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Incredibly how dumb some people are, never ceases to amaze me

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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Incredibly how dumb some people are, never ceases to amaze me

YouTube - THE TEA PARTY & THE CIRCUS - Final Healthcare Reform Protest
There are idiots on both sides. Pelosi couldn't even read her own damn speech without flubbing. What's your point besson? Other than trying to talk down to those that you don't agree with, yet again.

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There are idiots on both sides. Pelosi couldn't even read her own damn speech without flubbing. What's your point besson? Other than trying to talk down to those that you don't agree with, yet again.
The bottom line is you can either focus on policy or focus on people. When you've got nothing for policy, point to people. I've come to expect no less from the Pot Party.
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Mar 23, 2010, 08:52 AM
 
We've come to expect immature actions and lack of historical perspective, and ignorance of the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution from the Dems. Recent activities sure do re-enforce that opinion.
     
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Mar 23, 2010, 09:21 AM
 
You should probably just ignore YouTube altogether if you want to talk about anything seriously.

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Mar 23, 2010, 11:18 AM
 
It was funny people.... lighten the **** up
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Mar 23, 2010, 11:27 AM
 
Those people are an embarrassment. As are these:
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Mar 23, 2010, 11:47 AM
 
Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
The bottom line is you can either focus on policy or focus on people. When you've got nothing for policy, point to people. I've come to expect no less from the Pot Party.
Isn't that exactly what the Tea Party is doing? Calling those who support it terrible names while coming up with no argument more substantial than "It's Socialism!!"
     
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You should probably just ignore YouTube altogether if you want to talk about anything seriously.
Why go to YouTube when you have C-SPANS entire archive available.
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Those people are an embarrassment. As are these:
YouTube - Banning DiHydrogen Monoxide - Penn and Teller
Haha exactly! That was great stuff. Stupid people are hilarious.

Interesting use of "monoxide" - I've only heard of it as "dihydrogen oxide" although I guess there's nothing wrong with adding mono on there from what I can remember of the naming rules.

It'd be really interesting to see them do the same spiel but using just "dihydrogen oxide" and see how many idiots they can pick up....

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Mar 23, 2010, 12:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
Isn't that exactly what the Tea Party is doing? Calling those who support it terrible names while coming up with no argument more substantial than "It's Socialism!!"
No. Maybe if you only look at what you want to see that's what they're all about:

theteapartymanifesto.com
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Originally Posted by Macrobat View Post
No. Maybe if you only look at what you want to see that's what they're all about:

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I have to say that calling their platform a "manifesto" is a bit of a blunder if they are trying to portray Obama as the next Karl Marx.

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Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
Isn't that exactly what the Tea Party is doing? Calling those who support it terrible names while coming up with no argument more substantial than "It's Socialism!!"
At least that is what the mainstream media reports anyway. Sure you want to trust them?


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I have to say that calling their platform a "manifesto" is a bit of a blunder if they are trying to portray Obama as the next Karl Marx.
It is a tad bit ironic n'est-ce pas?

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Mar 23, 2010, 12:23 PM
 
If they would like to pay me I'd be willing to help them keep their campaign irony-free. I'm equal opportunity that way. My qualifications are a lifetime of internet snarkiness.

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So members of the tea party weren't openly calling black congressmen ni**ers at the top of their lungs? Or was that CGI fabricated by the leftist media?
     
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So members of the tea party weren't openly calling black congressmen ni**ers at the top of their lungs? Or was that CGI fabricated by the leftist media?
No, they won't and no one seems to have either audio or video "proof" of this manufactured claim. Just as no one was able to find the "kill him" audio or video during the Obama campaign at the rally. Despite all the media coverage and Secret Service presence.

Lots of CLAIMS it happened, and it has been reported as a fact, but NO ONE seems to have any concrete proof it actually occurred.

Color me shocked.

As a matter of fact, the only ACTUAL proof available shows it did NOT happen:

YouTube - Big Lie: Video Shows Black Lawmakers Lied about "Racist" Assault

Rep. Lewis of GA is the one who claimed he was spat upon and called the "N" word. This video shows his entire progress from car to WELL beyond expectoration range - it did NOT happen.
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If the Tea Party wants a theocracy, they can move to Iraq or Iran or whatever. I don't want that sh*t in America. Tea Party can go themselves.
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Mar 23, 2010, 01:26 PM
 
OlePigeon, read the Constitution - THAT's what teh Tea Party wants, you can take your own advice.

The Tea Party's stance is exactly what the Founders said - Rights are conferred by God, not the government.
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No, they won't and no one seems to have either audio or video "proof" of this manufactured claim. Just as no one was able to find the "kill him" audio or video during the Obama campaign at the rally. Despite all the media coverage and Secret Service presence.

Lots of CLAIMS it happened, and it has been reported as a fact, but NO ONE seems to have any concrete proof it actually occurred.

Color me shocked.

As a matter of fact, the only ACTUAL proof available shows it did NOT happen:

YouTube - Big Lie: Video Shows Black Lawmakers Lied about "Racist" Assault

Rep. Lewis of GA is the one who claimed he was spat upon and called the "N" word. This video shows his entire progress from car to WELL beyond expectoration range - it did NOT happen.
I suppose it doesn't occur to you that the clip cuts off in the middle of them walking through the crowd? Also, it was Rep. Cleaver ... not Rep. Lewis .... who said that one of the Tea Party protesters spat on him as he was walking by. Your purported clip of "proof" certainly didn't show that part ... but the individual was arrested by U.S. Capitol Police nevertheless. Imagine that.

Allow me to say this ....

Rep. Lewis is a civil rights icon. He got his start marching with MLK and is a man of integrity. I can't say that I know anything about Rep. Carson since he's new to Congress. I do, however, know Rep. Cleaver. In addition to being a Congressman he was the first (and thus far only) African-American mayor of Kansas City, MO. And given the demographics of that city that is simply something that is NOT going to happen if he were some sort of "race baiter" prone to "manufacture" such an accusation out of thin air for no discernible reason. It certainly isn't like lying about something like that was going to affect the vote one way or the other. So what would be the point? Emanuel Cleaver is well-respected in KC ... in the black and white community. He was a two-term mayor who oversaw one of the largest infrastructure revitalizations in Kansas City's history. He has a major thoroughfare named after him that runs right through the heart of the city including the famed Country Club Plaza ... quite unlike most black public figures (including MLK) who get a street named after them in some run-down neighborhood in the ghetto. As a Congressman he represents a majority white district which he won with 55% of the vote initially, then re-elected with 65% of the vote twice. During the 2008 Presidential campaign he was a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter ... even in the face of criticism from other black politicians and constituents ... some of whom even ignorantly accused him of being an "Uncle Tom" for doing so until she dropped out of the race. He even declined to press charges against that knucklehead that spat on him as he was walking through the Tea Party crowd. He is a local pastor of one of the most prominent churches in Kansas City. A church with a predominately African-American but decidedly diverse congregation. I've met the man personally on several occasions ... including when he officiated at the wedding of one of my best friends. So IMO Rep. Cleaver is the last person who would "manufacture" an accusation like this.

Elements within the Tea Party crowd have routinely made racist statements and carried racist signs at their gatherings. There have been several incidents with Republican politicians and activists (usually from the South) making blatantly racist statements against President Obama and the First Lady. There was a pretty big thread going on around here a while back where many of us delved into that subject. As for me, I certainly don't believe Representatives Cleaver, Lewis, and Carson were suffering from some sort of "group hallucination". But hey ... it's a free country and you can believe whatever you want to believe.

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Mar 23, 2010, 01:39 PM
 
BS, the video cuts off as he begins to ascend the steps to the Capital, already past all demonstrators.

NO ONE has produced ANY video or audio evidence of his claims, despite members of EVERY major media company being present.

And your claim of "routine racist" comments is also BS - hate to break it to you but the Tea Party is NOT monochromatic, despite THOSE claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsnWLLdl70
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Rights are conferred by God...
No they aren't.
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BS, the video cuts off as he begins to ascend the steps to the Capital, already past all demonstrators.

NO ONE has produced ANY video or audio evidence of his claims, despite members of EVERY major media company being present.

And your claim of "routine racist" comments is also BS - hate to break it to you but the Tea Party is NOT monochromatic, despite THOSE claims.
Tell it to the Capitol Police dude. I suppose they were part of Rep. Cleaver's "conspiracy" too.

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No they aren't.

Say it all you want - it's in the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.
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Tell it to the Capitol Police dude. I suppose they were part of Rep. Cleaver's "conspiracy" too.

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Police react to complaints, not one Capital City officer has come forward to say they witnessed the event, and the detainee was accused by Cleaver, not Lewis, who was outrageously outraged enough to point someone out, then refused to come and even positively identify the person in question.

Then Barney Frank accused another of a homosexual slur.

Amazingly NO ONE ever catches ANY of this on audio or video - EVER. If it actually happened, then why are we subject to it on endless loop from every major liberal media outlet? You know, just like anything else they happen to think is worthy of scorn.

Answer: there is no proof - WHATSOEVER - that it ever actually occurred, and - despite the media's EXPRESSED desire to catch such an occurrence - NO ONE EVER HAS.

Despite it supposedly occuring right IN FRONT of the national media.
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Mar 23, 2010, 02:12 PM
 
Contained herein (O'Reilly Show) is video of the EXACT supposed moment. Cleaver is pointing, the Capital Police officer immediately behind him shows no reaction (which he would have, had the incident occurred) - not to mention Cleaver does not get THAT officer to arrest anyone and the complete lack of evidence of spittle anywhere on the Congressman.

YouTube - Bill O'Reilly: Racial Remarks During Health Care Demonstration?

Imagine that.
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No they aren't.
As it's been pointed out, here in the US they are. You can choose not to believe it, but by law that's who our government officially gives credit for our freedoms.
     
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Police react to complaints, not one Capital City officer has come forward to say they witnessed the event, and the detainee was accused by Cleaver, not Lewis, who was outrageously outraged enough to point someone out, then refused to come and even positively identify the person in question.
Now just earlier you claimed it was Rep. Lewis who made this accusation. How about you make up your mind? You can't even manage to get some of the fundamental facts about the story straight yet you are supposed to have some sort of credibility here?

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Then Barney Frank accused another of a homosexual slur.
Overheard by a CNN producer. I suppose that person was lying too huh?

Originally Posted by Macrobat
Amazingly NO ONE ever catches ANY of this on audio or video - EVER.

Despite it supposedly occuring right IN FRONT of the national media.
Something tells me that if one of these Tea Party nutjobs burned a cross on Rep. Cleaver's front yard ... even if it was caught on tape ... you'd swear on a stack of bibles that it was a simple case of "arson".

Like I said ... believe whatever you want to believe. I mean after all, the 3 Congressman and the CNN producer and the Capitol Police had nothing better to do ... absolutely nothing else going on that day ... so they decided to all get together and just "manufacture" some outlandish story for the hell of it. I mean why concern themselves with the passage of Healthcare Reform when they can pull a BS story out of their a*s and just run with that instead?
     
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Mar 23, 2010, 02:19 PM
 
"Something tells you" that virtually anything is racist. I seem to remember "arrogant" being "racist" in your view - simply because of possible synonyms.

Color me unimpressed.

Oops, I said "color."
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Oops, I said "color."
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Mar 23, 2010, 02:28 PM
 
Lewis made accusations of racial epithets, please DO keep up.

You can keep up with your Capital Police line, but the officer RIGHT NEXT to Cleaver in the video saw NOTHING, and no OTHER officer has said anything about witnessing it, it's the same as if you CALLED the police and made a complaint - they reacted. Their reaction is NOT evidence of anything but them doing their job and reacting to a complaint.

Your CNN Producer convientely has NO proof despite having the resources of CNN at his immediate disposal and being present EXPRESSLY to cover the event, either.

Funny how NO ONE ever has any proof - even when is supposedly happens RIGHT in front of their cameras, huh? I tell ya, those supposed idiots in the Tea Party sure are smart enough NOT to be caught at ANY of the crap they're accused of, wow!

Every available moment of video and audio has been poured over by people who wish both to prove and disprove the event occurred - yet NO ONE has found ANYTHING that corroborates it. Shocking!
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Tell it to the Capitol Police dude. I suppose they were part of Rep. Cleaver's "conspiracy" too.

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I'm no friend of the Tea Party, but there are some things which don't add up.

We can assume the spitting incident happened, because someone got arrested for it.

As has been said, the video which is available doesn't show any racial epithets. This doesn't prove there were none, but it does show a vast majority of the Tea Partiers (Partyists?) not doing that.

Likewise, when Frank was called a "faggot", that person was shouted down by other Partiers. At least, that's what's being reported. I'd find it odd for that to get one response from the group while "******" gets a pass.

One reason the claim may not be depicted here is that it supposedly happened as they were leaving the office building across the street. Okay, that sucks, but that means we're clearly talking about a concentrated group who has separated themselves from the main group. If that's the case, the way this is getting reported is basically a smear.
     
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Those people are an embarrassment. As are these:
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Yeah, I think I've seen this video before... Great stuff, thanks for sharing!
     
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"Something tells you" that virtually anything is racist. I seem to remember "arrogant" being "racist" in your view - simply because of possible synonyms.

Color me unimpressed.
Tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself dude. I gave you a quick synopsis of Rep. Cleaver's background. Again, he is not someone to make something like this up. So post all the Fox News clips that you want to. After all the same outfit that got busted repeatedly for inflating Tea Party crowd numbers (including showing a picture from a Promise Keeper's rally 10 years earlier) wouldn't skew their video to protect their "creation" now would they? I mean ... no one is really going to notice that the clip you posted from the O'Reilly show is not a continuous shot and has a very obvious "transition" right? Not to mention a very visibly upset Rep. Cleaver who was responding to someone in the crowd about "something" that had obviously occurred.

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Mar 23, 2010, 02:39 PM
 
Oh please, dude. I have seen YOU get "visibly upset"about "racist"synonyms(actually, according to you virtually ANYTHING seems to be "racist") - and his background has jack and shite to do with anything.

Given the FACT that I have NO reason to trust and MULTIPLE reasons to distrust people who have EVERYTHING to gain from a false accusation of this type, I could care less about his background.

They have lied to us about virtually everything else and the continued and constant playing of the race card gets tiresome - especially in light of the COMPLETE lack of corroboration.
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I don't know if the racist remarks were really made, but how can anybody be so certain that they weren't? I mean, would it really surprise you if they were?

People are not that impressive a lot folks, why should somebody assume that the tea party people are all above this sort of thing?
     
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Lewis made accusations of racial epithets, please DO keep up.
No YOU keep up. Perhaps if you weren't so caught up in your knee-jerk defensiveness you would actually remember what YOU SAID just a few minutes ago. A reminder is in order it seems ...

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Rep. Lewis of GA is the one who claimed he was spat upon and called the "N" word. This video shows his entire progress from car to WELL beyond expectoration range - it did NOT happen.
Now those are YOUR WORDS. Not mine. And for the record, all three Congressman ... Lewis, Cleaver, and Carson .... made accusations of racial epithets. Which is what I said from the beginning. Again, get the story straight first then go about trying to show how a well-respected Congressman like Emanuel Cleaver is "lying".

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Mar 23, 2010, 02:44 PM
 
Simple besson3, the event was obviously WIDELY covered by both audio and video, yet NO ONE has any visible or audible proof, so people are simply supposed to believe it happened because of the accusers "background"despite multiple sources of evidence to the contrary and not one stitch in support.

And those anti-war protesters were even MORE ""impressive"huh?
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Not to mention a very visibly upset Rep. Cleaver who was responding to someone in the crowd about "something" that had obviously occurred.
If I'm parsing the report right, the incident would have happened earlier.
     
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Now YOU keep up. Perhaps if you weren't so caught up in your knee-jerk defensiveness you would actually remember what YOU SAID just a few minutes ago. A reminder is in order it seems ...



Now those are YOUR WORDS. Not mine. And for the record, all three Congressman ... Lewis, Cleaver, and Carson .... made accusations of racial epithets. Which is what I said from the beginning. Again, get the story straight first then go about trying to show how a well-respected Congressman like Emanuel Cleaver is "lying".

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The entire Democrat membership of the House has been lying about what's in the "healthcare reform"bill for over a year - why should I suddenly think - despite REAMS of evidence to the contrary that they're above lying about this?

Funny, your "well-respected"congressman has a Capital City Police officer RIGHT next to him in the video when it supposedly happens, yet he did NOT get THAT officer to do anything. Instead, he files a complaint with a description later, from his office and then refuses to come downstairs for a positive identification of the suspect, who is then released.

An hour and a half later the "visibly upset"congressman gets in front of cameras. Please.

You feel free to believe him all you want, and I will feel free to note the COMPLETE lack of evidence - despite THOUSANDS of people trying to find it.
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Say it all you want - it's in the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.
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Oh please, dude. I have seen YOU get "visibly upset"about "racist"synonyms(actually, according to you virtually ANYTHING seems to be "racist") - and his background has jack and shite to do with anything.
No. You haven't seen me get "visibly upset" about anything. The fact of the matter is that I tussle intellectually with our good friends on the right on these boards because it AMUSES ME. Actually I take that back. Doofy pissed me off one time with a personal attack and I leveled one right back at him. I got myself a warning from a Mod for that one ... my first ever BTW. I imagine he got one too. But other than that ... me getting "upset" by any of my conservative compatriots on these boards or this pathetic little strawman argument of yours? Not so much.

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Given the FACT that I have NO reason to trust and MULTIPLE reasons to distrust people who have EVERYTHING to gain from a false accusation of this type, I could care less about his background.

They have lied to us about virtually everything else and the continued and constant playing of the race card gets tiresome - especially in light of the COMPLETE lack of corroboration.
And just what "people" would that be? Who exactly is "they"? What does Rep. Cleaver have to gain from such a false accusation? I mean ... seriously. This benefits him how? It certainly isn't putting money in his pocket. Damned sure not going to help him politically considering the demographics of his district. Oh yeah ... he made it all up just to piss you off. Whatever ....

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Hysterics much?

No, IF he made it up (and judging from the overwhelming eivdence - to my mind - he did) he did it to attempt to discredit the Tea Partiers - which has been the line all along. And THAT is what Cleaver and all the Democrats have to gain. Please don't insult my intelligence by pretending that you don't KNOW that.

Gee, Gov. Sanford of SC had a great background and was a great and respected politician until he lied about going to Argentina to see his snook-ums - I didn't believe HIM, either.

Get over yourself.
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No they aren't.
Assumption.
     
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Any time a liberal/black SAYS a racist attack has occurred on them it's news, true or not.
     
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Simple besson3, the event was obviously WIDELY covered by both audio and video, yet NO ONE has any visible or audible proof, so people are simply supposed to believe it happened because of the accusers "background"despite multiple sources of evidence to the contrary and not one stitch in support.

And those anti-war protesters were even MORE ""impressive"huh?

Why are you so quick to defend them? I mean, who cares? If they said something racist they said something racist. If they didn't, they didn't. Either way no major surprises...

And why so quick to be defensive in using the anti-war protestors as a weapon as if that will persuade me of something somehow? Firstly, we are not discussing the anti-war protestors in this thread, and secondly, I never said that they or any protestors are impressive.

Really people, it is pretty sad that somebody can't point out people being stupid without getting into political football and without setting off a whole chorus line of knees jerking away.
     
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Why are you so quick to defend them? I mean, who cares? If they said something racist they said something racist. If they didn't, they didn't. Either way no major surprises...

And why so quick to be defensive in using the anti-war protestors as a weapon as if that will persuade me of something somehow? Firstly, we are not discussing the anti-war protestors in this thread, and secondly, I never said that they or any protestors are impressive.

Really people, it is pretty sad that somebody can't point out people being stupid without getting into political football and without setting off a whole chorus line of knees jerking away.

Very simple, I have personally attended Tea Party events. I am also aware of "provocateurs" pretending to be Tea Party event attendees who attempt to get on camera with all the stereotypes fronted here.

I do not personally know of anyone who has uttered a single racial or sexual epithet - and I was there.
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The entire Democrat membership of the House has been lying about what's in the "healthcare reform"bill for over a year - why should I suddenly think - despite REAMS of evidence to the contrary that they're above lying about this?
I'll take your changing of the subject as your tacit admission that your initial statement regarding who made the claim about being spat upon was factually incorrect. Moving on ....

Originally Posted by Macrobat
Funny, your "well-respected"congressman has a Capital City Police officer RIGHT next to him in the video when it supposedly happens, yet he did NOT get THAT officer to do anything. Instead, he files a complaint with a description later, from his office and then refuses to come downstairs for a positive identification of the suspect, who is then released.
That's your characterization of what happened. What he said was that he declined to press charges.

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You feel free to believe him all you want, and I will feel free to note the COMPLETE lack of evidence - despite THOUSANDS of people trying to find it.
Oh do trust and believe I do. Again, what's the more likely scenario? A few right-wing nutjobs in a huge Tea Party crowd getting a bit "overzealous"? Or three Congressmen, the Capitol Police, the CNN producer, AND the House Republican Leadership all "conspiring" to denounce this "nonexistent" activity?

House Republican leaders criticized the use of slurs against Democratic congressmen by protesters on Capitol Hill Saturday, but they called them isolated incidents that shouldn't overshadow the debate over health care.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, called the incidents "reprehensible" but said on NBC's Meet the Press "let's not let a few isolated incidents get in the way of the fact that millions of Americans are scared to death, and millions of Americans want no part of this growing size of government."
"Nobody condones that at all," said House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R- Virginia. on ABC's "This Week." "There were 30,000 people here in Washington yesterday. And, yes, there were some very awful things said."
Andrew Langer, the president of one of the groups that sponsored Saturday's protest, issued a statement Sunday condemning the incidents. "The Institute for Liberty roundly condemns the isolated incidents of intolerance that occurred … As a core value, the Tea Party movement believes in the precept upon which our independence was declared and this nation was founded: that all men are created equal."

Yeah. All these guys were "in on the plot" too it seems!

Finally .....

As demonstrators gathered outside the Capitol Sunday to rally against the bill, one held a sign saying, "All tea partiers: If you hear a racial slur, step away, point, boo and take a picture of the rat bastard."
Actually ... that's very encouraging. But at the same time it's quite disheartening that such incidents are enough of an issue in the Tea Party crowd that someone felt compelled to actually do it.

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No, IF he made it up (and judging from the overwhelming eivdence - to my mind - he did) he did it to attempt to discredit the Tea Partiers - which has been the line all along. And THAT is what Cleaver and all the Democrats have to gain. Please don't insult my intelligence by pretending that you don't KNOW that.
Actually, the Tea Partiers seem to be doing a bang up job of that all on their own. As the video in the OP made abundantly clear.

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