[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Or you could have a GUI that lets you set it anyway you want, and still not be cluttered like ID has.

InDesign's interface was designed the same way as Pagemaker's with designers in mind. Quark's was designed by people used to dedicated typesetting machines, and you can tell. It's for this reason I prefer Quark's.

Change the point size in Quark. Go ahead: it's easy. Hit Shift-Apple-Backslash, type in the new point size, hit return. No need to take your hands off the keyboard. Change the leading: Shift-Apple-E. Type in size for leading. No need to take hands off of keyboard.

Now change the point size in InDesign. There is no keyboard shortcut. You either have to hit the keyboard shortcut for the Character palette (Shift-Apple-D for me), tab a few times and then type in the point size. That's if the palette is hidden. If it's visible, you have to hit Shift-Apple-D twice, once to hide it, once to show it, then tab over. Or you have to take your hands off the keyboard, grab the mouse, find the palette, highlight the point size, type in the new point size, hit return.

Same for leading: there's no keyboard shortcut. Same with the control palette. In Quark, Option-Apple-M will highlight the first field in the Control Palette and let you tab back and forth. In InDesign, you need to take your hands off the keyboard, grab the mouse, find the palette, etc. It may not seem like much, but all of these little pauses and inefficiencies mean that working with InDesign, especially in long, text-heavy documents, can be a frustrating experience.

Quark is slowly losing it's grip. And MOST Quark users now aren't using the newest versions. They are still running OS 9 using 4.11 or whatever that last version was for Classic.

Do you have any cite for these figures? Because they do not back up what I see, which is lots of Quark 7 out there, and lots of ID. I know it's all the rage to bash Quark, but claiming that most Quark users are using OS 9 is just dumb.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

Kevin you destroy almost every thread you post in.

No this one was clearly voodoos. And he has been in a habit of doing so the past week. Voodoo's rants about Adobe had nothing really to do with the topic, nor was his Quark fanboying. I asked him to stop on many occasions in here.

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Funnily enough, so does voodoo.

More so than I.

Do you have any cite for these figures? Because they do not back up what I see, which is lots of Quark 7 out there, and lots of ID. I know it's all the rage to bash Quark, but claiming that most Quark users are using OS 9 is just dumb.

I was speaking about the ones I know. As far as ID having Pagemakers interface, it's not even close. Quark is more like the old Pagemaker than Indesign is right now. And layout apps of the like are used for more than just typesetting.

[.Neo]

Kevin, it would be nice if you followed your own advice for a chance and stayed on topic.

If you people are that into the whole Quark vs InDesign thing just start a new thread, take it to PM or IM. It has absolutely nothing to do with CS3's compatibility on Mac OS X Leopard.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by .Neo 

Kevin, it would be nice if you followed your own advice for a chance and stayed on topic.

.Neo you are correct, I should have never taken voodoo's quark fanboy rant bait. And for that I apologize.

If you people are that into the whole Quark vs InDesign thing just start a new thread, take it to PM or IM. It has absolutely nothing to do with CS3's compatibility on Mac OS X Leopard.

I agree 100% Now you'll have to get voodoo to stop. And I think thats going to be a bit harder. He usually derails Adobe threads with rants against it while promoting Quark.

I would also like to point out, posts like you've just made are better for the pvt msg as well. As it is just as disrupting and derailing as voodoo's original post was. Poop flows downhill. Regardless if you intentional split the bucket or not.

It only takes one derail post to ruin a thread. Again, I apologize for taking the bait.

[techtrucker]

Yes, now that Leopard is upon us I am really curious about CS3 compatibility. I'm not foolish enough to upgrade on day one, I live in Illustrator all day, but wouldn't mind upgrading relatively soon.

[Kevin]

Apple said its compatible.

[mrtew]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

....you are correct, ... for that I apologize.... I agree 100% ...It only takes one derail post to ruin a thread. Again, I apologize ...

*faints*

[Mastrap]

True that.

[Kevin]

Why? I've apologized many times in here for being, and doing wrong. Certainly not the first. Wont be the last.

[chris v]

Yikes! I like InDesign a lot, and prefer it to Quark basically, but let me say three words:

Custom Kearning Tables.

For us fogies who don't have the CS3 suite yet, how's the CS2 suite doing with OS 10.5?

[Kevin]

Not sure, I am using CS3... But Apple said CS2 works on it just fine.

[macgyvr64]

CS3 Design Premium working here...

[bija]

I installed Leopard to a 2nd drive to test it out with my applications before I go and install it on my main drive. I found InDesign CS3 has problems in Leopard. At first, I couldn't HIDE InDesign when I want to work in other applications or see the Desktop. I then set up Spaces, figuring it might hide when I am using a different Space. Well, it hide all right. To the point where I couldn't find it at all. The Dock shows it open but I cannot bring it to the fore. Apparently, if I want to use Leopard and InDesign CS3, I can either have InDesign hogging the whole screen all the time or not be able to see it at all.

[.Neo]

I have issues with InDesign CS3 here as well.

[illustratorDavid]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Not sure, I am using CS3... But Apple said CS2 works on it just fine.

When did Apple say CS2 apps are working fine with Leopard ?

[techtrucker]

I can confirm the InDesign hiding issue, yet Illustrator hides itself just fine. Clean install of Leopard and CS3, all updates applied. Haven't tried PS yet, Illustrator is my most used app.