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Alexanthros · Feb 5, 2001, 08:20 PM

Hello
I have been reading the Mhz myth topic on this forum , and I realised that G4's cannot compare with top PC proccesors.
Then I saw Apple saying that the 733 G4 is around 50% faster than the 1.4Mhz pentium .
Where is the truth?

mac freak · Feb 5, 2001, 09:22 PM

It all depends on the app.

In Photoshop, a G4 will win.
In Q3A, a P4 will win.

But, more apps are optimized for P4's than G4's, so...

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Castor · Feb 5, 2001, 09:44 PM

The Mac OS is more optimized for people

Jsnuff1 · Feb 5, 2001, 10:12 PM

lol wait untill the dual 733 comes out, it will beat the any pentium hands down

mindwaves · Feb 5, 2001, 10:13 PM

www.barefeats.com

Jsnuff1 · Feb 5, 2001, 10:16 PM

hey i just notcied your from greece, hehe that make 3 greeks now

me misha and you...ya pesemou ti yeinetia eftou stun patritha, pou apo tuv elltha eisai? soory bout my grammer im rusty

Alexanthros · Feb 5, 2001, 10:21 PM

I patrida einai kala an kai exase ton Ianni Xenaki xthes...
I am a musician , so the death pf a great Greek musician is sad.
xairetismata apo thessaloniki .

genesismac · Feb 5, 2001, 10:30 PM

That barefeats dude is biased. A lot of people suspect he tinkered with the benchmarks to make the G4 "faster." I wouldn't trust him.

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Jsnuff1 · Feb 5, 2001, 10:33 PM

apo tuv patra etho

lol greece barely has computers let alone apples, hehe never seen one over there...good choice though

olePigeon · Feb 5, 2001, 10:35 PM

It's all in the AltiVec.

Alexanthros · Feb 5, 2001, 10:54 PM

Greece barely has computers?
No way , We are loaded beyond any limit. Every ignorant here has a computer. (PC's ofcourse) .
Here only professional graphic designers and musicians have Apples.
I feel a little alone but nevermind...

Feb 6, 2001, 02:21 AM

Graeme Devine of Id software is currently optimizing Quake 3 for Altivec. Based on preliminary results, he says that Altivec "safely" puts Macs ahead of PCs. Take that how you will, but I suspect that once optimized for Altivec, Quake will run better on a mac, and Macs will soon be coveted gaming machiens.

hmurchison2001 · Feb 6, 2001, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by genesismac:
That barefeats dude is biased. A lot of people suspect he tinkered with the benchmarks to make the G4 "faster." I wouldn't trust him.

The same could be said for "ANY" benchmark. Rob Art Morgan at least has the ethics to retract benchmarks that seem off once he's found the flaw. One could easily argue that a P4 running at 1.4Ghz should NEVER lose to a G4 running at a "measly" 733Mhz. I think this aptly illustrates the point that the speed advantages are minute enough to make the decision of which platform to go with rest with what OS and apps a person needs to run more critical.

Cipher13 · Feb 6, 2001, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by Jsnuff1:
hey i just notcied your from greece, hehe that make 3 greeks now me misha and you...ya pesemou ti yeinetia eftou stun patritha, pou apo tuv elltha eisai? soory bout my grammer im rusty

4. Phobos.

Cipher13

top106 · Feb 6, 2001, 01:40 PM

G4 is easily faster than P4 in graphics intensive apps(altivec optimized) like Photoshop,Lightwave and Cinema 4D.With OS X it will be even faster.Even my G4/533 is 3% faster than a P4/1.5Ghz!!!.Also I'm from Greece.Apo Alexandroupoli.MAC RULES!!!!.Yparxoyn arketoi mac users sthn Ellada.

Alexanthros · Feb 6, 2001, 08:37 PM

Hello
Pentium 4 is not so fastafter all , it has problems .Software has to be optimized for it in order to show its power. As the market is dominated by PCs , I am sure many software designers will please intel.
The 1.2Mhz Athlon is fast and I think Apple must do better than a 733Mhz
proccesor.
Hey Greek Mac users!
We should do a fun club or something in order to make Machintosh more accepted in Greece .

ariella · Feb 6, 2001, 08:41 PM

wow, a 1.4mhz pentium 4 and a 1.2mhz athlon. almost fast enough to be in a palm pilot. i think you mean ghz.

Jsnuff1 · Feb 6, 2001, 09:53 PM

cypher u really from greece? hehe thats cool

babble · Feb 7, 2001, 04:19 PM

Anyway, ain't both systems vaporware for now?

We'll have to wait and see...

dbergstrom · Feb 7, 2001, 05:27 PM

Whether the Barefeats benchmarks are valid or not, pay attention to the systems he's testing.

This is from memory: the mac has 256MB of RAM and the Pentiums 128MB. Granted, Windows doesn't do well with large amounts of RAM (read this somewhere, forget where) but it still should be a factor.

G4 still rules in my book! Pentium four needs a small nuclear reactor to give it the power it goobles!

phobos · Feb 7, 2001, 05:35 PM

Hey I think you forgot me.I'm greek too.
Re paidia ma ntropi sas na me ksexasete.Telospanton ti na kanoume.The to anexto.

Norm1985 · Feb 7, 2001, 07:56 PM

Look at things this way... On most things the Pentium 4 is actually slower than a 1.2GHz Athlon Thunderbird or even a 1GHz Pentium in most tasks. Only Quake III did it beat out in anything. Now you may say, the G4 dosen't have that many fully compatable apps either, esspecally with multiprocessing... Mac OS X client will offer full support for both except within the Classic enviroment. So all Cocoa/Carbon apps will be a hell of a lot faster than a Pentium 4. So unless you're just going to be using your computer for Quake III, get a G4.

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