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Long story short, working on a colleagues comuter at her house came across a porn folder, thought nothing of it, except that maybe she was into kink! haha

Happened upon the folder again yesterday and all the pics were definitely underage.

What is my obligation regarding busting her? What would you do?

It doesn't help that she is a superior and I am in line next for her job.... Looks bad. I was thinking I should just forget it, or do something anonymous but I am not sure.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 12:18 PM
 
Yikes... well, because I'm in education, if I saw that on my bosses computer, I would definitely have a legal responsibility to report it. In your case... that's tough. Anonymous probably is what I would go for.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 12:19 PM
 
youll get yourself so worked up that you wouldnt be able to work due to guilt. kiddie porn is one of the biggest evils of this world.
so ****ing what if your the "successor to the thrown." bust that bitch. it would look even worse if you didnae turn her in.
imagine if you found say, a child of a friends of yours, on the interweb, how would you feel?
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zerostar  (op)
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Aug 11, 2006, 12:20 PM
 
yes I have been thining about this all night and now today....
     
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get your bum off that chair and stop starring at the black hole of macnn and go to the police right now. don't do it over the phone, dont do it annoy. go down there with the name of your boss, the address, and what you have seen. what time, why you were at your bosses house, ect

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Aug 11, 2006, 12:24 PM
 
I am stuck where I am at till the end of the day... should I just go to the local station tonight?
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 12:40 PM
 
I'm in education like Matt, but I would feel an obligation to report it regardless. If you're definitely sure the kids are underage, go for it.

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Aug 11, 2006, 12:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by zerostar
It doesn't help that she is a superior and I am in line next for her job.... Looks bad. I was thinking I should just forget it, or do something anonymous but I am not sure.
You're going to the police, not to the management at your job. Don't mention it to anyone at your job or anyone else you know - don't burden them with the knowledge of a crime and leave them in the same anguish you're in.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 12:45 PM
 
If you're definitely sure that...

1) They're underage.
2) They're actually porn (the OP suggests that the folder was labelled "porn" or something).
3) They're not her nieces or nephews in innocent photos.

...then report it.
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Aug 11, 2006, 12:57 PM
 
Without a doubt, go to the police. If you are positive that they are underage, your boss is a sick freak who deserves to be paid a visit by the boys in blue.

There are very few things in this world that disgust me like these perverted deranged asshats.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:00 PM
 
I have not told anyone at my work, fact is there is only 3 of us who are together in this building.
I am 100% sure they are lewd pictures and they are underage, there is several hundred of them.
I am going to the police when I can get out today and they will do whatever they do about it.

Thanks for the suggestions/prodding.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:01 PM
 
A underage porn bust on a WOMAN? Wow, that's something kindof uncommon.

But like everyone else said, you better be sure they are underage before running to the police. Hopefully she doesn't say that you planted them when you were working on her computer so that she would get fired.

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Aug 11, 2006, 01:03 PM
 
Originally Posted by zerostar
Happened upon the folder again yesterday and all the pics were definitely underage.
By underage, do you mean 'barley legal' looking 16-17 year olds or are the kids prepubescent?

If I stumbled upon kiddie porn on a colleagues computer, I'd lose my lunch.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:07 PM
 
this was for sure kiddie, not barely legal.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:09 PM
 
"Call the poliiice."

Ok, in all seriousness, you should go to the authorities and let them know. People that collect and view this stuff are the lowest form of humanity.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by waxcrash
By underage, do you mean 'barley legal' looking 16-17 year olds or are the kids prepubescent?

If I stumbled upon kiddie porn on a colleagues computer, I'd lose my lunch.
I have a friend who worked with the FBI (on a contract thing) unlocking/decrypting info on computers of suspected child porn owners.

He said he did lose his lunch a few times and ended up quitting the job.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by zerostar
this was for sure kiddie, not barely legal.
I can't believe you can stand finishing out the day breathing the same air as her.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:11 PM
 
unfortunately the folder was in "filmstrip" mode I guess so I saw a big one and the thumbs of many many others.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:12 PM
 
Originally Posted by davesimondotcom
I can't believe you can stand finishing out the day breathing the same air as her.
Oh, I am home for the day watching my child (wife has the day off so to speak :-) so I don't want to take her down town with me.

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Aug 11, 2006, 01:16 PM
 
thats sweet of you zerostar. since you have a rugrat of your own, that will be an even bigger incentive to bust the gal
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:16 PM
 
Leave work out of it and contact the cops for sure.

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Aug 11, 2006, 01:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by zerostar
Oh, I am home for the day watching my child (wife has the day off so to speak :-) so I don't want to take her down town with me.

hence all the time for MacNN today
Well, when you can go to the police, congrats on doing the right thing. Anyone who knows anyone who has been molested - and of course, the victims - owes you a bit of thanks.

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Aug 11, 2006, 01:20 PM
 
CALL THE POLICE... NOW.

Then update us when the dust settles.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by brassplayersrock
thats sweet of you zerostar.

Well, the benefit is she goes shopping for me and I don't have to sit at the store trying stuff on all day haha so its not all altruistic. Alright, I am informed we are going to the park for a while.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:39 PM
 
Definitely a job for the authorities. Stop agonising over it, realize that you're going to do something about it and focus on that. Don't speak to anyone about it until you've spoken to the police/whoever, you don't want to start doubting yourself - you saw what you saw, you cannot ignore it or try and explain it away - that's not your job.

Be prepared to be asked a ton of questions, and you may have to go into a bit of detail which'll be tough for you, but it'll highlight the extent of the issue.

Good luck zerostar, by all means come back and update us, but if you do be very very careful what you say on here or anywhere else. You've been circumspect enough so far, that's good.

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Aug 11, 2006, 01:40 PM
 
So no one else thinks he could be dragged in pretty deep because he was on her computer twice and she is a superior of his (whom he said he would get her spot if she were to leave)? I mean couldn't she claim he planted it?
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:42 PM
 
This is a difficult situation, to be sure. I can understand why you'd hesitate. These kinds of accusations are very serious things, and not the sort you want to be mistaken about.

One question: was what you found actual depictions -photos, vides, and that sort of thing- or drawings and stories? If you found any actual depictions, then you should contact the police immediately.

Drawings, stories, and such are more of a legal grey area, since you can't prove that any actual children were involved in the process of making the stuff. Of course, most people who have drawings and stories also have actual depictions, which are prima facie evidence that children were involved in their own creation, and so they end up being convicted anyway. But there have been a few people caught with only drawings and/or stories, and some of them have mounted a successful legal defense based on not having any actual depictions. Whether or not the legal situation should be changed is a matter of fierce debate, and it's not my intent to get into that here.

If you only found drawings and stories, then it's more of a judgment call on your part. Given that you didn't see the whole collection, I would contact the police regardless: they're in a better position to investigate further.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:43 PM
 
if the police are logical, they might suspect zerostar of doing so torsoboy under the circumstances given by you, BUT, when they dig deeper then i'm sure they'll see that he had no doings in putting that filth onto his bosses computer

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Originally Posted by torsoboy
So no one else thinks he could be dragged in pretty deep because he was on her computer twice and she is a superior of his (whom he said he would get her spot if she were to leave)? I mean couldn't she claim he planted it?
That's why the police should investigate. Among other things, they may be able to establish when the stuff got onto her machine. That could very well preclude any possibility that he planted the stuff.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:46 PM
 
She could claim that, but that wouldn't likely cause problems for him. There will be at most no more evidence that he planted it than that she downloaded it, so at worst nobody will be punished. Also, she probably has some on her home computer too (not too many people leave their child porn at work), whereas he doesn't.
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:55 PM
 
I have no question about him not being guilty of anything, I would just feel really nervous myself. It could take a big part of your life for a little while it seems if they question your motives at all.

But let me be clear, I would also recommend going to the police.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 01:58 PM
 
Questions arose in late 1990's as whether the depiction of mere nudity of minors could constitute obscenity. After the U.S. Customs Service seized in 1998 over 200 nudist magazines sent from Europe that featured nude depictions of minors, a court case ensued in which an appellate court ruled in 2000 that depictions of nude minors engaging in activities otherwise normal for their age cannot be held obscene [1]. The court based it rulling partly on a previous Supreme Court ruling that had concluded that mere nudity in and of itself does not constitute obscenity.
So if these are just pictures of naked kids (not involved in sex acts) I guess it is not kiddie-porn. I didn't realize that before. So you can have hundreds of pictures of naked kids, so long as they are not involved in anything "obscene".
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by brassplayersrock
I didn't see any pics there. j/k

Yeah, bust her. At the computer store I worked we busted a couple of guys that brought their machines in to be worked on.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by baw
I didn't see any pics there.


edit
someone edited there post

"At the computer store I worked we busted a couple of guys that brought their machines in to be worked on."
I've heard that happening other places as well. stupid stupid people
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:34 PM
 
Hmm I didn't see any sex acts just a provocative pose.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by zerostar
Hmm I didn't see any sex acts just a provocative pose.
Some people would call that art.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:35 PM
 
still though, you didnae see everything on the puter. report it still.....please
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by zerostar
Hmm I didn't see any sex acts just a provocative pose.

I think provocative poses on naked kids counts. Didn't mean to make you second guess it... just call the police and get it over with.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:37 PM
 
good lord. go to the policia as soon as you can.

and make sure you update us on what happens.
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:38 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chuckit
Also, she probably has some on her home computer too (not too many people leave their child porn at work), whereas he doesn't.
The first line of the thread states he was working 'on a colleagues comuter at her house.'
     
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Aug 11, 2006, 02:39 PM
 
right I obviously didn't see everything but the folder was full of photos and possibly movie files as well. I will definetely report her today, iv'e made up my mind.
     
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to the people who wants updates:
if this does indeed lead to something bigger, zerostar will probably not be able to talk about in very much details about what happens. i know this is a "no s sherlock" comment, but just wanted to get it out there

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Aug 11, 2006, 02:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by baw
I didn't see any pics there. j/k
That made me LOL. I couldn't help it! I'm so ashamed.

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Aug 11, 2006, 02:59 PM
 
You have to report it. And if her office computer is searched and they find more underage porn, she won't be your superior for long. Plus, your company will probably even be thankful. She won't be, but you have a moral obligation to do something.

Something similar happened a few years ago when a former boss of mine found kiddie porn on a former co-worker's computer. (One of his `contacts' misspelled his e-mail address and the server admin found it. His desk and computers were searched and they found more. The police was called two hours later and he lost his job on the spot.) The sad part is that I rather liked him.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie
Something similar happened a few years ago when a former boss of mine found kiddie porn on a former co-worker's computer. (One of his `contacts' misspelled his e-mail address and the server admin found it. His desk and computers were searched and they found more. The police was called two hours later and he lost his job on the spot.) The sad part is that I rather liked him.
Wild. A former colleague of mine was busted in Denver for being a major ecstasy cook/dealer and having an army-sized automatic weapons cache. We worked for the same company, but in different cities. I'd had drinks with the guy and he was well liked by everyone... Even promoted from front-line grunt to management. Needless to say, it came as a major shock.

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I like the Cliche tags.
     
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Originally Posted by zerostar
right I obviously didn't see everything but the folder was full of photos and possibly movie files as well. I will definetely report her today, iv'e made up my mind.
good for you i'm proud that your doing the absolute right thing in reporting her.


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Does this woman live by herself?
     
 
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