[Kerrigan]

The fakest an ugliest so far:

[Landos Mustache]

Needs more blurry.

[paul w]

Originally Posted by greenamp

Looks like a high rez print out.

DING DING DING!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYF3BpbFI9c

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by GSixZero

The iPhone will either be the 'iPod' of cell phones... revolutionary and wildly successful, or a total flop.

The problem is that the service providers have a total lock on the industry. Since they are the ones buying handsets, they say what technologies go into handsets, and what doesn't. They don't want wi-fi and VOIP since they sell service. They don't want it to be easy to drop a new MP3 from your iTunes into the ringtones folder, since they like charging $3 dollars for that.

For Apple to build a phone how Apple wants it, they'd have to basically go it on their own, 'cause the providers are used to getting their way.

With all of that said, Apple could totally flip the industry on its head by building a phone that everyone wants, that is totally awesome, and which sells like hotcakes -- outside of the service providers. If they can convince people that it's worth walking over to an Apple store and paying $400 for the Apple kick ass phone rather than getting a free razr, it will change the US cell phone industry.

But if Apple doesn't do it right, it'll be overpriced and underfeatured. It'll sell a few and then be gone, ala ROKR, or FLOPR as I like to call it.

I totally agree.

I think one thing Apple could do to help alleviate some of the hurdles and restrictions that the providers place on them would be to strike a big deal with some young hip service provider. I'm not talking about the Sprints/T-Mobile's/Cingular's of the world.. but one that is new and caters more to the younger demographic. This would be the type of provider who would welcome Apple and help them bring technologies to the market that the people demand, but the bigger providers don't like.

I'm very excited to see what Apple comes up with. I'm certain they will unveil something at WWDC. And anyone that knows Apple should be expecting something great.

[GSixZero]

Originally Posted by paul w

DING DING DING!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYF3BpbFI9c

Wow... It looks really light. I wonder how apple managed to put all the electronics inside that paper thin surface?

[lpkmckenna]

Why do people want Apple to make a phone? More importantly: why do you think it will be any good?

I love Apple, but it usually takes them a few revisions to make something truly "great."

Remember the lousy 3G iPod "buttons" that came before the marvelous 4G click-wheel?
Remember the Finder? 6 years later, and they still haven't FTFF!
Spotlight is ok, but without boolean search it's pretty lame.
Apple shipped Dashboard without any clear method of managing widgets.
Mighty Mouse? Not so mighty.

I have no faith that Apple can "re-invent" the phone.

People expect an iPod-like revolution. More likely, it'll be a Pippin- or Newton-style disaster.

I hope I'm wrong, but Apple has let us down too often.

[version]

Looks really, reallly fookin sh!t. They need to make it look cool, not based on the iPod. I'm thinking a slimmer V3.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

I saw it the other day. Two hinges on a phone? That would get annoying really fast.

Not only annoying but easily breakable.

Why not one hinge with a swivel ability?

[version]

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

Not only annoying but easily breakable.

Why not one hinge with a swivel ability?

Apple needs to break from the, 'white, curved plastic' of the iPod. Phones are different in terms of how one handles them, adn Apple to adopt the shaping of the iPod is a big mistake, IMO.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

The fakest an ugliest so far:

Yeah, that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Just what every iPod needs is a keyboard. Just what every phone needs is to not fit in a briefcase.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by version

Apple needs to break from the, 'white, curved plastic' of the iPod. Phones are different in terms of how one handles them, adn Apple to adopt the shaping of the iPod is a big mistake, IMO.

I think that the two hinged video is the best so far, but still not happening.

[version]

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

I think that the two hinged video is the best so far, but still not happening.

yeah, i know what you mean, my friend. thing is; most of us are quite particular for designs. My g/f loves her nokia, but i liek my motorola; yet i know ohters who love the v3 and so on. ~GUess it's difficult to produce something that will satisfy most,

[DigitalEl]

Originally Posted by ::maroma::

I think one thing Apple could do to help alleviate some of the hurdles and restrictions that the providers place on them would be to strike a big deal with some young hip service provider. I'm not talking about the Sprints/T-Mobile's/Cingular's of the world.. but one that is new and caters more to the younger demographic. This would be the type of provider who would welcome Apple and help them bring technologies to the market that the people demand, but the bigger providers don't like.

You do realize that most/all of the "young, hip" service providers are marketing gimmicks by the big companies, right? Even the ones that aren't lease infrastructure from those same big companies. Even if Apple were to go its own way, it'd still have to contract with these telecomm giants to make it work... And that's if they choose to play.

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Why do people want Apple to make a phone? More importantly: why do you think it will be any good?

Because it can't get much worse. There are compromises with most all devices claiming Mac compatibility. I want something that's as easy to use as an early-90s Sharp Wizard, as ever-present as my BlackBerry and which syncs to my Mac as effortlessly as only an Apple product could.

Seriously, I would pay real money for such a device and switch service providers, if necessary, too!

[olePigeon]

If they made a phone the same size as the iPod nano (and made it look similar) I'd buy one. That'd be pretty sweet.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by version

~GUess it's difficult to produce something that will satisfy most,

No, it's not.

Fugly PCs have a market share of 95%. See, it's not that hard

-t

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

If they made a phone the same size as the iPod nano (and made it look similar) I'd buy one. That'd be pretty sweet.

LOL, yeah, why don't they add battery capacity, more buttons, more complex electronics w/o adding to weight and size. Can't be that hard

-t

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

LOL, yeah, why don't they add battery capacity, more buttons, more complex electronics w/o adding to weight and size. Can't be that hard

-t

It's called magic. Look it up.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Mock it up.

Fixinated.

-t

[Mediaman_12]

Originally Posted by DigitalEl

You do realize that most/all of the "young, hip" service providers are marketing gimmicks by the big companies, right? Even the ones that aren't lease infrastructure from those same big companies. Even if Apple were to go its own way, it'd still have to contract with these telecomm giants to make it work... And that's if they choose to play.

They could (in theory) sell a 'network neutral' phone in Europe (does the Mobile market not work like that in the USA?). So you would be free to go and get a contract & sim with whichever provider you wanted. However this would be next to impossible to market as most people never 'see' the real price of a phone, as it's all bundled together in all sorts of deals and billing contracts. The Apple contract free phone would appear to be a massively expensive one off cost compared to something like this latest Sony k800 (with a 3.2 Megapixel cam) for around �30 per month.

[Kerrigan]

Apple has a great sense of style, but a lot of Mac enthusiasts have none whatsoever. There have been some really idiotic Apple mockups in the past:

http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/a...tled-1%7E1.jpg
http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/a...%20Concept.jpg
I rest my case.

This is the only good iPhone concept which I've seen so far:
http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/a...podconcept.jpg
But even still, it looks more like a Zune than an iPod.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

This is the only good iPhone concept which I've seen so far:
http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/a...podconcept.jpg
But even still, it looks more like a Zune than an iPod.

Hmm... Maybe if the click-wheel pulled all the way down to reveal a phone keypad.

[Tom_mac]

the i phone looks like it could easilly snap and also looks like a chocolate phone from verision.

[Velocity211]

I hope that's not the real thing, because it's really ugly.

[iREZ]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Remember the lousy 3G iPod "buttons" that came before the marvelous 4G

speak for yourself...3g ipod was a HUGE seller and i didnt mind the touch buttons at all. its the only ipod without movable buttons and the last of the all white ipods.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by iREZ

speak for yourself...3g ipod was a HUGE seller and i didnt mind the touch buttons at all. its the only ipod without movable buttons and the last of the all white ipods.

Plus, the backlight was nice. And no accidental clicks.
I wouldn't say the click-wheel was THAT much of an improvement.

-t

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by iREZ

speak for yourself...3g ipod was a HUGE seller and i didnt mind the touch buttons at all. its the only ipod without movable buttons and the last of the all white ipods.

Because of those stupid buttons I ended selling mine sooner than normal.

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by greenamp

That phone is ugly as hell.

I agree. It is pretty ugly.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by loki74

Meh...

The thing does look fragile; I think a phone would demand a slightly different design than traditional Apple designs. I hope it does well, though.

Personally, I'd rather have a Treo 650 ('cause the 700 uses that Windows Mobile crap) or an SE P910.

The 700w uses Windows Mobile. The 700p uses Palm OS.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

The 700w uses Windows Mobile. The 700p uses Palm OS.

Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.

[KeyLimePi]

"It's not a tuma!"

[MikeD]

I just saw for the first time all these Disney Mobile commercials where the parents could track their kids with built in GPS on the phones. There were also all sorts of other neat features. Do you think that there may be a connection??

Mike

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.

Ok. What's your point ?

-t

[Kerrigan]

It's a quote from that move Kindgarten Cop, where children state the obvious to one another.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

LOL, yeah, why don't they add battery capacity, more buttons, more complex electronics w/o adding to weight and size. Can't be that hard

-t

The front would look just like a Nano, then it'd slide up (like some phones) and have the phone part underneath. Or maybe have a fliptop.

[Amorya]

Originally Posted by DigitalEl

You do realize that most/all of the "young, hip" service providers are marketing gimmicks by the big companies, right? Even the ones that aren't lease infrastructure from those same big companies. Even if Apple were to go its own way, it'd still have to contract with these telecomm giants to make it work... And that's if they choose to play.

No they wouldn't. The GSM service providers will take anything that can take a SIM card. Apple makes phone that takes SIM card and sells it. Anyone who wants to use it on their existing GSM account jsut pops the card in it. If you don't already have a SIM card, then you can buy the SIM alone for about £1 in the UK, and I imagine you can in the US too.

If they do that and it takes off, networks would then step up and start offering it. If everyone wants the Apple phone, they'll offer it even if it does have wifi and VOIP. Besides, Nokia's E series phones are getting offered by networks, and they have both of those features; but before they were offered, they were available as SIM-free for around £350.

[FulcrumPilot]

Goddamed too expensive!

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Amorya

No they wouldn't.

Yes and no.

Apple could sell it w/o a contract to end customers, but the price would be so high that it would not sell well. Much better is if telcom providers offer the phones subsidized with a 1 or 2 yr contract. That makes the phones cheap or even free, and hence, will give it a much better chance of success.

-t

[Googer-Giger]

There seems like there will be enough to unveil at the WWDC this year, it just doesn't seem realistic enough to be this year...

[Kerrigan]

What about that "insider" dude whose brother works at Apple, and who said that we should be ready for a "dizzying" amount of product releases? Right now, the rumor sites have only managed to pin down a single product, the Mac Pro. There has to be other stuff.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.

Wait we're all sharing one now! Frick how am I supposed to ever get laid now!

[Eug]

Originally Posted by macfantn

NOW this is a nice mock up

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...2e92ee7.475209

Hey, that's pretty sweet.

I wonder how long it took to create that video.

P.S. Who's music is that?

[ApeInTheShell]

People suck at making videos. You think since we have three computers with built in webcams plus an optional iSight camera that people who are breaking their NDA's with Apple could at least present a video that shows the phone in perfect clarity(during daylight hours), not be from some obscure country, and show features people care about. Video chat? Music? Movies? Anything? If Apple releases any phone I hope they hunt down these people and sue them. Ban them from the entire product line too. But then again, they probably used a webcam on a PC.

[volcano]

Originally Posted by Eug

Hey, that's pretty sweet.

I wonder how long it took to create that video.

P.S. Who's music is that?

"In The Waiting Line" by Zero 7.

[Googer-Giger]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

What about that "insider" dude whose brother works at Apple, and who said that we should be ready for a "dizzying" amount of product releases? Right now, the rumor sites have only managed to pin down a single product, the Mac Pro. There has to be other stuff.

Better Macbooks
New OS
Mac Pro
New iPod
Not Enough for you?

[slugslugslug]

Originally Posted by Googer-Giger

Better Macbooks
New OS
Mac Pro
New iPod
Not Enough for you?

The new OS is being previewed and distributed to developers, not released. The Mac Pro is in the bag, but as Kerrigan mentioned, the rumor sites are hedging their bets on the iPod and MacBooks. In fact, most of 'em are saying the iPods won't show up till fall. So what we've got are a new desktop line and a maybe laptop update that probably won't have any particularly surprising features. Not dizzying. I agree that there has to be more.

Or Scoble's talking out his ass. His brother's employment at Apple doesn't necessarily mean much.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by Googer-Giger

Better Macbooks
New OS (not being released)
Mac Pro
New iPod (most rumor sites say it's being delayed)
Not Enough for you?

So like I said, only the Mac Pro is known so far.

There has to be other stuff that we don't know about.

[NateEssex]

Originally Posted by macfantn

NOW this is a nice mock up

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...2e92ee7.475209

I agree. That looks like a hot phone. I might even retire my Treo 650 for something like that. It all comes down to apps for me.

Many are posting about the cost of the phone. If the new phone has a decent hard drive for mp3s, then would it be worth it? If it had 1 gig? 4 gig? 8 gig? It truly could be a convergent device to allow me not to have an iPod and a cell phone. Since people are already paying hundreds of dollars for iPods, why wouldn't they pay the same or a little more for an iPod/phone? It certainly sounds good to me. I'm hoping for an iPhone, iTalk or whatever they may call it.

As far as roll out, that's up for debate. If it's GSM, I can pop my Cingular sim out of my Treo and put it right into a new phone Well, wishful thinking. We'll see tomorrow. Nite nite!