[budster101]

> Subject: Target Stores
>
> Amazing Issue with Target Stores
>
>
>
> If they have a good sale in their ads, take the ad to Walmart, where
they
> will
> meet the price...............
>
> Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association wrote.
>
> "Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of
the
> Vietnam
> Veterans Memorial Wall during our spring recognition event.
>
> We received the following reply from the l! ocal TARGET management:
> "Veterans
> do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social
action
> groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."
>
> So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and veterans
in
> general
> do not meet their donation criteria, then something is really wrong
at
> this
> TARGET store. We were not asking for thousands of dollars, not even
> hundreds,
> just a small sponsorship for a memorial remembrance.
>
> As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. corporate headquarters
and
> their
> response was the same.
>
> That's their national policy.
>
> Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow the
Marines
> to
> collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their stores. And during the
> recent Iraq deployment, they
> would not allow families of employees who were called up for active
duty
> to
> continue their insurance coverage while they were on military
service.
> Then as I
> dig further, TARGET is a French-owned corporation.
>
> Now, I'm thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American Veterans,
then
> why
> should my family and I support their stores by spending our hard
earned
> American
> dollars and to have their profits sent to France. Without the
American
> Vets,
> where would France be today?"
>
> Feel free t o pass this along to whomever you want.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dick Forrey
> Veterans helping Veterans
> SFC David. Kaiser, Kay Kaiser
>
> Please send this on to everyone you know to let Target know how
> AMERICAN'S
> feel about their non support of America and our support of them.
Isn't it
> amazing how people can forget when we support them.
>

They won't be getting any of my business and if I can help it, I will spread the word around to everyone I can.

[iLikebeer]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp
don't believe everything you read. you got a really old version too

[vinster]

Urban myth budster. Took me less than two minutes to find this on target.com.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch!

[effgee]

Uh, oh ... what Google thinks about this hoax.

[BasketofPuppies]

And don't open any e-mail with the subject "Good Times." It's a virus.

[PurpleGiant]

Originally Posted by BasketofPuppies

And don't open any e-mail with the subject "Good Times." It's a virus.

Oh but if you forward it to ten people something really funny happens! I DIDN'T BELEIVE IT WEN I READ IT BUT IT REALY WORKS!!11!!

PS: If you don't forward this to ten people, you will never have sex again. Ever. And goblins will come and eat your babies.

[Cubeoid]

Goblins and babies.. what a world.

[Azzgunther]

You go ahead and spread tha' good word, Budster

I think they also found a miracle on Mount Arafat and called it Noah's ark.

PROOF!



Or wait that's just a rock.

Feel free to be critical of any or all easily boarded bandwagons.

[iMOTOR]

If they have a good sale in their ads, take the ad to Walmart, where
they
will
meet the price

WalMart,

[Link]

budster101: Right wing propaganda-ist.

Fox News is looking for people like you.

Edit: Not to post flame bait, but the entire purpose of this thread was flame bait: An urban myth meant to piss off people.

Wal-Mart is a mega-giant chain of stores that... every hick idiot buys from, kinda like K-mart was in the 70s.

Target has better advertising than Walmart, they're going to replace Walmart eventually, probably in the next 5-10 years.

Every store manages to get "hip", then they fall for the country trash thing. By the time you see the "We do good for the good of america" crap with white trash, the company's had it.

Propaganda is the nail in the coffin on that one.

OTOH: Maybe it's not that..

I shop Target "exclusively" when it comes to mega-giant shopping. Why? Their bags are stronger than walmart's, their pricing tends to be better, they have a better variety of items, and I don't see stuff that looks like it's been dragged across the floor on the bottom of a cart trying to be sold.

Their carts are red, Walmart's carts are half grey and half black from the mold/filth/crap that's built up on them, I kid you not.

And we're "lucky" that our walmart has plastic/metal carts and not those metal wire basket ones anymore. For some reason, I seem to come across ones with that all the time.

Plus, the Supercenter concept is a horrible one, the last time I shopped at one of those I found well... guess what

I GOT GREAT EXERCISE! They put half the brooms and 1/3 of the cleaning products on the "supermarket" side and put all the other cleaning products clear on the other side. WTF kinda idiot designed those stores?

Target makes you walk quite a bit too, but their design causes the aisles to be more spread out, in term -- you don't have a dozen box blondes blocking up the deodorant aisle because they put it on the other side of the hair dye aisle.

The fact they put fruit snacks and granola bars in the same aisle pisses me off though. The women that shop the granola bar aisle are those ugly types that think they're healthy when their breath smells like dog poop.

[RAILhead]

[budster101]

::: smacks own forehead :::

Bugger.

[LilWolfChokingOnCigs68]

Dumbass.

[budster101]

reported.

[tooki]

Budster: just let things like that go. Don't fan the flames.

tooki

[strictlyplaid]

Originally Posted by budster101

::: smacks own forehead :::

Bugger.

Don't worry bud, happens to the best of us.

[OpenStep]

This place is more like slashdot every day

[OpenStep]

Originally Posted by LilWolfChokingOnCigs68

Dumbass.

mouth breathing retard??

[ReggieX]

Are you honestly that friggin' gullible?! Geez.

[Chuckit]

Let this be a lesson to everyone to do their freakin' homework before coming out all high and mighty-like.

[budster101]

This could be a lesson to those to STFU when the correction was made in the first response to the thread...

Jackhole.

[Chuckit]

Uh…you're calling me a "jackhole" (whatever that is) for offering perfectly good advice to help you and (more my intent) others not look like dumbasses in the future? Show a little contrition. I'm not the one caught falsely accusing people of things here.

As it happens, a lot of people do the same thing you did. I'm hoping maybe they'll look at this thread and go, "Gee, I don't want everybody jumping on me like that. Maybe I should stop and check things before just believing every e-mail I get."

[budster101]

"SEE BELOW"... or up a few posts in case you just selectively read.

[budster101]

Originally Posted by budster101

::: smacks own forehead :::

Bugger.

Anyone miss this one? Scroll up and find it... before piling on.

[Cold Warrior]

Originally Posted by Link

budster101: Right wing propaganda-ist.

Fox News is looking for people like you.

Edit: Not to post flame bait, but the entire purpose of this thread was flame bait: An urban myth meant to piss off people.

Wal-Mart is a mega-giant chain of stores that... every hick idiot buys from, kinda like K-mart was in the 70s.

Target has better advertising than Walmart, they're going to replace Walmart eventually, probably in the next 5-10 years.

Every store manages to get "hip", then they fall for the country trash thing. By the time you see the "We do good for the good of america" crap with white trash, the company's had it.

Propaganda is the nail in the coffin on that one.

OTOH: Maybe it's not that..

I shop Target "exclusively" when it comes to mega-giant shopping. Why? Their bags are stronger than walmart's, their pricing tends to be better, they have a better variety of items, and I don't see stuff that looks like it's been dragged across the floor on the bottom of a cart trying to be sold.

Their carts are red, Walmart's carts are half grey and half black from the mold/filth/crap that's built up on them, I kid you not.

And we're "lucky" that our walmart has plastic/metal carts and not those metal wire basket ones anymore. For some reason, I seem to come across ones with that all the time.

Plus, the Supercenter concept is a horrible one, the last time I shopped at one of those I found well... guess what

I GOT GREAT EXERCISE! They put half the brooms and 1/3 of the cleaning products on the "supermarket" side and put all the other cleaning products clear on the other side. WTF kinda idiot designed those stores?

Target makes you walk quite a bit too, but their design causes the aisles to be more spread out, in term -- you don't have a dozen box blondes blocking up the deodorant aisle because they put it on the other side of the hair dye aisle.

The fact they put fruit snacks and granola bars in the same aisle pisses me off though. The women that shop the granola bar aisle are those ugly types that think they're healthy when their breath smells like dog poop.

and you sound like an elitist nutjob with a serious inferiority complex who needs to belittle where others shop so that you can feel better about yourself.

[Chuckit]

Yeah, I saw it.

I wasn't piling on. I wasn't even talking to you specifically. Learn to read.

Even if I had been piling on, though, it wouldn't be out-of-line. If I don't do my homework and falsely accuse someone of something (and call for action against them to boot), I have no right to complain about people chiding me for it — it's my own fault. Try taking it like a man instead of going all PMS on me when I'm not even attacking you (since, as you pointed out, that had already been done).

[zerostar]

I just got back from Super Target, love it

[Link]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior

and you sound like an elitist nutjob with a serious inferiority complex who needs to belittle where others shop so that you can feel better about yourself.

Oh why don't you go buy some of those pecker enlargement things or something.

[budster101]

I don't think I've ever asked for one of my own threads to be locked before... now.

[JHromadka]

Wasn't there almost the exact same thing posted about Adobe?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by JHromadka

Wasn't there almost the exact same thing posted about Adobe?

That was Chicken, and he was complaining that Adobe wouldn't give his church free software.

[LilWolfChokingOnCigs68]

Chicken should just pray for it. Maybe his god will listen and give him free software.

[budster101]

Maybe if you prayed, God would give you a brain. Next time you wish death on myself or my family, you will be praying I turn the other cheek you jack ass. Now get the "****" out of here like a good little boy.

[lurkalot]

Why don't you edit your first post and remove the false information?

The rest of the thread will still be on target.

[ghporter]

In spite of the fact that budster's "find" was actually a poorly crafted (because it was so easy to debunk) urban legend, I still have issues with Target. They did, in fact, ban the Salvation Army from posting "bell ringers" in front of their stores last Christmastime. Supposedly it was because they didn't "allow soliciting of any kind." I think that's crap, myself.

[dampeoples]

Well, let them ring the bell on your doorstep then.

[tooki]

I can totally understand Target's policy -- by letting one group solicit, you then pretty much have to allow any group to do the same. Then, if you choose to allow some and deny others, you open up a huge can of worms.

Besides, what's wrong with choosing to offer customers a place to shop without being harassed by beggars? If I want to donate to a charitable organization, I'll do it by mail or phone. I appreciate being able to go shopping in peace.

tooki

[LilWolfChokingOnCigs68]

Originally Posted by tooki

I can totally understand Target's policy -- by letting one group solicit, you then pretty much have to allow any group to do the same. Then, if you choose to allow some and deny others, you open up a huge can of worms.

Besides, what's wrong with choosing to offer customers a place to shop without being harassed by beggars? If I want to donate to a charitable organization, I'll do it by mail or phone. I appreciate being able to go shopping in peace.

tooki

[ghporter]

The thing about Target's Salvation Army policy is that the SA was the ONLY organization that ever asked to do anything at their stores. There's no "can of worms" if you only allow organizations that ask permission, and the only one to ever do that is the Salvation Army at Christmas time. Their approach was so smarmy, so "we just want to be fair," but don't want to admit that a very good organization is the only group that's going to be affected by this.

[Chuckit]

Whether it was in the interest of fairness or not, I find many bell ringers annoying (they can get pretty loud and aggressive if they figure you have money) and thank Target for not having them out there. If I want to donate, I can donate without somebody shaking a bell in my face, thank you.

I'd bet that if the Salvation Army had come up with a less obnoxious scheme, Target would have been OK. I think it's perfectly within a store's rights not to want people harassing their customers before they go in the store.

[spacefreak]

I won't shop at Target because of their asinine return policy.

I bought a Target-brand table cloth for $29.99. I went back to exchange it for a different color (same brand, same price), but I couldn't locate my receipt. They refused to even allow an equal exchange, saying "sorry, our policy is that you absolutely must have your receipt."

So I tell the clerk and the manager to just throw the damn tablecloth in the trash. I walk out, then realize I could use it as a drop cloth. I go back in and ask the clerk to let me have it back, and she tells me the manager just took it over to the tablecloth section. I walk briskly over there, and I see the manager without my tablecloth. I tell her that I want it to use as a Dropcloth, and she says "Oh, I just put it back on the shelf... I thought you wanted us to throw it away.

I grabbed the cloth, and told her how nice their trash looks on display.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by ghporter

The thing about Target's Salvation Army policy is that the SA was the ONLY organization that ever asked to do anything at their stores.

What do you base that info on? I am quite certain that they get requests from ALL sorts of groups, from scout troops to veterans to bible thumpers and hare krishnas.

It's pretty much impossible that SA is the only group to ever ask a national store chain to do something on their premises.

tooki

[loki74]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I wasn't piling on. I wasn't even talking to you specifically. Learn to read.

Um, you can say you weren't but you sure were being a dick about it. There's this thing I call "politeness." Let me introduce you. Here's what a resonable person would have said:

"Let this be a lesson to people who post stuff like this: make sure your sources are accurate!!"

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Even if I had been piling on, though, it wouldn't be out-of-line. If I don't do my homework and falsely accuse someone of something (and call for action against them to boot), I have no right to complain about people chiding me for it — it's my own fault. Try taking it like a man instead of going all PMS on me when I'm not even attacking you (since, as you pointed out, that had already been done).

You are right in that if you didn't do your homework, and someone corrects you, you shouldn't complain about it. But the one correcting shouldnt be a jerk about it. Also, piling it on would be out of line. We all make mistakes.

[ghporter]

Tooki, there was a big article in the San Antonio paper about this last November, and I read it with interest. At least in San Antonio, the Salvation Army was the only group that officially asked to be able to place a/one/singular bell ringer near one entrance of Target's stores for last year's Christmas period. The response was that Target's corporate HQ (that's the Dayton-Hudson Corporation if I recall correctly) was implementing a new policy of having absolutely no solicitation near their stores, no matter what. I have no idea whether this was a big problem for them anywhere in particular, but they announced it as if they'd been flooded by panhandlers for decades.

Here's their official solicitation policy. Note that they do not say that there was a problem, but rather that allowing the Salvation Army to solicit in front of their stores "opens the door" and that "allowing these organizations to solicit means that Target would also have to permit solicitation by organizations whose causes or behavior may be unacceptable to our guests." This simply looks like a cop out to me. They could easily have made things work very well by just limiting solicitation to "nationally recognized" charities, for example, or by setting rules about not allowing any organization given permission to solicit at their stores to in any way push the customers would have been a very simple way of doing it.

I will be the first to say that tripping over Brownies, Boy Scouts, "Save Our (your cause here)" and the like in front of every retail venue around is a major problem, but completely banning all organizations, even those that make up for many of us a traditional part of the holidays, was a bad move and I'm still not happy with their stance or their approach.

[Link]

Originally Posted by spacefreak

I won't shop at Target because of their asinine return policy.

I bought a Target-brand table cloth for $29.99. I went back to exchange it for a different color (same brand, same price), but I couldn't locate my receipt. They refused to even allow an equal exchange, saying "sorry, our policy is that you absolutely must have your receipt."

So I tell the clerk and the manager to just throw the damn tablecloth in the trash. I walk out, then realize I could use it as a drop cloth. I go back in and ask the clerk to let me have it back, and she tells me the manager just took it over to the tablecloth section. I walk briskly over there, and I see the manager without my tablecloth. I tell her that I want it to use as a Dropcloth, and she says "Oh, I just put it back on the shelf... I thought you wanted us to throw it away.

I grabbed the cloth, and told her how nice their trash looks on display.

I call BS on that. Most all targets I have ever been to have a "3 strike" policy on returning without a receipt, you can do it 3 times in a certain amount of time, if they have it for sale, of course. I think it also requires the packaging (since other wise they wouldn't know how to pay you back), and at that you get what they're currently charging for it, whether or not it was more than you paid.

If you bought it with a debit/credit card, I think they can look up the order too, not sure about that...

Walmart's honoring of the policy is pretty hit or miss. I've exchanged a ~80 day old microwave that got fried before, but then one time we wanted to return something and then they took that and didn't want to give our money back. That was a LONG argument that finally involved the managers and going over the tape to see if the person at the counter gave us our money back, of course they didn't.

[His Dudeness]

Originally Posted by Link

budster101: Right wing propaganda-ist.

Fox News is looking for people like you.

.

Why is it Right Wing propaganda? Why can't it be Leftist propaganda?

[Rolling Bones]

Both Walmart and Target help create Chinese jobs and more wealth for the commies that the USA can borrow.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by ghporter

Tooki, there was a big article in the San Antonio paper about this last November, and I read it with interest. At least in San Antonio, the Salvation Army was the only group that officially asked to be able to place a/one/singular bell ringer near one entrance of Target's stores for last year's Christmas period. The response was that Target's corporate HQ (that's the Dayton-Hudson Corporation if I recall correctly) was implementing a new policy of having absolutely no solicitation near their stores, no matter what. I have no idea whether this was a big problem for them anywhere in particular, but they announced it as if they'd been flooded by panhandlers for decades.

Here's their official solicitation policy. Note that they do not say that there was a problem, but rather that allowing the Salvation Army to solicit in front of their stores "opens the door" and that "allowing these organizations to solicit means that Target would also have to permit solicitation by organizations whose causes or behavior may be unacceptable to our guests." This simply looks like a cop out to me. They could easily have made things work very well by just limiting solicitation to "nationally recognized" charities, for example, or by setting rules about not allowing any organization given permission to solicit at their stores to in any way push the customers would have been a very simple way of doing it.

I will be the first to say that tripping over Brownies, Boy Scouts, "Save Our (your cause here)" and the like in front of every retail venue around is a major problem, but completely banning all organizations, even those that make up for many of us a traditional part of the holidays, was a bad move and I'm still not happy with their stance or their approach.

I dunno, I entirely agree with Target on this. Not only is it unfair (and potentially illegal) to cherry-pick who you allow, it's annoying to shoppers.

tooki

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by tooki

I dunno, I entirely agree with Target on this. Not only is it unfair (and potentially illegal) to cherry-pick who you allow, it's annoying to shoppers.

tooki

I will say that I reacted strongly to their policy because of two factors. First, while they may have "announced" this policy to all the agencies in January of '04, they certainly didn't tell the public about it ahead of time, which smacks of hiding something. And second, Target is in the process of "cherry picking" locations in San Antonio for their stores. Not "no customers in this area" versus "lots of customers in this area," but locations that seem to be chosen to go head-to-head with Super Wal-Mart stores. They have basically abandoned several stores-some of which remain empty-and built new, huge SuperTarget stores in locations that are basically across the street from Wal-Marts. In other words, they're trashing up my town because they want to win the "you have to buy everything from us because there's nobody left" contest.

I absolutely HATE the "big box" superstore mentality. I LIKE grocery stores selling groceries, and dry goods stores selling dry goods... But when I am confronted by either Wal-Mart or Target, whose idea of a big store is a whole lot of the same poor selection-and oh by the way you can get our off-brand tortilla chips for 3¢ less than Wal-Mart's off-brand chips-it makes me frustrated. Target certainly didn't win any friends by locking out the Salvation Army while going to some length to resculpt the retail model for the whole country. Maybe my reaction is more to the whole Target/Wal-Mart idiocy than anything else.

[AKcrab]

I wouldn't give money to a panhandler with a bullhorn, and that's exactly the way the bell ringers make me feel. What if the boy scouts wanted to stand there and ding a triangle, or the girl scouts wanted to use crash symbols to get attention? Would that be ok?