[kikkoman]

you are an adult. an album or single is available in clean or explicit versions. which would you get and why?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by kikkoman

you are an adult. an album or single is available in clean or explicit versions. which would you get and why?

Explicit. I don't care for swearing, but why buy audio that's been messed with?

[sek929]

Explicit. What's the point if not?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by kikkoman

you are an adult. an album or single is available in clean or explicit versions. which would you get and why?

Neither. ...because the music which I listen to generally tends to have intelligent lyricists who don't need to swear to make a point. If there's swearing, it's probably not my kind of music, thus I wouldn't be buying it.

It's like watching the TV with the sound off and a band comes on. If there's an Orange amp in the backline somewhere, I know not to bother turning the sound up.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Neither. ...because the music which I listen to generally tends to have intelligent lyricists who don't need to swear to make a point.

Man, you must be like, 100 years old eh?

[shunt]

Explicit, this should have been a poll.

[Dakar]

Explicit. It's the artist' original intent, and usually its version you know best (If you're buying something you heard previously).

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by sek929

Man, you must be like, 100 years old eh?

What a bizarre implication.

[eltrut]

Originally Posted by Doofy

What a bizarre implication.

Albeit, true ?

[Nai no Kami]

Explicit, fµck yeah!!!!!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by eltrut

Albeit, true ?

No.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Neither. ...because the music which I listen to generally tends to have intelligent lyricists who don't need to swear to make a point.

And also don't ever mention sex, drugs or violence? What do you listen to, Beethoven?

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

And also don't ever mention sex, drugs or violence? What do you listen to, Beethoven?

I'm gonna say Kenny G or perhaps Tom Jones.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

And also don't ever mention sex, drugs or violence? What do you listen to, Beethoven?

Songs about dragons. And wizards. And big swords.

Actually, I'm mainly an 80's rock fiend.
There's a huge difference between being explicit and simply mentioning something. It's much more fun if the lyricist implies things... ...for example:

Originally Posted by AC/DC

Let me cut your cake with my knife

See? You know what it's on about but there's no need to be up-front about it. Isn't that much more interesting than simply:

Originally Posted by unintelligent lyricist

Let me f*** you

?

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Actually, I'm mainly an 80's rock fiend.

See, I am a complicated rock fiend. Meaning I don't mind a few f-bombs if the music itself is complex and intriguing.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by sek929

See, I am a complicated rock fiend.

Define please.

Are we talking Yes or Talking Heads or what?

[Nai no Kami]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

And also don't ever mention sex, drugs or violence? What do you listen to, Beethoven?

99% of my music library has no lyrics. I'm a fan of jazz, you know.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Neither. ...because the music which I listen to generally tends to have intelligent lyricists who don't need to swear to make a point. If there's swearing, it's probably not my kind of music, thus I wouldn't be buying it.

I'm with you, Doof.

I don't see the point of listening to a band that has explicit lyrics/content in it, especially if you're not an angst-ridden 16-year-old who feels the need to swear every other word in order to be "cool." Definitely a big

Of course, this is coming from a guy who likes Coldplay, John Mayer Trio, Derek Webb, Jack Johnson, Lifehouse, Michael Bublé, Sigur Rós, Switchfoot, and The Wallflowers rather than people like Daddy Yankee and T-Pain.

[Velocity211]

Explicit, i don't want to pay the same amount with music that has been altered.

[andi*pandi]

explicit, you never know what's going to be edited out of songs by someone at the label making it "walmart friendly." Not just f--- and s---, but references to drugs (even in obviously derogatory framework) or politics.

that said I don't tend to buy much with lots of swearing anyhow.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Define please.

Are we talking Yes or Talking Heads or what?

If I'm not mistaken Talking Heads are Progressive Rock right?

If so then yeah, that's my type of music.

Bands of today that are prog. and my favorite are Mars Volta and Tool.

[forkies]

Originally Posted by Doofy

intelligent lyricists who don't need to swear to make a point

lord, that's a ridiculous statement if i've ever heard (read?) one. profanity has a time & place like all words, and using it artistically has nothing to do with lacking intelligence. that is, of course, unless you have an incredibly simplistic view of language & its role in our lives.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by forkies

lord, that's a ridiculous statement if i've ever heard (read?) one. profanity has a time & place like all words, and using it artistically has nothing to do with lacking intelligence.

OK, prove me wrong. Post an example of an intelligent lyric which contains profanity.

I can think of one, and one only.

[eltrut]

Originally Posted by Doofy

OK, prove me wrong. Post an example of an intelligent lyric which contains profanity.
I can think of one, and one only.

Dude, I win:

Oooh, this my ****, this my ****[4x]
Let me hear you say, this **** is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S [4x]

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy

OK, prove me wrong. Post an example of an intelligent lyric which contains profanity.

I can think of one, and one only.

I'm the son of a bitch who named you Sue?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Dakar

I'm the son of a bitch who named you Sue?

That's profanity?

(I'm not too sure it's intelligent either. Johnny Cash?)

[Dakar]

Yes, that's considered profanity (bitch or son of a bitch is a curse).

Second, I managed to download the track of itunes and that part is BLEEPED OUT (because its from whenever the original track came out).

I'll give you the intelligent part, I guess, but the statement is creatively consistent with the character its portraying.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Yes, that's considered profanity (bitch or son of a bitch is a curse).

Originally Posted by Dakar

Second, I managed to download the track of itunes and that part is BLEEPED OUT (because its from whenever the original track came out).

Well, that puts a different perspective on things. I thought we were talking about "f***" and "c***", not stuff like "bitch".

/trots off to raise a glass to cultural differences.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Hey technically damn & hell are too.

Originally Posted by Doofy

Well, that puts a different perspective on things. I thought we were talking about "f***" and "c***", not stuff like "bitch".

You forget how censored our TV here is. You guys can see boobs on your TV from time to time, correct? (And if not you, I know continental european television can).

Originally Posted by Doofy

/trots off to raise a glass to cultural differences.

I know. Thankfully, I'm far more liberal about such things, thanks to my parents. But you forget a live in a culture that freaked out about Janet Jackson's deformed nipple w/shield.

[MacManMikeOSX]

Originally Posted by AC/DC

Let me cut your cake with my knife

I never exactly thought of the band that made songs such as "Dirty Tricks Done Dirt Cheap" and "Big Balls" as masterful lyric writers.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Doofy

OK, prove me wrong. Post an example of an intelligent lyric which contains profanity.

I think Dave Matthews Band's "If I Had It All" is at least not unintelligent.

If I had it all, you know
I'd **** it up

If I were a king
If I had everything
If I had you and I could give you your dreams
If I were giant-sized, on top of it all
Then tell me what in the world would I sing for...

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by MacManMikeOSX

I never exactly thought of the band that made songs such as "Dirty Tricks Done Dirt Cheap" and "Big Balls" as masterful lyric writers.

You must be thinking of a different lyricist.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Hey technically damn & hell are too.

Originally Posted by Dakar

You forget how censored our TV here is. You guys can see boobs on your TV from time to time, correct?

Pretty much any time after 9pm. The BBC has pushed the envelope recently, showing "Titanic" (uncut) at 6pm(ish). Boobs no big deal here.

Originally Posted by Dakar

But you forget a live in a culture that freaked out about Janet Jackson's deformed nipple w/shield.

I forgot about that.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I think Dave Matthews Band's "If I Had It All" is at least not unintelligent.

I'm not going to give you that one, since the message could just as easily have been conveyed by substituting the word "screw" or "mess".

(I'm unaware of the song - and in fact the band - so I don't know how the substitute words would splice into the sung phrase. From experience, I'm guessing they'd splice in pretty easy)

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Doofy

I'm not going to give you that one, since the message could just as easily have been conveyed by substituting the word "screw" or "mess".

(I'm unaware of the song - and in fact the band - so I don't know how the substitute words would splice into the sung phrase. From experience, I'm guessing they'd splice in pretty easy)

They could have, but I don't see how the words "screw" or "mess" would have worked any better there. The point is not that swearing is required, it's that it doesn't make the song any worse. I mean, you could have written that post without the word "just," but that doesn't disqualify the post from having any merit.

[Kenneth]

Explicit here.

Sound better this way.

[snoopy199]

Clean, I prefer not hearing profanity in my conversations or my songs. I generally only listen music that wouldn't contain profanity in it anyways.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy

But honestly, you have heard of that, right? I would consider any word children aren't supposed to say a 'curse word.' It doesn't mean every one of those words is unfit for use among adults however.

Originally Posted by Doofy

I'm not going to give you that one, since the message could just as easily have been conveyed by substituting the word "screw" or "mess".

Funny, because I was pondering this on my drive home.

"I messed it up." Sounds like something a child or contrite teenager would say. Also, the lack of a hard consonant makes it difficult to add inflection.

"I screwed it up." Passable, at least. Problem is I think the 'shocking' nature of the F-bomb (particularly out of DMs mouth) communicates the gravity of what he has done or feels about it.

I know I'm not changing your mind about it, but I felt like adding my perspective on the subject. Senseless cursing does nothing for me, put I do think there's a place for it, and that it convey a certain emotional gravity that regular may not (when used correctly).

[Chuckit]

Yeah, I think "**** it up" is the best way to phrase that line, but that's kind of subjective, so I was mainly sticking to the more objective point that while the line could be changed, I see no real reason for such self-censorship.

[zmcgill]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

I'm with you, Doof.

I don't see the point of listening to a band that has explicit lyrics/content in it, especially if you're not an angst-ridden 16-year-old who feels the need to swear every other word in order to be "cool." Definitely a big

Of course, this is coming from a guy who likes Coldplay, John Mayer Trio, Derek Webb, Jack Johnson, Lifehouse, Michael Bublé, Sigur Rós, Switchfoot, and The Wallflowers rather than people like Daddy Yankee and T-Pain.

Looks like we have similar taste in music!

Originally Posted by Doofy

The BBC has pushed the envelope recently, showing "Titanic" (uncut) at 6pm(ish).

The BBC is gov't owned and run right? That's just so messed up compared to what we're used to. The renegade media companies 'push the envelope' and then the gov't has to reign them in and fine them and stuff.

[jsousa]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Neither. ...because the music which I listen to generally tends to have intelligent lyricists who don't need to swear to make a point. If there's swearing, it's probably not my kind of music, thus I wouldn't be buying it.

It's like watching the TV with the sound off and a band comes on. If there's an Orange amp in the backline somewhere, I know not to bother turning the sound up.

I'd agree whole heartedly, and I tend to listen to Indie Oriented Rock. The truly talented musicians have hardly any swearing in them. Plus if you are buying from a Label that follows those explicet standards you must be listening to fairly manstream stuff; which often will have quite unneccessary swearing in it.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

The BBC is gov't owned and run right?

Sort of. I'd say more like "government enforced". It's a self-contained organisation which the government forces us to pay for.

A parallel might be if the US government forced you to give Ford $200 a year to have a driving licence (regardless of whether you owned a Ford or not), then giving Ford a few loose directives (i.e. all cars made must have steering wheels) under which they must run.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Doofy

A parallel might be if the US government forced you to give Ford $200 a year to have a driving licence (regardless of whether you owned a Ford or not), then giving Ford a few loose directives (i.e. all cars made must have steering wheels) under which they must run.

Man, I hope they never enforce that one!

[zmcgill]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Sort of. I'd say more like "government enforced". It's a self-contained organisation which the government forces us to pay for.

A parallel might be if the US government forced you to give Ford $200 a year to have a driving licence (regardless of whether you owned a Ford or not), then giving Ford a few loose directives (i.e. all cars made must have steering wheels) under which they must run.

That's interesting! So would the government reign them in if they went to far, say, explicit sex before 9?

[eltrut]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Man, I hope they never enforce that one!

That would suck. I stear much better with the powers of my brain...

[Railroader]

As much as I think it's immature to use profanity, I do NOT like censored music.

I'd say 99% of my music is profanity free. I can only think of a few uses of profanity in my music collection. Pink Floyd, Matchbox 20, and Heather Nova. And in both cases when they have used profanity I thought it wasn't over the top.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's interesting! So would the government reign them in if they went to far, say, explicit sex before 9?

Yes, but that would go for any TV station (and, in the case of explicit sex, at all times).

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Railroader

As much as I think it's immature to use profanity, I do NOT like censored music.

I'd say 99% of my music is profanity free. I can only think of a few uses of profanity in my music collection. Pink Floyd, Matchbox 20, and Heather Nova. And in both cases when they have used profanity I thought it wasn't over the top.

In certain instances, the edit seems better. Check the edit of Walk This World (Heather Nova) where the second line, second verse is changed to "sucked in". It actually works better with the edit.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by eltrut

That would suck. I stear much better with the powers of my brain...

I just lean over really far.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Nai no Kami

99% of my music library has no lyrics. I'm a fan of jazz, you know.

Me too! Who are you into?