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Jul 27, 2002, 04:21 PM
 
The silly switcher ads from Apple surely require that the other side of the story be told. It's hard to get numbers but there must be a large number of Mac users (especially those unhappy with OSX) that have decided to move over to Windows. There are many good reasons to stay or move to OSX, but there are definitely valid reasons to move to Windows. In particular the cost of hardware (particularly outside the US) and the ability to run a variety of OS's that are well supported on x86 are reasons. Finally given the rather strained relationship with MS I wonder how many OSX users would move to Windows were MS to drop or lessen support for Office on the Mac?

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Jul 27, 2002, 04:28 PM
 
I currently have a powerbook but plan to go back to IBM Thinkpads just for one reason and one reason alone ---- Dolby Digital/DTS/AC3/5.1 surround sound. Sure jaguar has hooks for it but its not implimented in the apps. I want to watch DVDs on my HDTV is 5.1 surround sound. And if anyone says I should buy a stand-alone DVD player, then I would ask, I need a DVD player than plays 1080i HDTV resolution and have a dscaler that cost under $3000 that is acceptable to me. A PC solution for HDTV is why I would switch back to Windows.
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 04:29 PM
 
I would never move to Windows. I only use M$ Office for Excel but if M$ and Apple cut their relation ship today and Apple went out of business tomorrow I would continue to use my current system (as well as pick up a new one at quite a discount) until it ceased to function. I am a Mac user because I love how the Mac inspires me in the creative process, not because my well-being/money-making depends on computing. If Apple werent around I would have never been interested in computers.

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Jul 27, 2002, 04:39 PM
 
I simply don't like using of looking at any form of windows. I have issue with the OS and it's company. I really believe that if people went out and used both with an open mind, Mac OS X would be the clear winner. And then again, the user experience is not as important as things like watching TV; his choice of course. I'm with swis, if Apple went out of business tomorrow, I would continue to use my systems as long as I could, maybe even learn to use a file card system or go to the library and subscribe to more magazines of a book club. For me it's the OS, not the hardware, that's just a bonus.
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 05:07 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by iAdmin:
<strong>And if anyone says I should buy a stand-alone DVD player, then I would ask, I need a DVD player than plays 1080i HDTV resolution and have a dscaler that cost under $3000 that is acceptable to me. A PC solution for HDTV is why I would switch back to Windows.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Moving computer platforms just so you can upconvert NTSC to 1080i HD seems silly...all that heartache just to remove some scanlines? Uhg.

I'd buy a $300 bare bones PC to do that, if I absolutely had to have it.
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 05:11 PM
 
I $witched.

I got a great PeeCee with awesome gaming at a better price, awesome rendering speeds, awesome sound, awesome internet browsing speeds, awesome multitasking speed, awesome boot up time...

...sorry, I forgot that if an OS doesn't have curved windows there must be something wrong. All those Linux users must be stupid too. I mean, look at their GUI. It's soooooo plain.
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Jul 27, 2002, 05:26 PM
 
I follow what's going on in the computer industry almost daily and seeing what's going on with DRM & Intel and Microsoft collaborating on Palladium, I'm sooo glad I have a Mac.
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 05:40 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Shame:
<strong>I $witched.

I got a great PeeCee with awesome gaming at a better price, awesome rendering speeds, awesome sound, awesome internet browsing speeds, awesome multitasking speed, awesome boot up time...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Shame on you! You got all the above with XP or Linux? You are soooo lucky.
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 05:44 PM
 
I *love* my mac, and god knows I love osx. HOWEVER. I've been seriously entertaining the idea of switching to windows for my next hardware purchase [about a year away] _because_ of the price/performance ratio. I'd hate to do it but I need the horsepower and frankly apple doesn't provide it a great os only goes so far, esp only if it runs sluggish. Now my plans would change if and only IF apple makes some hard core power boosts in the next year, and frankly, considering the track record I aint holding my breath. Apple needs to either a) drop prices on their hardware across the board by a few hundred dollars, or b) make a jump up two gigaherz and pop in some hard core DDR ram, etc etc.
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 05:48 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Moving computer platforms just so you can upconvert NTSC to 1080i HD seems silly...all that heartache just to remove some scanlines? Uhg.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Well, if you're a hometheater buff...scanlines are evil. And a hometheater PC is an inexpensive way to get excellent results.

There are also PC add-in boards for viewing and recording of native HDTV with DD5.1. CBS has their entire primetime lineup in native 1080i HDTV; ABC has their primetime lineup in 720P HDTV. This is native high-definition 16:9 material, not upconverted NTSC. In many markets, PBS has hourly 1080i HDTV broadcasts. FOX has their primetime content in better-than-DVD-quality 16:9 480P widescreen (usually upconverted to 720P). HBO has a dedicated HDTV channel with DD5.1, as does Showtime, and as does Discovery Channel. With the exception of Discovery Theater HDTV (for now), all of these can be timeshifted, saved, and saved/archived natively, bit-for-bit right to your hard drive for playback whenever you want.

Several other 24/7 HDTV channels also launch later in the year. And many of those in NY and Texas can already watch their home sports games in 1080i HDTV; later this year, Comcast will offer HDTV cable broadcasts for all home games of major sports teams in the Philly, Baltimore, and Washington markets. Washington Wizards and Capitals in HDTV!

That said, I agree with you in the sense that this isn't really a reason to switch. It's only a reason to buy a HTPC for your hometheater. I have such a HTPC, but it doesn't mean I don't also have and use a Mac. That said, it would certainly be nice if a Mac could do these things; it's hardly appropriate to call the Mac a "digital hub" when they don't even include a digital output for 5.1 sound.

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Jul 27, 2002, 06:08 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by godzookie2k:
<strong>I *love* my mac, and god knows I love osx. HOWEVER. I've been seriously entertaining the idea of switching to windows for my next hardware purchase [about a year away] _because_ of the price/performance ratio. I'd hate to do it but I need the horsepower and frankly apple doesn't provide it a great os only goes so far, esp only if it runs sluggish. Now my plans would change if and only IF apple makes some hard core power boosts in the next year, and frankly, considering the track record I aint holding my breath. Apple needs to either a) drop prices on their hardware across the board by a few hundred dollars, or b) make a jump up two gigaherz and pop in some hard core DDR ram, etc etc.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Cmon now, seriously. Are you telling me that a dual 1g PowerMac cant do what you want it to fast enough? Or is it just that you can get a cheaper PC to do it at the same speed? Price never means more than satisfation for me.

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Jul 27, 2002, 06:39 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> they don't even include a digital output for 5.1 sound </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Exactly! I'd love to see a digital output built into the motherboard. Especially with 10.2 having software support for 5.1 sound, there's no reason not to (except maybe cost).
     
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Jul 27, 2002, 07:34 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Shame:
<strong>I $witched.

I got a great PeeCee with awesome gaming at a better price, awesome rendering speeds, awesome sound, awesome internet browsing speeds, awesome multitasking speed, awesome boot up time...

...sorry, I forgot that if an OS doesn't have curved windows there must be something wrong. All those Linux users must be stupid too. I mean, look at their GUI. It's soooooo plain.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">? Who said anything about anyone being stupid, dumbass.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 02:51 AM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by (s)macintosh:
<strong>I follow what's going on in the computer industry almost daily and seeing what's going on with DRM & Intel and Microsoft collaborating on Palladium, I'm sooo glad I have a Mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Single biggest reason I refuse to switch to Microsoft is listed here. If you thought Spyware watching your internet traffic to see what you were viewing so they could provide ads based on what your looking at was bad... Your going to be in for a big shock with whatever OS has Palladium embedded in it. (Plus if your on a 56k line using your main phoneline, you might as well forget using that OS as it requires a 24/7 connection to the internet so that M$ can watch what you do and if you don't have one you get locked out of the computer.) Do you see now why I don't want to convert to the Dark Side? DRM is going to be a b****.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 08:23 AM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by King Bob On The Cob:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by (s)macintosh:
<strong>I follow what's going on in the computer industry almost daily and seeing what's going on with DRM & Intel and Microsoft collaborating on Palladium, I'm sooo glad I have a Mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Single biggest reason I refuse to switch to Microsoft is listed here. If you thought Spyware watching your internet traffic to see what you were viewing so they could provide ads based on what your looking at was bad... Your going to be in for a big shock with whatever OS has Palladium embedded in it. (Plus if your on a 56k line using your main phoneline, you might as well forget using that OS as it requires a 24/7 connection to the internet so that M$ can watch what you do and if you don't have one you get locked out of the computer.) Do you see now why I don't want to convert to the Dark Side? DRM is going to be a b****.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Yes it's about time that people accept that politics are involved and we all have a responsibility... M$ are not a nice company in many ways.

I'm hoping that by the time Apple do iPalladium, the fact that all our favourite app's are already running on a UNIX flavour, might mean a port to Linux might not be out of the question...
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Jul 28, 2002, 08:33 AM
 
I Agree... those of you heading down that HTPC road are in for a rude awakening in the coming couple years, with TCPA, Palladium.

You actually think they are going to continue to let you record HiDef/5.1 copyrighted material to a computer HD without embedded DRM chips and software running. All the HW/SW needed to be capable of putting together a HTPC will be required by law to have DRM or it won't be allowed to connect to your cable/dish provider. So go ahead a build your HTPC now, but you will have to make it DRM capable in the future which will basically mean starting from scratch all over again

You people really need pay attention to whats going on in the real world and catch a clue.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 09:05 AM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by pmcd:
<strong>The silly switcher ads from Apple surely require that the other side of the story be told. It's hard to get numbers but there must be a large number of Mac users (especially those unhappy with OSX) that have decided to move over to Windows.

philip</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Ive been thinking about switching to wintel, not because of OSX (which btw I quite like) or hardware (it could be faster though) but because some of the work related apps I use are pc only, afaik there simply is no Mac equivalent. They are fairly cpu intensive so using vpc is a pain.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 09:23 AM
 
Get both, spend more money on the one you like the best. You never have any problems if you have both. That's my theory and I'm sticking too it. I spent my money upgrading my PC before OS X came out. Now I'm going to buy an iMac and the PC can stay how it is for a few years.

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Jul 28, 2002, 09:59 AM
 
UMM! iaminVD's NTSC I dont care what you buy to watch dvd's on you will never get it to play 1080i, Sorry! Thought you should know. Who Ever told you that was tring to get you to buy a HDTV. The best you can do is Progressive scan.
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Jul 28, 2002, 11:15 AM
 
Originally posted by Swiz:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> If Apple werent around I would have never been interested in computers.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Silly silly....you mean if apple never had seen the light of day you would type your homework/letters/diploma/master/Ph.D. thesis on an ancient typewriter??? You�d sacrifice Internet/email and so on??? C�mon!!!!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> Are you telling me that a dual 1g PowerMac cant do what you want it to fast enough? Or is it just that you can get a cheaper PC to do it at the same speed? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">The sad truth is that a cheaper Athlon system running at 2 gig (XP rating, not a top-of-the-line system) blows the current G4 system (even the Duals 1 gig) out of their pretty enclosure..... get your eyes open.....NOW!

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Jul 28, 2002, 11:16 AM
 
I am an HP rep and I have had one customer come in and switch within the last year. I can't tell you how many customers I lost going over to the Mac. And actually I am a Mac user myself running OS X.1.5. Would I consider moving over to a PC? Only if had too. Competition is what keeps many of the manufactures from screwing over the little guy. As long as MS has somebody pushing them, although Apple is more of pest than major competitor at the moment, I believe we are all better off. I would probably feel just the opposite if the shoe were on the other foot.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 11:32 AM
 
I would never switch. There are reasons to use a Mac that go beyond price/performance, such as an OS that let's you work without getting in the way, respects your choice of default apps and doesn't regulate how you use your computer (DRM, etc). Plus there are too many spyware programs and viruses on the PC side. No thanks!

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Jul 28, 2002, 12:54 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ken_F2:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Moving computer platforms just so you can upconvert NTSC to 1080i HD seems silly...all that heartache just to remove some scanlines? Uhg.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Well, if you're a hometheater buff...scanlines are evil. And a hometheater PC is an inexpensive way to get excellent results.

There are also PC add-in boards for viewing and recording of native HDTV with DD5.1. CBS has their entire primetime lineup in native 1080i HDTV; ABC has their primetime lineup in 720P HDTV. This is native high-definition 16:9 material, not upconverted NTSC. In many markets, PBS has hourly 1080i HDTV broadcasts. FOX has their primetime content in better-than-DVD-quality 16:9 480P widescreen (usually upconverted to 720P). HBO has a dedicated HDTV channel with DD5.1, as does Showtime, and as does Discovery Channel. With the exception of Discovery Theater HDTV (for now), all of these can be timeshifted, saved, and saved/archived natively, bit-for-bit right to your hard drive for playback whenever you want.

Several other 24/7 HDTV channels also launch later in the year. And many of those in NY and Texas can already watch their home sports games in 1080i HDTV; later this year, Comcast will offer HDTV cable broadcasts for all home games of major sports teams in the Philly, Baltimore, and Washington markets. Washington Wizards and Capitals in HDTV!

That said, I agree with you in the sense that this isn't really a reason to switch. It's only a reason to buy a HTPC for your hometheater. I have such a HTPC, but it doesn't mean I don't also have and use a Mac. That said, it would certainly be nice if a Mac could do these things; it's hardly appropriate to call the Mac a "digital hub" when they don't even include a digital output for 5.1 sound.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I guess its just me but I use PS2 for games and a 37" HDTV with HD cable with Onkyo receiver and Bose theater surround sound speakers for my home theater. Windows and home theater is a combination I don't get unless I suppose you just never leave your desk and you want to watch HDTV on a small screen.
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:17 PM
 
I'm absolutely sick of hearing about the price/performance issue between PCs and Macs! I work at a university and have been known to help people out when purchasing computer systems. I try to be as fair and understanding to the end computer user. When a Windows system is the best fit, I recommend it (even though it kills me). I'm so tired of people saying "I would like to buy the fastest PC out there!" When I ask them what they will be using it for, I usually get "Surfing the web, sending email and writing papers/reports."

Obviously they need a 2.6 GHz system with a Gig of ram for that...
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:19 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> you mean if apple never had seen the light of day you would type your homework/letters/diploma/master/Ph.D. thesis on an ancient typewriter??? You�d sacrifice Internet/email and so on??? C�mon!!!! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">No, I think the point here is that there is a difference in using computers and being interested in them. When I was in high school, my family had a Mac and I was totally into learning how it worked and what it could do. I went to college to get a degree (and later a masters) in computer science, but there I used Unix and PCs, and while they were technically interesting, I never _loved_ using them.

MacOS X has brought back that initial excitement about computers into my life. I don't know why this is; it certainly isn't about what the computer can do, but is more about how it operates. I mesh with the Mac in a way that is very different from the way I use a PC. (I say this as I type on my PC laptop --- I'm away from home for the summer and am using a laptop from work. I miss my Mac which I had to leave behind!)
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:22 PM
 
Windows machines are still the champ in three areas:

- HTPC - gaming - speedy web browsing -

However, I don't see it as a reason to completely switch platforms. Just buy a box like <a href="http://www.viahardware.com/ss51xpc_1.shtm" target="_blank">this</a> maybe to coplement your Mac.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:28 PM
 
I have considered buying a PC twice in my lifetime.

Once in 1997 when Apple was going bust and once over the past year.

Over the past year for two reasons:

1 I want to get on the DVR bandwaggon but i'm not willing to pay the rip-off subsriptions prices you get with set top boxes. Plus I want HD expandability.

2 I want to play the best games. Counter Strike anyone? If I put together I cheap ass PC, no monitor no modem no software purchases I could borrow like 200 top notch PC games off my friend and have the best entertainment systems around.

So if I did buy a PC it would be for purely entertainment purposes.

My personal computer platform of choice and digital hub choice will of course remain to be the superior Macintosh..... after all i'm not stupid.
     
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Oh yeah, and If I did decide to buy a PC, I would spray is black and hide it in a cupboard.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:39 PM
 
I switch three times a day or more...
I like W2K, I do not like XPp because of the awful stuff they have put in there.
Passport, .Net, whatever.
But somehow I always go back to OSX when I do stuff for myself.
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:58 PM
 
I am very seriously thinking of making the move to Win2K at home due to the lack of syncing capabilities on the Mac. I just ordered Jaguar and can hardly wait for it to arrive...but I am sick and tired of not being able to maintain the same data between my work Win2K laptop, my cell phone, my Palm, and My Yahoo! Calendar & Addressbook. I got very excited about iSync, but it looks like it will not sync with anything else but .Mac and I will not change my world to accommodate Apple.

On the flip side, what keeps me attached to the Mac is iMovie, Painter 7, Knock-out, KPT; I just don't want to buy that software again.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 01:59 PM
 
I'm 100% Mac and Linux from here on out. I would have used BeOS most likely, if it hadn't gone under. It would take something absolutely earth-shattering for me to even consider having another Windoze machine again.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by swiz:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by godzookie2k:
<strong>I *love* my mac, and god knows I love osx. HOWEVER. I've been seriously entertaining the idea of switching to windows for my next hardware purchase [about a year away] _because_ of the price/performance ratio. I'd hate to do it but I need the horsepower and frankly apple doesn't provide it a great os only goes so far, esp only if it runs sluggish. Now my plans would change if and only IF apple makes some hard core power boosts in the next year, and frankly, considering the track record I aint holding my breath. Apple needs to either a) drop prices on their hardware across the board by a few hundred dollars, or b) make a jump up two gigaherz and pop in some hard core DDR ram, etc etc.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Cmon now, seriously. Are you telling me that a dual 1g PowerMac cant do what you want it to fast enough? Or is it just that you can get a cheaper PC to do it at the same speed? Price never means more than satisfation for me.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Actually...as it stands right now, the PC would do it way cheaper and hella faster. I love my QuickSilver but if I were to buy another computer today it wouldn't be a Mac....sad but true.

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Jul 28, 2002, 02:34 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I guess its just me but I use PS2 for games and a 37" HDTV with HD cable with Onkyo receiver and Bose theater surround sound speakers for my home theater. Windows and home theater is a combination I don't get unless I suppose you just never leave your desk and you want to watch HDTV on a small screen.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Huh? That's like saying you can't use a PS2 on a TV larger than 20". Obviously you can use a HTPC with a 53" HDTV or 92" FP screen just like you can a PS2. And let me tell you, PC and net games look a helluva lot better at 1280x720P (1920x1080P is coming later this year with Toshiba's new set!) on a 50" screen than they do at the PS2's laughable 340x240 and 640x480.

Most of the really popular games (those based on the Quake3 or Unreal engines) support high-definition widescreen gaming. I mean really, no serious gamer plays games at 640x480 anymore. And no, while I am not a serious gamer (I don't have time for games), I know many people that are. And I have had played games on my HT system with younger relatives when they visit.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">UMM! iaminVD's NTSC I dont care what you buy to watch dvd's on you will never get it to play 1080i, Sorry! Thought you should know. Who Ever told you that was tring to get you to buy a HDTV. The best you can do is Progressive scan. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Obviously you have a thing or two to learn about HDTV. While you'll never get more than SDTV resolutions with the current DVD standard, larger screens in hometheaters offer the best picture when you scale DVD resolution to the optimal resolution offered by your display. For example, if you have a 1366x1024 DILA display which does pisspoor scaling, you get a dramatically improved picture by scaling the output from DVD on a HTPC. It's said that HTPC's offer comparable performance to the standalone hometheater scalers costing $2000 to $5000.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I Agree... those of you heading down that HTPC road are in for a rude awakening in the coming couple years, with TCPA, Palladium.

You actually think they are going to continue to let you record HiDef/5.1 copyrighted material to a computer HD without embedded DRM chips and software running. All the HW/SW needed to be capable of putting together a HTPC will be required by law to have DRM or it won't be allowed to connect to your cable/dish provider. So go ahead a build your HTPC now, but you will have to make it DRM capable in the future which will basically mean starting from scratch all over again</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Most of you don't seem to understand <a href="http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html" target="_blank">Palladium and TCPA</a>. People here tout them as some "Microsoft thing" when it's not. It came out of the IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy a few years ago. It's to be a set of IEEE industry-standards (2005-2007) that will protect intellectual property rights of all copyrighted media in the future, while also providing for far greater end-user security. Hardware vendors like Dell and Apple will have to support it or they won't be able to play the DVDs and music CDs of the future. It applies more to future media than it does to current media (Microsoft has said Palladium won't prevent you from doing anything you can do now with current media); current DVDs and music CDs are not TCPA/Paladium-enabled, and won't be for three to five years.

DRM through TCPA and Palladium, as it applies to HDTV, would just mean that you can't do any more with copyrighted material than you can with high-fidelity music, HDTV DVD (as it will exist then), or HDTV Tivo. That means DVDs ripped to your PC, or HDTV and HDTV DVDs ripped or saved on your PC will not be viewable on other PCs (so distribution would be made impossible) if only one copy was permitted, etc. The same goes for music; DRM will mean that music saved your system will not play on other people's systems unless they also own the CD. This won't just be a software solution that can be easily hacked, but rather a hardware solution. And TCPA and Palladium isn't just a thing used on the PC, it's meant to be used on new digital media (DVDs, music CDs, etc); that's the whole point.

But really, who cares right now what happens in 2005-2007? I don't think anyone buying a computer now seriously intends to use it in 2005 or 2006, given the advancement of hardware we are seeing now every year.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by (s)macintosh:
<strong>I follow what's going on in the computer industry almost daily and seeing what's going on with DRM & Intel and Microsoft collaborating on Palladium, I'm sooo glad I have a Mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">And that is going to be the end of MS if this is full implemented. I really don't think MS is *that* stupid,
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 02:50 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">And that is going to be the end of MS if this is full implemented. I really don't think MS is *that* stupid,</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Will it be the end of Apple too? Cause they'll be using it, just as will every DVD player, music CD player, and Tivo-like device. And you'll have to buy one, because the CDs and DVDs published beginning in 2005-2007 won't work on any computer without it.
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 04:38 PM
 
I always try to be fair in my opinion. I have Vaio notebook and used PCs few years while working; i also have a Power Mac.

Situation with swithcers is quite different now compared to 1992-5. All we know that millions left Mac OS and moved to Windows 3-95 as soon as it presented some GUI alternative in computing. That means that Macs were not as good as we all think. One of largest reasons was the enormous price of Macs then. That was hard lesson and Apple never should forget it.

Lets talk about current switcher. Aside from idiot above who wants to watch DVD on PC (and leave Mac platform just for that - i will tell you, that person just does not understand what computers are for - so leave him with all his scanline crap alone), i dont know who would seriosly think of abandoning mac platform now. Truth is that who wanted to abandon, they all already did that. What you have are either Mac professionals (creative pro) and casual home users (with money) + Unix guys thanks to OSX. You cant find a reason why any of these groups may leave, unless something very drastic happens.

1/ casual users - attracted to Macs by iMacs and general easiness of OSX (on surface - but casual users probably never tweak OS and break it), so no swithcers to PC side here. Some more TV hardware might be welcome

2/ creative pro - state of sound is not so good; but recent acquisition of Elogic will probably improve it. Graphics/web design/ multimedia/digital video are Apple strongholds; though none really needs OSX, main work is done in OS9.

3/ Why UNIX guys would leave OSX? i heard stories of Linux users moving to Macs

So what about windows? I guess its reached its limit and will gradually lose its base. First, Linux will erode its server base even more. Mac OSx will erode its consumer base. ANyone who thinks Windows is better as an OS is lying. Its good solid OS, but its not better than Mac OS. Did you forget about registry troubles? about missing DLL? about illegal errors? Although my Vaio slim notebook is generally good machine and never had serious troubles requiring reinstallation of Windows, i managed to keep it in working state. However, few days ago my odbc drivers (it began from them - later it spread to other files) became corrupted or installing office somehow corrupted em, i dont know, but for the four days in row i had to spend a lot of time dealing with dreaded Kernel32.dll errors, appearing everywhere, downloading microsoft knowledge base articles and cleaning manually system dlls. If anybody wants such hell, i ll tell you he is idiot.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by real:
<strong>UMM! iaminVD's NTSC I dont care what you buy to watch dvd's on you will never get it to play 1080i, Sorry! Thought you should know. Who Ever told you that was tring to get you to buy a HDTV. The best you can do is Progressive scan.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">OK time to clue you into HTPC. No DVDs are NOT 1080i res. That is however the very reason many people use HTPCs to play DVDs when they have a disply that is higher than NTSCs 480 resolution. The image needs to be SCALED at some point from 480 to 720p or 1080i. Some devices scale well, most do not. The EQ that does scale well generally costs thousands and thousands of dollars. Thats where a PC comes in. It's vastly cheaper than most outboard scalers and, setup correctly, can produce a fantastic pictire scaled up to a custom resolution, including 1080i. Plus it is also a DVD player in itself, + mp3, timeshifting, games, gigantic web browsing, etc etc etc. Just thought you should know.

<a href="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31225" target="_blank">More clues here.</a>
     
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Jul 28, 2002, 09:30 PM
 
I'll be buying parts, and building my own cheap PC pretty soon for either Linux or Windows.. or both. I havn't really decided yet. It'll mostly be for experimental stuff, or small little programs that aren't out on the mac. I might install linux on it and use it as a server as well..

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Shame:
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...sorry, I forgot that if an OS doesn't have curved windows there must be something wrong. All those Linux users must be stupid too. I mean, look at their GUI. It's soooooo plain.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">If you really can't see the differences in UI design between the Mac OS and Windows save for pretty curved windows, I feel sorry for you. They may both have windows and icons but there's plenty of big differences�personally I can't stand to use a Windows box, no matter how great it is at playing L337 gamez, because of that hideous, hideous GUI and the philosophy behind it.
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Jul 28, 2002, 11:31 PM
 
I'd only consider moving to Windows when there were no working Macs available anywhere. Even then I'd be so old I'd probably just say forget it and live without a computer. Life is more than computers. The death of my father several years ago and 9/11 taught me that.

P.S. To those that do switch I'd suggest you seriously consider switching forums too. You'll only be miserable if you stay here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

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DMCA will fall eventually and then DRM will become moot-point... All DRM will do is piss off consumers (who are already not happy about their legally owned CDs not being playable in their Computer.)

All of you wanting to read on something, there was a fasinating article in Discover magizine about how the shutdown of Napster will eventually make a less honest (more likely to commit petty crimes) society... And so far, they have been exactly on target.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
<strong>I'm absolutely sick of hearing about the price/performance issue between PCs and Macs! I work at a university and have been known to help people out when purchasing computer systems. I try to be as fair and understanding to the end computer user. When a Windows system is the best fit, I recommend it (even though it kills me). I'm so tired of people saying "I would like to buy the fastest PC out there!" When I ask them what they will be using it for, I usually get "Surfing the web, sending email and writing papers/reports."

Obviously they need a 2.6 GHz system with a Gig of ram for that... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">They're just ashamed to tell you how much time they spend playing games and watching porn
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Jul 29, 2002, 05:37 PM
 
i still think that for most people apple makes very good, affordable machines. the classic imac is at 799. you takew it out of the box, you plug it in and turn it on, and within 5 or so minutes you are WPing, surfing, what have you. they all (the apple line) need a bus/chip bump to keep them more current, but they're excellent machines. (so what if a dual g4 renders 5 seconds slower than a 2.4 p4!)

os x is strong and stable as hell. my partner uses a pc at home and two networked ones at her job, runnning win 2000 and win me. i can't tell you how many times a day they are invaded by viruses, lock up, freeze, crash, don't talk to each other, and piss her off. she would switch to mac but does quite a bit of work on Access and doesn't want to learn filemaker pro. the other day when I reminded her again that my imac running OS X never crashes (and hasn't done so in almost 9 months, incredible!) she asked me, "So is there a Windows OS X?" She also thinks the way OS X looks is very neat.

after working to unfreeze, uncrash, and get her machines to talk to each other quite a bit, plus OS X (which for about a week I berated on these forums prior to seeing a Jaguar build at the Apple store) I don't ever think I'd use, much less buy, a Windows machine unless my Imac broke and Apple did not make computers and there were no macs to be had anywhere.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by pliny:
they all (the apple line) need a bus/chip bump to keep them more current, but they're excellent machines. (so what if a dual g4 renders 5 seconds slower than a 2.4 p4!)
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">The reason it matters is that the introduction of 2.4GHz P4's (and higher) push the rice of really fast 1.8GHz P4's down to consumer levels.

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Jul 29, 2002, 06:29 PM
 
As someone who used PeeCees for years before switching to Macs, I'd NEVER go back to Windoze. Windoze is unstable, unreliable, and made by a company that has time and again proven to be a ruthless, illegal, and unethical company.

As for Macs... sure they have their negatives. Speed of the G3/G4 is one right now. However, Apple is aware of the problem, and is surely doing everything possible to rectify the situation. So is it worth it to make a complete switch to a different platform because of a situation that is sure to be rectified within the next year or so? And in the meantime, everything else Apple is doing right more than makes up for the speed of the G3/G4.

The only way I'd ever switch to a PC is if Apple went completely under. Even then, you can rest assured it would be a M$-free computer, running some form of Linux.
     
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Jul 29, 2002, 07:10 PM
 
Both my wife and my son switched to PCs.

My son switched for the games. Pure and simple. We ebayed his iMac. He prefers my Mac for making movies and playing around with his digital cameral, but he loves the latest games, and he loves customizing Windows (there are some very cool skins and Kaleidoscope-style apps for the PC. Nothing in OS X compares.) and is now totally platform agnostic.

My wife switched to a PC because she's a writer/illustrator and hates OS X's font rendering. She had an older Mac, a 8100, and was ready for new hardware. I let her try out my G4 with 10.1 on it for a couple of weeks but she found the font smoothing gave her a headache (literally). Turning the smoothing off in tinkertool was even worse (for some reason OS X makes unsmoothed fonts look like garbage). Anyway, despite my pleading, she got herself a Dell and is reasonably happy. She misses her old Mac but wouldn't consider switching to X until there is much more control over font smoothing and much more precise rendering of unsmoothed fonts. Also she likes the speedy browsing although she complains that Internet Explorer for the Mac is a better program than IE for the PC.

I'm a Apple die-hard and have been since the Apple ][ days. I can't even count the number of Macs I've bought over the years. I love OS X but feel it has lost some of OS 9's usability. The Unix-ness of it all is lots of fun but this almost feels like a step backwards (reminds me of the old days). Like my wife I really am bothered by OS X's font rendering and have even been inspired to do some studies at my university to see how different font rendering schemes affect people (it's all over the map... as subjective as color choice) and watching my son customize his machine, I am jealous. Looking over my family's shoulder I have seen that Windows has made great strides since the bad old days and it does some things even better than the Mac (contextual menus, display speed, interface options, built in fax to name a few)... but would I switch. Naaah. Never.
     
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Jul 29, 2002, 07:28 PM
 
The switcher story I hear more than any other is Unix people (SGI and Sun) Switching to OSX. Where I work the machine the sys admins all want for their personal use is a Tibook! I don't know how much net change apple is getting from the Windows&lt;&gt;Mac switcher flow, but from what i can see there is a steady stream of unix converts coming to OSX. To be fair, these folks are not abandoning the SGI machines, etc, they just see OSX as a great complementary tool....plus they get Office without having to use Windows.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Sean2068:
<strong>1 I want to get on the DVR bandwaggon but i'm not willing to pay the rip-off subsriptions prices you get with set top boxes. Plus I want HD expandability.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I've been using Tivo for the past two years. Bought the unit and paid the flat-fee for subscription (about $125 at the time, I think). Tivo still updates your service, and you still get everything, you just never have to give them another dime. And trust me, it is no rip-off for lifetime updates, tv listings (which you get with digital cable, but still have to pay monthly), and now video clips that it downloads over the modem. It really is worth it.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">All of you wanting to read on something, there was a fasinating article in Discover magizine about how the shutdown of Napster will eventually make a less honest (more likely to commit petty crimes) society... And so far, they have been exactly on target. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Heheh... and a butterfly flapping it's wings in South America eventually leads to a nuclear bomb detonation in China... it's called chaos theory. If you've ever watched Jurassic Park, Jeff Goldblum's character made it mainstream... it means that you can never really predict how one thing leads into another. Correlations are easy... causation is a real bit�h.
Just think about it... For example, to show you how hard it is to prove causation, everything you have experienced in your life has shaped you into who you are at this moment in time... while each experience may have played either a major or minor role, they ALL have had an effect on you... trying to say that one or two major events caused you to be who you are would be false.
Now apply that to the 'Discover Magazine Theory'. One would think that it would take more than the closure of a single, online (illegal) music trading service for someone to conclude that we should expect a crime wave... quite the logical jump if you ask me.
But then again, I read this thread, and logic is missing in probably 80% of the posts... so why should yours be any different.

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This is a pretty good article in PC magazine on the whole Switch thing:

<a href="http://www.pcworld.com/features/article/0,aid,102528,00.asp" target="_blank">http://www.pcworld.com/features/article/0,aid,102528,00.asp</a>
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