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JKT · 08:53 AM

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Edit - from that article:

"Mac OS X version 10.3 "Panther" will be available on October 24 beginning at 8:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $129 (US) for a single user license. Visitors to The Apple Store� (www.apple.com) can pre-order copies of Panther beginning today. The Mac OS X Panther Family Pack is a single-residence, five-user license that will be available for a suggested retail price of $199 (US). Volume and maintenance pricing is available from Apple. The standard Mac OS Up-To-Date upgrade package is available to all customers who purchase a new Mac system on or after October 8; all customers who purchased a Power Mac� G5 regardless of purchase date that do not have Panther included; and customers who purchase the Mac OS X version 10.2 "Jaguar" retail product on or after October 8 for a shipping and handling fee of $19.95 (US).

Panther requires a minimum of 128MB of memory and is designed to run on the following Apple products with built-in USB support: iMac,� iBook�, Power Macintosh� G3, Power Mac G4, Power Mac G4 Cube."

iCal 1.5.1 and iSync 1.2.1 also announced.

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 08:46 AM

Apple Store
Menlo Park
10/24/03 8pm

michael_on_mac · Oct 8, 2003, 08:54 AM

YES!

The people at French site www.macbidouille.com write they have caught a glimpse on Panther in the course of the online Apple stores update!

Should be available in Suisse for 199 SFr...

See here:
http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-10-08#6822

Best,
Michael.

sanity assassin · Oct 8, 2003, 08:55 AM

It's up on apple's site, nice.

solitere · Oct 8, 2003, 08:58 AM

Nice Box for Panther

eScrib · Oct 8, 2003, 09:00 AM

This is great news... BUT

I just shelled out my hard earned money for a 12" PB that I haven't even had in my hands for a WEEK, and Apple is saying I gotta pay $129 to upgrade???

What kind of CRAP is that!!!???

gorickey · Oct 8, 2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by solitere:
Nice Box for Panther

Seen the server box?

sanity assassin · Oct 8, 2003, 09:02 AM

I like the new colour for the finder sidebar, non-white at last.

solitere · Oct 8, 2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Seen the server box?

god dammit even nicer box for Panter server
Panther Server Box

scottiB · Oct 8, 2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Seen the server box?

Eh, beaten to the punch....

nredman · Oct 8, 2003, 09:09 AM

happy happy joy joy

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 09:10 AM

I like the countdown

I still have those OS X countdown animated GIFs lying around. I think they're even still accessable from Apple's site directly.

Mike

The Jackalope · Oct 8, 2003, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by eScrib:
This is great news... BUT

I just shelled out my hard earned money for a 12" PB that I haven't even had in my hands for a WEEK, and Apple is saying I gotta pay $129 to upgrade???

What kind of CRAP is that!!!???

Having just bought my 12" Powerbook on Oct. SEVENTH, I will join you in the head banging.

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 09:12 AM

DOn't you guys get a coupon?

Mike

nobitacu · Oct 8, 2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by starman:
DOn't you guys get a coupon?

Mike

No... they don't.

Ming

lookmark · Oct 8, 2003, 09:17 AM

Has Apple tweaked the widgets a bit since the latest 7B8x seeds? They seem somewhat glossier.

It's hard to tell though, as some of they images they've posted look surprisingly smudgy.

It also looks like someone did a kind of crude Unsharp Mask on those images as well.

eScrib · Oct 8, 2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by starman:
DOn't you guys get a coupon?

Mike

Sure... But they're useless.

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by nobitacu:
No... they don't.

Ming

Uh...yes, they do. Every Mac comes with one.

Mike

blackbird_1.0 · Oct 8, 2003, 09:28 AM

i wish they'd give away t-shirts w/ online panther orders, some of us don't live near apple stores

Anand · Oct 8, 2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by The Jackalope:
Having just bought my 12" Powerbook on Oct. SEVENTH, I will join you in the head banging.

Return it and buy it back!

Crusoe · Oct 8, 2003, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by starman:
Uh...yes, they do. Every Mac comes with one.

Mike

What does the coupons say? "If we release a new OS in 30 days, you get it for free" or words to that effect with "shipping and handling not included" blurb?

eScrib · Oct 8, 2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
Return it and buy it back!

1) Mine was BTO

2) It's a pain in the butt to do that, especially since I've put all my software and research on the drive.

3) Why should I have to do this? I find it absolutely INSANE that G5 users, regardless of price get an essentially free copy, yet people who just received their AlBooks get bent over and

.

solitere · Oct 8, 2003, 09:41 AM

Hmmm.. The pricing of Panther at the Finnish AppleStore is 149 Euro.

At the American AppleStore it cost 129 Dollar. if we should convert today 149 Euro to dollar it would cost me 176 US dollar to buy Panther in Europe.

Apple is giving their customers in europe a hint again that everybody except Americans should pay premium price for Apple Software and hardware.

Nice...

Crusoe · 10:01 AM

Hey I want a "take it for a spin" quicktime of the box.

Since I'm days from buying a new AlBook I assume I'll get it free and just have to pay $20ish for shipping and handling . . .right?

Nevermind here is the scoop.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

Sweet it has been announced, I love Apple!

ligux · Oct 8, 2003, 09:45 AM

24th October?, in that case I will wait a couple of weeks to place my order, unless they plan to include it with 12'' before the shopping release

Anand · Oct 8, 2003, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by eScrib:
1) Mine was BTO

2) It's a pain in the butt to do that, especially since I've put all my software and research on the drive.

3) Why should I have to do this? I find it absolutely INSANE that G5 users, regardless of price get an essentially free copy, yet people who just received their AlBooks get bent over and .

Dude, I agree with you. Check your state to see if Apple is in violation (by not taking back your machine). Also, are you in education? It is only $69 if you are. Luckly, I am and I have a $20 couple as well making Panther a whole $49 for me! In addition, we get copies for our work machines.

I will also say that G5 machines need this update. The G5 runs like crap on Jaguar. My 1.6 Ghz G5 with 1.25 GB Ram is slower at many things than the 933 G4 it replaced. But in Panther the G5 is fast - real fast.

nobitacu · Oct 8, 2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by starman:
Uh...yes, they do. Every Mac comes with one.

Mike

umm... no, not for Powerbooks. Some already even called Apple this morning asking them about it, they told them they would still have to pay full price.

Ming

JLL · Oct 8, 2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by solitere:
Hmmm.. The pricing of Panther at the Finnish AppleStore is 149 Euro.

At the American AppleStore it cost 129 Dollar. if we should convert today 149 Euro to dollar it would cost me 176 US dollar to buy Panther in Europe.

Apple is giving their customers in europe a hint again that everybody except Americans should pay premium price for Apple Software and hardware.

Nice...

The 149 EUR includes VAT!!!!!!!

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by nobitacu:
umm... no, not for Powerbooks. Some already even called Apple this morning asking them about it, they told them they would still have to pay full price.

Ming

Um....my 17" has one (three actually).

Mike

Andrew 8808 · Oct 8, 2003, 10:03 AM

So is the educational price only for the online store? I think my friend tried to get 10.2 last year at our Apple Store here, with his educational discount, but they couldn't do it.
Either way, glad I can get it for $69 even if I have to wait a few days for it to get here

dopik · Oct 8, 2003, 10:07 AM

I have just ordered it...

dopik

BrunoBruin · Oct 8, 2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Andrew 8808:
So is the educational price only for the online store?

The last time I bought something there, the retail stores could only do the edu discount on hardware.

CPU_Angel · Oct 8, 2003, 10:09 AM

I just bought my ibook on Oct 1st, the usb ports died the next day. I get it back today and I have to pay full price for Panther because I didn't wait a week... Grrrr...

midwinter · Oct 8, 2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by eScrib:
This is great news... BUT

I just shelled out my hard earned money for a 12" PB that I haven't even had in my hands for a WEEK, and Apple is saying I gotta pay $129 to upgrade???

What kind of CRAP is that!!!???

No one's making you buy it.

voodoo · Oct 8, 2003, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
The 149 EUR includes VAT!!!!!!!

and the $129 does not. Your answer makes no sense unless you include that little bit.

Quinn · Oct 8, 2003, 10:15 AM

When they say purchase, do they mean order or receive.

I oredered my 12" a few days ago but it will be at least 2 more weeks before I receive it, most likely AFTER the 24th.

Does this mean I can get the upgrade for 19.95?

If not, looks like I will have to cancel and order again...which is just silly.

eevyl · Oct 8, 2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
The 149 EUR includes VAT!!!!!!!

Yes, of course it includes VAT. But Apple is doing a one-on-one currency exchange.

But using today exchange rate, my maths tell me (rounding up):

129 US Dollars = 110 Euros

Using my country for VAT (Spain):

110 Euros + VAT (16%) = 128 Euros

So Apple is gaining a 21 extra Euros for every Panther purchase in Spain.

Agent69 · Oct 8, 2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Quinn:
When they say purchase, do they mean order or receive.

I oredered my 12" a few days ago but it will be at least 2 more weeks before I receive it, most likely AFTER the 24th.

Does this mean I can get the upgrade for 19.95?

If not, looks like I will have to cancel and order again...which is just silly.

I agree. You need to call and ask, in my opinion. They could be simply going by order date.

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by midwinter:
No one's making you buy it.

What kind of bullshit asinine statement is this? Of course nobody's MAKING him buy it, but it's pretty OBVIOUS that he WANTS it, and not getting the upgrade by a matter of hours is pretty frustrating. I friggin' hate people that say that.

Mike

CPU_Angel · Oct 8, 2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by starman:
What kind of bullshit asinine statement is this? Of course nobody's MAKING him buy it, but it's pretty OBVIOUS that he WANTS it, and not getting the upgrade by a matter of hours is pretty frustrating. I friggin' hate people that say that.

Mike

Amen

Peabo · Oct 8, 2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by lookmark:
Has Apple tweaked the widgets a bit since the latest 7B8x seeds? They seem somewhat glossier.

It's hard to tell though, as some of they images they've posted look surprisingly smudgy. It also looks like someone did a kind of crude Unsharp Mask on those images as well.

Look at the 'pictures' icon. It looks new but in 7B85 it's the old one.

AssassyN · Oct 8, 2003, 10:35 AM

Well since that's on a Friday, I won't be able to make it to an Apple Store until that following Tuesday, so is there anything wrong w/ ordering it from Apple's Site? I'm in college, thus I can get it for $69 (good deal!) and it'll ship free since it's over $50...they'll probably upgrade it to Overnight shipping anyway...anything wrong w/ ordering online? Any benefits to buying in-store (serveral days later, mind you)?

starman · Oct 8, 2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by AssassyN:
Well since that's on a Friday, I won't be able to make it to an Apple Store until that following Tuesday, so is there anything wrong w/ ordering it from Apple's Site? I'm in college, thus I can get it for $69 (good deal!) and it'll ship free since it's over $50...they'll probably upgrade it to Overnight shipping anyway...anything wrong w/ ordering online? Any benefits to buying in-store (serveral days later, mind you)?

You MIGHT get it faster if you buy it in-store. Someone here would have to tell you about ship dates, but I doubt you'd get it on Monday.

Mike

AssassyN · Oct 8, 2003, 10:37 AM

DOH! Scratch that last post...almost wasted ~$70...ADC members get it shipped to them free in their monthly mailing packets, right?

addiecool · Oct 8, 2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by z0ne81:
Look at the 'pictures' icon. It looks new but in 7B85 it's the old one.

Its the same as in 7B85. the Picture Icon in sidebar is different from the folder icon though.

Parky · Oct 8, 2003, 10:52 AM

Let's hope Apple ship 10.3 like they did 10.2 in the UK.

I received my copy of 10.2 from the Apple Store on the Friday before it was officially released on the Saturday.

So hopefully my copy of 10.3 will arrive on the 23rd Oct!

Ian

krux` · Oct 8, 2003, 10:55 AM

You forgot Powerbook G4..

deebee · Oct 8, 2003, 10:55 AM

Hi there,

Just a quick question: as I have recently purchased a G5 Dual I am entitled to the "upgrade". Is this a full copy of the software so I can perform a clean install or does it require Jaguar installed? I am hoping for the former as I prefer a clean slate.

Many thanks

Darren

Quinn · 11:23 AM

Following up on my last post:

Just off phone with Apple. Purchase means order not receive.

I will not get my 12" PowerBook til Oct 30th or so from Apple but because I ordered on the 26th Sept, I am NOT able to avail of the Up-To-Date offer.

So, I either cancel my order and re-order straight away (which means more delay) or pay �149 for 10.3

That makes NO sense at all. 10.3 will be shipping by the time I get it but I will have to pay extra. Argh!!!

What idiots.

ADDED: After another call to Apple, it appears that the invoice date is the important one, NOT the order date and I will be invoiced the day my PowerBook ships. They put a note on my file just in case there are any problems. So, 10.3 will cost me �30 not �149. Phew...

Jerommeke · Oct 8, 2003, 11:02 AM

Whow. 98,77 EUR is the educational pricing on Apple Store in Europe (incl 19 % VAT). Hmm, now the big doubt; shall I order this beauty, or wait until I can afford a G5, and get it for free.