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What Can Leopard Client Do That Leopard Server Can't?
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I'm thinking of getting OS X Server for a machine already running Leopard and serving content in my small business. Looking through Apple's site, Leopard Server looks great, but I wondered what the client system can do that the server can't? On the surface, it looks like it's just regular client leopard with some great server add-ons. Is that true? Does it omit any functionality? Thanks for the thoughts!
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More-or-less it is simply an add-on. But in practice you wipe the computer and start from scratch. Trust me, you don't want to try to hack around with 'Server. And you also do not want to be running 'Server as a desktop computer.
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Originally Posted by larkost 
More-or-less it is simply an add-on. But in practice you wipe the computer and start from scratch. Trust me, you don't want to try to hack around with 'Server. And you also do not want to be running 'Server as a desktop computer.
Sometimes there are a few Apple programs that check to see if they are running on Server and refuse to run if they are. Something about "inappropriate use of server resources" (note it does NOT say this, but by blocking execution of those apps this is implied).
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Very interesting. Thank you for this info. This server would at most pull up a few web pages and other files for playback, and otherwise would be simply serving, so it sounds like it should be ok. Does anyone have any more details? Thanks!
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NB: You can do any simple server tasks on client version as well. They just don't have the same management tools. You can add free third party software to do more, if you wish, but would be hard pressed to match Apple's management tools in terms of ease of use and integration.
Personally, I'd never buy server version, as client version does everything I need, and I don't need a fancy GUI to do it with. But for non-expert users, the server version would be a big help.
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Originally Posted by larkost
And you also do not want to be running 'Server as a desktop computer.
Why? We have a machine running server at work that is also used daily as the office managers desktop computer. 99% of things work exactly the same as on a non-server.
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If you don't need a real server, why not use the client version?
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The client version works fine, but the superior access control, iCal server, wiki server, and time machine spotlight indexing (among other things) would really be nice.
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iCal server is open source (Darwin Calendar Server) and will install on almost anything with the prerequisites installed (haven't tried it myself yet, but do plan to). Many freeware wiki's are available too.
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Originally Posted by Brass
iCal server is open source (Darwin Calendar Server) and will install on almost anything with the prerequisites installed (haven't tried it myself yet, but do plan to). Many freeware wiki's are available too.
I've got exactly the same problem: Leopard Client runnin on a new MiniMac as server for a (very) small office.
I really don't need a server but I need a Wiki, an iCal server and some help for the rights management...
Can anyone suggest some software to use intead of installing the Leopard Server?
thanks guys,
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iMovie used to refuse to run on server - I don't know if this is still the case though.
I have installed an run the iCal server on Leopard client - it's very easy to do if you are familiar with unix-ish things, although configuration was a complete mystery to me.
You could download and install Media Wiki quite easily, although I don't think the user experience will be as nice as Apple's offering.
To be honest, if you're in a business that it's probably much more cost effective to just spend the moderate amount of money that server costs, than to waste you time (=money) fiddling with open source apps that will ultimately not feel as polished and integrated.
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Originally Posted by Brass
iCal server is open source (Darwin Calendar Server) and will install on almost anything with the prerequisites installed (haven't tried it myself yet, but do plan to). Many freeware wiki's are available too.
I've used it a fair bit, and delegation doesn't work optimally without an Open Directory server right now according to the developers, and OS X Server as I understand it makes configuring an OD server fairly easy.
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Originally Posted by paolomazzo
I've got exactly the same problem: Leopard Client runnin on a new MiniMac as server for a (very) small office.
I really don't need a server but I need a Wiki, an iCal server and some help for the rights management...
Can anyone suggest some software to use intead of installing the Leopard Server?
thanks guys,
You can use any Wiki you like (Mediawiki is the one that drives the Wikipedia), iCal server can be installed on client or any other Unix OS (see my last post about delegation), and I'm not sure exactly what you mean by rights management and what your goals are there.
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OS X Server can't (or won't) run iLife applications except for iTunes.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
OS X Server can't (or won't) run iLife applications except for iTunes.
Yep. The iLife applications all check to see what they're running on and refuse to run if they see they're running on Server.
I don't understand why, because there's no technical reason why they can't run.
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Bonjour printer sharing doesn't work out of the box. You have to turn on the built-in printer server.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
OS X Server can't (or won't) run iLife applications except for iTunes.
Originally Posted by Person Man
Yep. The iLife applications all check to see what they're running on and refuse to run if they see they're running on Server.
I don't understand why, because there's no technical reason why they can't run.
 Shall I post a screenshot tomorrow of iPhoto/iCal running on our server?
We're not talking xserves, are we?
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Why on Earth would you want to run iLife on a server anyway?
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Originally Posted by Person Man
Sometimes there are a few Apple programs that check to see if they are running on Server and refuse to run if they are. Something about "inappropriate use of server resources" (note it does NOT say this, but by blocking execution of those apps this is implied).
I don't think this is the case any more. Used to be in the Panther days but not anymore.
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It sounds like the Leopard client would work fine for what you want to do. The only limit would be that only 10 people could connect using AFP. (Though you can use FTP and SMB to get around that.)
In our data center, we have about 400 Macs running as servers for different people. The overwhelming majority of them just use the client. Out of the box it can do a lot, and if you need something like Mail or DNS there are 3rd party apps that make it real easy and can be had for under $30.
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Originally Posted by CatOne
I don't think this is the case any more. Used to be in the Panther days but not anymore.
iLife checks to see what it's running on and if it sees Server it refuses to run.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Why on Earth would you want to run iLife on a server anyway?
Let's say you have a home network that you want to configure with advanced options not available via Apple's GUI under OS X client but are very easy to configure using OS X Server. So you install it on one of your machines.
Since it's not an internet server you might still want to be able to use that computer as a regular workstation as well.
The real point is that Apple shouldn't make those kinds of arbitrary decisions for the user. There is no technical reason for iLife not to be able to run on OS X Server.
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Originally Posted by stukdog
It sounds like the Leopard client would work fine for what you want to do. The only limit would be that only 10 people could connect using AFP. (Though you can use FTP and SMB to get around that.)
Also sshfs, which I think is even better than both.
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Originally Posted by Person Man
iLife checks to see what it's running on and if it sees Server it refuses to run.
06 and 08 do this? That would be a bug.
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