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jock
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Apr 17, 2002, 04:41 AM
 
Apparently this was released to developers last night
"10.1.4 will not be released. New beta marked 10.1.5 posted tonight
5S37 includes the following fixes so far:

2846943 SharedIP: classic can't connect to localhost tcp server
2833877 PumaSU2: Sherlock crashes after several searches
2877829 Mail may crash constantly on OS X 10.1.2 machines

Carbon enhancements,
Networking tweaks concerning iDisk
Sound tweaks."
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 07:07 AM
 
Originally posted by jock:
<STRONG>Sound tweaks.</STRONG>
That better include a fix for the no sound on wake from sleep bug.

[ 04-17-2002: Message edited by: kennethmac2000 ]
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 07:13 AM
 
I'm running 10.1.4 Build 5S40 Server on OS X Client. I used Pacifist to install the package. My computer thinks it's OS X Server now.
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 08:36 AM
 
Originally posted by jock:
<STRONG>Apparently this was released to developers last night
"10.1.4 will not be released.</STRONG>
Ya right. I don't think Apple is going to skip 10.1.4.

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Apr 17, 2002, 08:43 AM
 
Yep. I don't see why they should skip 10.1.4 - Unless they feel we deserve a higher version number for waiting so long for this update...
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Apr 17, 2002, 08:58 AM
 
10.1.4 could most definitely exist, maybe just to developers only. It could be the same way how Netscape jumped up to version 6 from version 4 after they found that they couldn't create a decent version 5 to be released for the public.
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Apr 17, 2002, 09:02 AM
 
Originally posted by Danny Ricci:
<STRONG>I'm running 10.1.4 Build 5S40 Server on OS X Client. I used Pacifist to install the package. My computer thinks it's OS X Server now.</STRONG>
Are you kidding? This is possible? If this is the case, I can only foresee Apple either A: leveling their legal gun right along the bridge of Pacifict's nose (which would be a damn shame, because Pacifict is quite useful); or B: drastically changing the package structure of their updates.

On the other hand, this is hilarious! Danny, does your system still seem to be functioning normally? Fill us in on the details!
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Apr 17, 2002, 09:14 AM
 
Thye did jump a version number before-- from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5.
7.5.4 was never available to the hoi-polloi...
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 09:51 AM
 
Originally posted by ls -al:
<STRONG>Thye did jump a version number before-- from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5.
7.5.4 was never available to the hoi-polloi...</STRONG>
7.5.4 was installed on some clones.

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Apr 17, 2002, 11:29 AM
 
Originally posted by Danny Ricci:
<STRONG>I'm running 10.1.4 Build 5S40 Server on OS X Client. I used Pacifist to install the package. My computer thinks it's OS X Server now.</STRONG>
I checked the package to see what it included - it was a total of two files. The MailService thingy that controls sendmail, and a new version for the "About this Mac" box. Big deal.
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Apr 17, 2002, 11:31 AM
 
Originally posted by ls -al:
<STRONG>Thye did jump a version number before-- from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5.
7.5.4 was never available to the hoi-polloi...</STRONG>
True, they realised that they had forgot to include some of the files needed into the 7.5.4 update and pulled it after less than an hour.
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Apr 17, 2002, 11:35 AM
 
Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
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Ya right. I don't think Apple is going to skip 10.1.4.</STRONG>
No, they just said so, right? They are going to ship one more update before 10.2 though, 10.1.5 probably. If you really need evidence, check the build numbers of 10.1.3, the security update and 10.1.4 server: 5Q48 (I think), 5Q110 and then 5S40. They keep incrementing. If they have stopped development of 10.1.x, why do they still build it?
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Apr 17, 2002, 11:38 AM
 
Originally posted by P:
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No, they just said so, right? They are going to ship one more update before 10.2 though, 10.1.5 probably. If you really need evidence, check the build numbers of 10.1.3, the security update and 10.1.4 server: 5Q48 (I think), 5Q110 and then 5S40. They keep incrementing. If they have stopped development of 10.1.x, why do they still build it?</STRONG>
They said so? Where did Apple say that?

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Apr 17, 2002, 11:50 AM
 
Originally posted by rgoer:
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Are you kidding? This is possible? If this is the case, I can only foresee Apple either A: leveling their legal gun right along the bridge of Pacifict's nose (which would be a damn shame, because Pacifict is quite useful); or B: drastically changing the package structure of their updates.

On the other hand, this is hilarious! Danny, does your system still seem to be functioning normally? Fill us in on the details!</STRONG>

All it did was update my Send mail and change all the OS X Client logos to OS X Server. Oh, and it broke my multi user selection login screen. I have to type in names manually no matter what I do. Hmph, I hope the next update can restore everything back to normal, that is, even if it will install over this now.
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 11:53 AM
 
Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
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Ya right. I don't think Apple is going to skip 10.1.4.</STRONG>
They could skip 10.1.4 to avoid confusion between server and client.
They obviously had to release 10.1.4 Server quickly to sort out mail problems. Next they will release 10.1.5 for client and server.

I don�t see why this is a problem.
Nothing to see, move along.
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 01:54 PM
 
Originally posted by I Bent My Wookiee:
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They said so? Where did Apple say that?</STRONG>
Ehhm... The message at the top of this thread?
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Apr 17, 2002, 02:12 PM
 
Originally posted by P:
<STRONG>

Ehhm... The message at the top of this thread?</STRONG>
Sorry, my bad. I didn't realize some guy nobody knows posting from Australia was Apples new way of distributing press releases.

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Apr 17, 2002, 02:15 PM
 
It's their own rules. They can skip version numbers if they want. They probably need to because whatever they release later will have more bug fixes that 10.1.4 that was just released for OS X server.

I predict 10.1.5 by early May. And we'll all be using that until 10.2 releases in MW July.

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Apr 17, 2002, 02:18 PM
 
Originally posted by Danny Ricci:
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All it did was update my Send mail and change all the OS X Client logos to OS X Server. Oh, and it broke my multi user selection login screen. I have to type in names manually no matter what I do. Hmph, I hope the next update can restore everything back to normal, that is, even if it will install over this now.</STRONG>
That's your own fault. Did you read correctly?
It was the MacOS X Server 10.1.4 update. MacOS X Server is actually just a heavy patch of the old Appleshare IP and has nothing to do with the system. This means an update of the Server components only.

I believe that before if you had Server you needed to update two times. One time to OS X 10.1.3 and the second to OS X Server 10.1.3
These updates get incorperated into eachother after several days, but are seperate initially I believe.

Don't expect it to get fixed. I don't see why a OSX 10.1.4 or .5 update would reset the os x server mode property of your system.

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Apr 17, 2002, 03:51 PM
 
Originally posted by rgoer:
<STRONG>

Are you kidding? This is possible? If this is the case, I can only foresee Apple either A: leveling their legal gun right along the bridge of Pacifict's nose (which would be a damn shame, because Pacifict is quite useful); or B: drastically changing the package structure of their updates.

On the other hand, this is hilarious! Danny, does your system still seem to be functioning normally? Fill us in on the details!</STRONG>
Sure, you can install OS updates with Pacifist, although the currently available version, beta 4.1, has a bug that will cause it not to always get the permissions right on all the files, so unexpected behavior could occur. With an interim build that fixes the bug, I've installed 10.1 from scratch on a spare partition, and then installed all the updates up to 10.1.3 and both security updates, and it worked fine (Don't try this at home, though - installing the OS from scratch, even with the interim build of Pacifist, is a real pain and will *not* work with beta 4.1. The Installer doesn't just move files in the case of the OS install - you have to do a bunch of other crap to your disk to replicate all the stuff the Installer does. But it can be done and does work).

About the supposed legal issue - if Apple really were that concerned about this, they'd have to go "level their legal gun" at the pax utility as well, or at least not ship it with the OS. I don't think there's much to worry about here...

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Apr 17, 2002, 04:06 PM
 
Originally posted by Jansar:
<STRONG> It could be the same way how Netscape jumped up to version 6 from version 4 after they found that they couldn't create a decent version 5 to be released for the public.</STRONG>
heh. version 6 isn't anything to run home about.
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 04:17 PM
 
Originally posted by jock:
<STRONG>Apparently this was released to developers last night
"10.1.4 will not be released. New beta marked 10.1.5 posted tonight
5S37 includes the following fixes so far:</STRONG>
By the way. 10.1.4 is now out

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Apr 17, 2002, 04:17 PM
 
Well, turns out this info was bull. 10.1.4 is installing on my machine as I speak.
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 04:18 PM
 
Originally posted by jock:
<STRONG>Apparently this was released to developers last night
"10.1.4 will not be released. New beta marked 10.1.5 posted tonight
5S37 includes the following fixes so far:

2846943 SharedIP: classic can't connect to localhost tcp server
2833877 PumaSU2: Sherlock crashes after several searches
2877829 Mail may crash constantly on OS X 10.1.2 machines

Carbon enhancements,
Networking tweaks concerning iDisk
Sound tweaks."</STRONG>
Funny, I just downloaded 10.1.4 from software update...
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 04:24 PM
 
This is EXACTLY why you have to take posts on these forums with a grain of salt. I'm installing 10.1.4 as I write this...
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 05:11 PM
 
I wonder who told jock this information, or if he made it up himself.
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 05:38 PM
 
Maybe there will be a 10.1.5 coming out soon too? in June?
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 05:58 PM
 
I just want to say, this thread was a *lot* of fun to read after already having installed 10.1.4. I was hoping for speculation on 10.1.5, but this was probably far more entertaining. :-)
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 09:01 PM
 
Cheese Puff,
I got the information from Bondi blue over at the whirlpool.net.au forums, and yes I'm going to give him/her curry over this.... anyone want to join me
     
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Apr 17, 2002, 09:12 PM
 
Well, boys and girls. I hope we've all learned a lesson here.

Ie, Don't believe anyone who tells you that Apple told them (or their second cousin's best friend's dog) something, if they cannot prove it.
     
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Apr 18, 2002, 09:21 AM
 
I wonder if someone really tried to trick us or if it's an honest mistake. I can't help noticing that the build number for 10.1.4 server is a lot higher than the one for 10.1.4 client, implying that they sent out a fairly old build as 10.1.4 to fix the PPP bug and that 10.1.5 is indeed coming one of these days. If it was a trick, I admit that it got me...
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Apr 18, 2002, 10:46 AM
 
Originally posted by P:
<STRONG>I can't help noticing that the build number for 10.1.4 server is a lot higher than the one for 10.1.4 client, implying that they sent out a fairly old build as 10.1.4 to fix the PPP bug and that 10.1.5 is indeed coming one of these days. If it was a trick, I admit that it got me...</STRONG>
The build numbers on OSXS have always been different than OSX. But, it is just that... 'different'... not 'futher along'.
     
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Apr 18, 2002, 11:11 AM
 
Wait a second...

2846943 SharedIP: classic can't connect to localhost tcp server

What's THIS all about? Could it be Airport Software Base Station?
     
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Apr 18, 2002, 12:16 PM
 
Originally posted by oranjdisc:
<STRONG>Wait a second...

2846943 SharedIP: classic can't connect to localhost tcp server

What's THIS all about? Could it be Airport Software Base Station? </STRONG>
Software Base Station sucks! Too limited in range....

Do yourselves a favor and go buy and Agere RG-1100, then let the Apple Airport Admin Utility upgrade its firmware.

You get an Apple airport for $150 !
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perhaps jock just helped Apple pinpoint some leak... heh.
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