-corny-grey-stand and with modest specs as well.

[Peter]

Originally posted by Link:

Get the @#$*() off your high horse already and realize that unless apple *REALLY MARKETS THE **** out of the imac they WILL NOT SELL*.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Link:
Get the @#$*() off your high horse already and realize that unless apple *REALLY MARKETS THE **** out of the imac they WILL NOT SELL*.

Need I say that again? ok. THEY WILL NOT SELL.

You know what's really weird, Link?

The iMac G5 is currently the #1 per-unit sale at just about all Apple online stores worldwide, outpacing even the iPods.

I realize that kids have a different perspective, but there is NOBODY in my circle of friends/acquaintances who isn't drooling over this machine.

That said, I only know a handful of gamers, three of which would never consider an iMac even if it had a top-of-the-line graphics card, and the rest of which own dedicated gaming hardware (PS2, Gamecube, etc.).

You don't buy a Mac for gaming. This is not a huge market that Apple is missing out on, because the Mac is not the platform games are written for. It wouldn't be EVEN IF the graphics card in the iMac G5 were to match Ca$h's ego. And thus, it's not a priority.

But hey, it's not selling - right?

-s*

[Toutgood]

Believe me there's plenty of people looking for an elegant, space saving pc that runs a stable easy to use OS. I've seen iMacs all over the place in businesses and in the homes of people like my grandma.

Plus, I'm 30, have been using computers (Macs mostly) for 20 years, and I don't have any interest in pc games. I know lots and lots of people just like me too.

If I wanted to play games I'd probably just buy a console, or a cheapo wintel box.

[Link]

FOR THE 30 MILLONTH TIME THE STUPID @#*($&$@#@#$*ING VIDEO CARD will be a weak link when you go and buy OS 10.4 as well, whether or not you play games.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Link:
FOR THE 30 MILLONTH TIME THE STUPID @#*($&$@#@#$*ING VIDEO CARD will be a weak link when you go and buy OS 10.4 as well, whether or not you play games.

It will be fine, it's good enough now, and IT'S NOT ****ING STOPPING THE MACHINE FROM SELLING LIKE HOTCAKES.

So YOU won't be buying one. Fine. Would you buy one if it had a better graphics card? Probably not. So please, STFU or go whine about the iPod mini or something.

-s*

[Link]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
It will be fine, it's good enough now, and IT'S NOT ****ING STOPPING THE MACHINE FROM SELLING LIKE HOTCAKES.

So YOU won't be buying one. Fine. Would you buy one if it had a better graphics card? Probably not. So please, STFU or go whine about the iPod mini or something.

-s*

Absolutely not. I have a powermac with a video card that's just as powerful as the one in the current imac, except 2 things:

1. I didn't pay a dime for that video card, it came standard
2. MY MACHINE IS THREE YEARS OLD.

In a few months I'll be grabbing a radeon 9800 or 9600 and putting that issue way behind me Yah I'd never buy an imac

[george68]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
You know what's really weird, Link?

The iMac G5 is currently the #1 per-unit sale at just about all Apple online stores worldwide, outpacing even the iPods.

Sure is. It's brand new. Let's wait and see how many people want a really nice processer with a really shitty video card.

I realize that kids have a different perspective, but there is NOBODY in my circle of friends/acquaintances who isn't drooling over this machine.

Funny. Of my friends, NONE of them are drooling over it.

That said, I only know a handful of gamers, three of which would never consider an iMac even if it had a top-of-the-line graphics card, and the rest of which own dedicated gaming hardware (PS2, Gamecube, etc.).

I own a PS2. Consoles are not the same thing at all. Online gaming on a computer with broadband is a different thing altogether. And yes, most of my friends dig oSX...... what's keeping them from switching?

The fact that in order to play a game decently you have to blow a shitload of $ on a G5 tower.

You don't buy a Mac for gaming.

Correct. Why? Because it has a shitty video card.

And you don't buy a G5 tower for gaming either.

Why? Because it's expensive as all ****ing hell, when all you wanted was a mac that could play a game!

This is not a huge market that Apple is missing out on, because the Mac is not the platform games are written for.

Wrong. As mac users we have TONS of games available RIGHT NOW. Call of Duty, Wolfenstein, 1942, Halo, UT2004, Tron, the list just goes on and on and on...... but in order to play any of them DECENTLY you need to spend over 3 grand a f*cking computer that you don't really need! And yes, IT IS a huge market Apple is missing out on... think of hte average incoming college freshman... going to buy his own computer.... okay, we have a dell for $1500 that can do everything decently but has a kinda shitty OS, or we have an 1800 dollar iMac that CANNOT PLAY ANY GAMES DECENTLY AT ALL.

GEE What a choice.

It wouldn't be EVEN IF the graphics card in the iMac G5 were to match Ca$h's ego.

My ego is miniscule compared to Captain Obvious's ego. He has GARGANTUAN ego. He is better than you at everything you've ever done or will attempt to do. Bow before him.

- Ca$h

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by george68:
My ego is miniscule compared to Captain Obvious's ego. He has GARGANTUAN ego. He is better than you at everything you've ever done or will attempt to do. Bow before him.

And yet, he will never even so much as scratch the immense fountain of knowledge you are privy to in All Things Automechanical, Physics, Pilotry, Market Analysis, Political, Military, Secret Service (THAT is one I *will* give you credit for! ), and Cellular Telephony, oh Most Knowledgable One, Oh Widest of All Gullets, Oh Loudest of Wise Guys!

-s*

[Zimphire]

Cash I like ya , but you are becoming a Capt Obvious fan boy.

And that saddens me.

[Zimphire]

And yeah, if I was to get a PC as my main computer, it would be an Alienware.

But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[theolein]

Originally posted by pman68:
A Pic of my Alienware Desktop:

http://www.quantumburn.com/desktop_2004.jpg

phat x 2. How does Windowblinds affect perfromance if at all?