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It is a very good movie, just not as earth-shattering-life-changing as people are claiming. I'm not really sure where this is going to end up in the annals of comic hero history. Better than Superman '78? F no. People that weren't alive then need to know that Superman was an event, not just some silly flick that came and went. It was a Donner film, a Williams score, based on one of the most beloved super heroes of all time, and they nailed it. I think if they look another look at the script, or perhaps put in a scene or two that was probably deleted which would explain a few things, it would have been better. That said, third act was a complete mess.

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By far the best DC movie since the Nolan Batman movies.
     
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By far the best DC movie since the Nolan Batman movies.
That's not saying much

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After thinking it over I've relaxed my views on WW. It was fine, I'd even say the first half was wonderful (heh) but that last half was pretty awful. So, first half 4/5 stars, last half 1.5/5, with an average of 2.5 (because the last means more than the first, to me). That still isn't a pass, IMO, since a movie needs a 3 to get approval, but if a person is really into DC comics' films, it's worth a watch and definitely not the worst to come out in the last several years. Better than BvS theatrical, not as good as MoS, just sort of in the middle.
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What I liked about the movie pretty much centered around WW as a character, and not so much the movie's plot.

I liked how there was some mystery to WW herself, and the history of her people. We knew that her motivations were pure and naive, but didn't know exactly what sort of decisions she would make. Part of this was because there aren't really any overpowered female superhero characters to function as some sort of model, so as a character she was sort of fresh with a clean slate.

I hope there are many more strong female characters like her in movies to come. I think the strong male character archetype has been pretty worn.
     
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What I liked about the movie pretty much centered around WW as a character, and not so much the movie's plot.
That's part of the problem. TOO much was spent on her. Everyone else was "disposable".

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"That Superman movie really spent too much time on Superman. I really wanted to learn more about Jimmy Olsen's character growth."
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It's her movie, she's allowed to be the main character. I thought WW did a pretty good job with her origin and culture shock in the real world, and a decent job with Steve Trevor's motives/empathy too. The other Amazons were real people too. Steve's buddies didn't have much time but I liked all of them and their POV.

Absolutely they could have kept all this good character stuff and also tidied the ending (see my previous nitpicks).
     
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That's part of the problem. TOO much was spent on her. Everyone else was "disposable".
It held my interest. There was never much depth to Lois Lane or Lex Luther either.
     
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"That Superman movie really spent too much time on Superman. I really wanted to learn more about Jimmy Olsen's character growth."
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It's her movie, she's allowed to be the main character. I thought WW did a pretty good job with her origin and culture shock in the real world, and a decent job with Steve Trevor's motives/empathy too. The other Amazons were real people too. Steve's buddies didn't have much time but I liked all of them and their POV.

Absolutely they could have kept all this good character stuff and also tidied the ending (see my previous nitpicks).


Do you think this movie would have been as strong with a male director, or do you think the female directing POV had a relevant impact on the results?
     
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Well made, but the third act was a mess.
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That said, third act was a complete mess.
So like...Dark Knight?

[EDIT] Fun (or not) idea: find a superhero movie in the last 15 years that didn't run 30 minutes too long and limp across the finish line.
     
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"That Superman movie really spent too much time on Superman. I really wanted to learn more about Jimmy Olsen's character growth."
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Jimmy Olsen wasn't a major character. Lois Lane was. I felt that Steve Trevor was just "there".

Also, the whole "you promised you'd take me to the war" dialog was eyeroll-inducing. The War isn't being held at Wembley Stadium. There were dialog bits like that which made me want to rewrite some parts.

Also...
 

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On the contrary starman, I thought Steve...
 


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[Do you think this movie would have been as strong with a male director, or do you think the female directing POV had a relevant impact on the results?
The only way to compare is apples to apples, and the only other cases to compare it too are Catwoman and Elektra, so... I think a female director might have helped guide certain positive decisions, like costume and history... But I would have felt fine with Joss Whedon directing also.
     
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[EDIT] Fun (or not) idea: find a superhero movie in the last 15 years that didn't run 30 minutes too long and limp across the finish line.
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[EDIT] Fun (or not) idea: find a superhero movie in the last 15 years that didn't run 30 minutes too long and limp across the finish line.
The Avengers
All three Captain America movies
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Also, while Gal looked great, and the action scenes (the ones that weren't pure CGI-fests) were very good, I found her acting to be merely adequate. I don't mean this as a slam against her abilities, but she'd benefit greatly from some advanced acting classes.
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The Avengers
All three Captain America movies
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Original Iron Man.
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Some of the xmen movies were excellent too... first two, and first class?
     
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Some of the xmen movies were excellent too... first two, and first class?
They are all good movies, but the original X-men is actually more than 15 years old and the second is close enough to that limit that I didn't bring it up anyway. First Class is fine but arguably did become a bit of mess at the end.
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Star Trek, Jack Ryan, probably some other, now Wonder Woman. Chris Pine does like riding a bike doesn't he?

I liked the film, as said already, its better than other DC films, Nolan Batman excepted. When the credits came up at the end, Etta Candy - Lucy Davis was a surprise, she sort of looked familiar, but I couldn't place her watching the film. Dawn from The Office (UK)...


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OK, so....been thinking about No Man's Land

 

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What scene were you watching?

 
     
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Still haven't seen it. Plan was to see it Friday.

At the moment, it's not going to be showing. At least in the three theatres it's showing right now.

Is this computer ****ery as they rearrange screens for Transformers, or is it actually only getting a 20 day wide release?
     
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The drop-off has been intense, like most other superhero films.
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WW actually had less dropoff than most superhero movies, with 43% to second weekend and 30% to third (doesn't say what it is 30% of, but from math it seems to 30% of second weekend). It is now outpacing MoS and Suicide Squad.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdow...c&id=dcuni.htm

Perhaps the entire industry assumed a more traditional dropoff and are now out of screens to show something on. I know that Sixth Sense back in the day had a negative dropoff (as in, more people saw it the second weekend than the first, and more the third than the second) and it threw the entire planning for cinemas into disarray.
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Well, for the Thursday matinee, we're the only people who have bought tickets so far.


As an aside, gawd I heart reserved seating at movies.

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WW actually had less dropoff than most superhero movies, with 43% to second weekend and 30% to third (doesn't say what it is 30% of, but from math it seems to 30% of second weekend). It is now outpacing MoS and Suicide Squad.
I wasn't talking about just DC.
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Drop-off is actually better than all the Marvel movies I could think of to check, and only Avengers and Iron Man come close. Even generally well-regarded Logan has a worse drop-off. Now the opening weekend was far from great, so it isn't like it is going to be some sort of best of all time - even beating BvS might be hard - but there is some bounce here.

(Boxoffiicemojo is the source for all of the above, BTW).
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They finally figured out the math and gave it screens for Friday.

Which is good, because that was ridiculous.
     
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Didn't see it until tonight.

Well, it was good for a DC movie I guess.
     
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I'm almost positive I got the censored ending, but I'm slightly doubting myself.

I distinctly remember thinking something was supposed to be happening to the skyline, but couldn't find it.

Looking at that GIF, it doesn't seem like it could be missed.
     
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I'm wondering it if was changed, I saw it Sunday and don't recall seeing any smoke.
     
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So, I disliked the first act. Except for the painted stories, I felt it lacked imagination.

Well, they were quite imaginative in terms of new ways to have gratuitous panty shots.
     
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Related, I definitely give the movie props for the fight coordination. It didn't feel like wire-fu.

However, the high frame rate shots were distracting.


Speaking of fight coordination, they showed the trailer for La Femme Atomic Blonde.

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I'm scanning your posts for criticism of Gal Gadot.

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Speaking of which, does this seem like utter bullcrap to the rest of y'all?

Countless fans came the Israeli-born actress' defense last week after news broke that she was paid just $300,000 for the summer blockbuster — but it turns out that sum isn't all that uncommon for a relatively unknown actor's first shot at a superhero flick.

Chris Evans was paid the same rate for his first "Captain America" film in 2011 and Chris Hemsworth reportedly raked in even less for his debut as Thor the same year.
Considering that these films are nearly guaranteed to be a financial (if not critical) success, how are these actors getting paid so little? "Little" being a relative term, of course.
     
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If that's what Evans and Helmsworth got paid, I am ok with it. She is an unknown.

Plus, she got the same amount for batman v Superman, where basically "all she did was one fight scene and check her email."
     
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I'm scanning your posts for criticism of Gal Gadot.

Tread lightly.
Nothing to criticize.

She rocked.
     
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Considering that these films are nearly guaranteed to be a financial (if not critical) success, how are these actors getting paid so little? "Little" being a relative term, of course.
In the case of Marvel, they sign contracts for multiple movies with an escalating pay scale, so the Chrises et al rake it in on the later movies.

I'm kind of OK with it. If the movie does poorly, then the mostly unknown leads got paid 300 grand for a single shoot plus some promotion and are free to do something else while the studio moves on to another idea. If the movie does well, the studio makes money and is incentivised to make a sequel where the actors are paid more, while still keeping costs sane. The only case where Marvel was forced to re-up was with Robert Downey Jr. He reportedly used that chance to not only get rich but to also improve the contracts for some of his co-stars, as he thought that they didn't get paid enough.
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The only case where Marvel was forced to re-up was with Robert Downey Jr. He reportedly used that chance to not only get rich but to also improve the contracts for some of his co-stars, as he thought that they didn't get paid enough.
Yet another reason to love the guy.
     
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I think it is partly that he feels obligated to pay it forward (he was essentially unemployable after coming out of jail, and is back partly because directors and other actors stood up for him) and partly because he wanted to keep the Avengers around and successful because it meant more paydays for him.

This is all rumors, but the story is that Marvel only signed up Chris Evans (Captain America) for all the Avengers movies. RDJ and Chris Hemsworth (Thor) each got 3+1 deals, 3 single movies and 1 Avengers, while Scarlett Johanssen only had a single picture deal. Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo both signed on for multi-picture deals, but it was always clear that they would be only part of the ensemble, never in solo movies, and neither was a superstar that opens movies anyway. Both the Chrises and ScarJo got $500k for Avengers, while Renner and Ruffalo reportedly got less. RDJ had this deal structured so he got a percent of the gross. As you may have noticed, Avengers did rather well - RDJ got north of $50 million for that movie alone. This did not pass unnoticed among the rest of the cast or the industry.

Marvel's thinking was that only Cap is essential to an Avengers movie - everyone else can be replaced. If Hemsworth didn't want to do it, well...I guess Thor is busy in Asgard right now, sorry about that, here is Vision instead. This also put a nice ceiling on the salary requests, as Marvel could say with some logic that they didn't want to pay anyone more than what they paid Cap, and his salary was set in stone already. The success of the Iron Man singles kinda killed that idea. Every market research Marvel and Disney could make made it clear that an Avengers 2 without RDJ would not sell. Marvel needed RDJ more than he needed them, and he knew it.

At the same time, Hemsworth had grown to be a big star, and apparently hated the diet and exercise regimen he had to do to be Thor. Do that for small time money when other studios wanted to pay him $5 million to show up? Why bother? ScarJo also demanded more money than Marvel was willing to offer.

At this point RDJ apparently pushed for better deals for his costars. He did not sign until Hemsworth and ScarJo were on board, and supposedly even pushed for Marvel to renegotiate some of the deals for actors they had already locked up. Just to add insult to injury, Joss Whedon (who clearly knew what he was doing) turned in a script that simply would not work without Tony Stark. Not Iron Man - Tony Stark. Marvel couldn't even put someone else in that armor.

So Marvel folded. The details of all of this are unknown, and while none of the others got anywhere near the payday RDJ got, they all seem happy now, and several of the stars have signed up for extra movies without much noise. At the same time the call sheet for Avengers 3 and 4 is absolutely bonkers, so Marvel clearly isn't going out of business because of actor salaries.
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And back on topic, WW has now beaten BvS on domestic gross and even has a few well-regarded Marvel singles behind it. Not too shabby.
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BvS
I'm going out on a limb here...

God, I hated this sooooooo much.
     
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And back on topic, WW has now beaten BvS on domestic gross and even has a few well-regarded Marvel singles behind it. Not too shabby.
Adjusted for inflation?

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Multiply BvS by 1.02.
     
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I only looked a couple of years back, and no, I did not adjust for inflation. at least Dr Strange and Captain America: Winter Soldier are behind it by a large enough margin that a few percent from inflation cannot possibly make up for it.
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Was Dr. Strange any good?
     
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Sorry, but WW is behind Winter Solder WITHOUT adjusting.

Winter Soldier WW: $714k
Wonder Woman WW: $708k

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He said domestic gross.

$346MM for WW, $259MM for WS.
     
 
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